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HighHarles
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What's in your substrate?
#26395323 - 12/22/19 10:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know the majority of people tend to stick to straight coir for their subs. My last run (first remarkebly succesful) comprised of coir n verm. The time prior to that I was using black kow. The myc seemed to adore it until it fell victim to a contam n turned into a salvage tub.
What hasn't worked for you, and what led you to choose alts? What's working for you know, and what characteristics make it preferable?
How efficient were those methods? Time took to prep, rate of colonization, as well as myc and fruit health. I love "why" statements and explanation of action.
All input is taken into consideration and will be greatly appreciated! Don't hesitate to share your wisdom
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AyePlus
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: HighHarles]
#26395388 - 12/22/19 10:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coir and sometimes verm.
Easy, cheap, and did I mention easy? Stores well, just add hot water from the tap and spawn it a few hours later, Cost me 10$ for a 10lb block at the hydro store, makes ~7 monos, add 5βgallons hot water and store in a tote, mix and adjust with verm or water, use as needed.
Why use anything else unless its easier or cheaper?
Pasteurization is a chore and playing with poop can get messy. If I couldn't get coir or free horse manure, Iβd probably use straw and worm castings, or a manure based compost but yeah why bother if you can get coco
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Aegis
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: AyePlus]
#26395445 - 12/22/19 11:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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H-poo & verm. Sometimes H-poo/coir/verm when I'm low on poo and the weather is too crappy to collect more poo. I dislike coir. I dont like breaking it up or hydrating an entire brick and dealing with storing the extra hydrated coir. With straight H-poo i hydrate what I need and only have dry substrate to store.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: Aegis]
#26395453 - 12/22/19 11:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coir / Verm for me. I've done straight coir before for a while but maintaining surface conditions was more challenging than when I added verm.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: Psicomb]
#26395477 - 12/22/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that its easy (especially when your still fairly new) to get sucked into the idea that there are additives to substrate that can dramatically improve the quality of a grow. Keep in mind that most of the nutrition in a cubensis grow comes from the grain. And most of the moisture and structure comes from the substrate.
IMO keep the sub as simple as possible. Coir or verm does the job well, and is pretty hard to screw up. Ill take a "Just add water" sub recipe any day of the week.
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newtomyc
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Coir with verm but only if my coir is over hydrated.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: newtomyc] 1
#26395513 - 12/22/19 12:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coir and verm. I have better results and a better pinset than when using just coir (plenty of people have great results with just coir, but not me...). For my past outdoor bulk grows, I've had enormous success with hpoo and straw in my kiddie pools.
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HighHarles
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In reference to the quality of spawn. I had information passed down that wheat(maybe oat) bran worked well as an additive for someone a little more well rooted than I. Saying his weight was a lot bulkier even after dehydration. They swore their success to it. I havent found any information on it so it's just another one of those personal "trade secrets" that might just be all hype. Should I focus on expirementing with these types of ideas to produce the highest yield. I know yield fruit size health etc is based on genetics but we must give them the best environment to unleash their full potential.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: HighHarles]
#26396517 - 12/22/19 10:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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coir and verm as needed to dial in field capacity.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: HighHarles]
#26396527 - 12/22/19 10:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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HighHarles said: In reference to the quality of spawn. I had information passed down that wheat(maybe oat) bran worked well as an additive for someone a little more well rooted than I. Saying his weight was a lot bulkier even after dehydration. They swore their success to it. I havent found any information on it so it's just another one of those personal "trade secrets" that might just be all hype. Should I focus on expirementing with these types of ideas to produce the highest yield. I know yield fruit size health etc is based on genetics but we must give them the best environment to unleash their full potential.
Bran is the most nutritious thing we have around but nutrition has a tipping point. There certainly can be too much of it
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HighHarles
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: cronicr]
#26397253 - 12/23/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So find the goldilocks zone for the perfect tease?
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: HighHarles]
#26397268 - 12/23/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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coir verm gypsum as per Spitballjedi. however, I just add the hottest tap water to hydrate no pasteurization. easy peasy!
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: Haywire]
#26397324 - 12/23/19 12:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Haywire said: coir verm gypsum as per Spitballjedi.
Same. 
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: BLINKfan420]
#26397439 - 12/23/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I donβt know about you all but my sub has magic In it and I sell it for 1 million dollars an ounce of magical substrate. All natural 100% organic. 
If itβs cubes they eat just about any substrate. Iβve done everything from strawnet, horse plop , cow plop, various bagged composts at Home Depot, fuel pellets, recycled newspaper cat litter, straw, cat litter Pellets, coir ect. It all works well you just have to get used to whatever sub you are using because they all may work a little different.
I think most people use coir because it is easy to prep and doesnβt require pasteurization or boiling. Its the easiest sub to use other than straight up black cow out of the bag. Iβve seen better yield with other subs but itβs fairly idiot proof.
Edited by eatyualive (12/23/19 01:20 PM)
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: eatyualive]
#26397530 - 12/23/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol my sub has Leaves Egg shells Grass clippings coffee grounds fish fertilizer Urine Fermented fruit and yeast mash Beer mash Rotted tomatoes Potato peels Onion stalks Various plant stocks Shredded paper Mulched sticks and branches Coir Spent substrate and grains Peat moss Planter soil Manure And many other things All mixed together and composted in my back yard then properly pasteurized. It's works but no better than coir and verm.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: Haywire]
#26397606 - 12/23/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I couldn't get away with the warm water. Every tub I did it that way had trich. Went back to boil and things were fine. Not sure if it was shitty coir or shitty water - our water isn't the best and I have to boil it before using it for misting.
Used to use just coir but started using verm too. My normal area is right under a window AC unit with a box fan blowing away from the AC so it sucks up water quickly if I leave the lid off too long. Verm just gives me a little boost in water retention. Moved to a closet during winter to control the heat. Can't use the closet during hotter months because it gets over 80 in the closet. Wish I could but the AC isn't strong enough and the window isn't big enough to house a larger unit.
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BLINKfan420
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Jive Ass Turkey said: I couldn't get away with the warm water. Every tub I did it that way had trich. Went back to boil and things were fine. Not sure if it was shitty coir or shitty water - our water isn't the best and I have to boil it before using it for misting.
I'm too paranoid so I hydrate my coir then load it into quart jars and PC it at 15 psi for 1h 30min. Fuck it.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: BLINKfan420]
#26400325 - 12/25/19 10:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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About 60% coir, 40% hpoo, casing layer, coir and a little verm. Or 100% hpoo and case it with coir mixed with a little verm. I own horses and work in the horse industry, so I have an unlimited supply of hpoo.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: Antigov]
#26400335 - 12/25/19 10:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just coir.
I do bucket Tek most always. But two shoeboxes are not pasteurized. I just used hot tap water. They are knotting up and forming pins. No trich from coir yet. Only my bacterial spawn trichs out around first flush.
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Re: What's in your substrate? [Re: Antigov] 1
#26400391 - 12/25/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Antigov said: About 60% coir, 40% hpoo, casing layer, coir and a little verm. Or 100% hpoo and case it with coir mixed with a little verm. I own horses and work in the horse industry, so I have an unlimited supply of hpoo.
Sweet !!!
I use General Hydroponics 10lb block. Just chip away until I have my weight I want And go from there.
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