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Is this potentially Cubensis??
#26395689 - 12/22/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi there,
Is this potentially Cubensis??
I took this dun from a farm paddock in northern NSW and started watering it in my backyard since the heat and humidity has increased. I don't want to pick it yet. It has black gills. I'll check spore print and bruising when I pick it.
Thanks, Goldtopper
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26395709 - 12/22/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks more like a Panaeolus species. Let it mature a bit, but not too much, before you pick it and take gill shots and a spore print.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish] 2
#26395753 - 12/22/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's a Panaeolus antillarum
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26396036 - 12/22/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the reply.
Panaeolus cyanescens perhaps? I will take more pics after I have picked it.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26396093 - 12/22/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GoldTopper said: Panaeolus cyanescens perhaps?
In my experience, the striate stem speaks against P. cyanescens.
I don't think this is an active Panaeolus, and Doc9151's suggestion is convincing.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26396177 - 12/22/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said: It's a Panaeolus antillarum
What he said..^^^
This is pan cyan
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26396237 - 12/22/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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zerokool said:
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Doc9151 said: It's a Panaeolus antillarum
What he said..^^^
This is pan cyan

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Doc9151 said: It's a Panaeolus antillarum
Are they commonly found in Australia?
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26396260 - 12/22/19 07:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep..if uve found panaeolus growing in dung chances are you'll eventually run into some cyans..they will bruise blue
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
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GoldTopper said: Are they commonly found in Australia?
As far as I know, being a subtropical species, they are more common in the northern parts of NSW towards the border of QLD, apparently more so in the coastal regions. Where Psilocybe cubensis occurs, you should also have chances finding Panaeolus cyanescens.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26396565 - 12/23/19 12:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So to be clear, Panaeolus antillarum are common in Australia?
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper] 1
#26396682 - 12/23/19 01:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GoldTopper said: So to be clear, Panaeolus antillarum are common in Australia?
It occurs there, according to this link. It is a quite common dung lover many places in the world.
Note that a low number of finds is more likely to indicate lack of interest (or number of active mycologists) in a given area, than actually indicate a rare species. Even P. foenisecii was once said to be rare, but probably just went under the radar due to its apparent insignificance.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26396726 - 12/23/19 03:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You guys were spot on! Brown bruising not blue, black spore print not purple.
It doesn't bother me that it's not active. I'm becoming interested in all types now as I learn more.
Thanks so much for the advice!
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26396757 - 12/23/19 04:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking at your new pictures, I see that this is Panaeolus papilionaceus due to the obvious partial veil remnants on the cap margin, which is a distinct feature of that species. Not surprising, since this is perhaps the most common species of Panaeolus in the world.
Is it the same specimen as the picture in your first post? They look quite different.
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GoldTopper said: It doesn't bother me that it's not active. I'm becoming interested in all types now as I learn more.
This counts for many if not most of the regulars on this forum. It's a consuming and gratifying hobby indeed!
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26397214 - 12/23/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery, pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26400497 - 12/25/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery, pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.
I found plenty of these yesterday although they only bruise brown. They are different to my first post but are most likely Panaeolus variety.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26400603 - 12/25/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GoldTopper said:
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Doc9151 said: Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery, pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.
I found plenty of these yesterday although they only bruise brown. They are different to my first post but are most likely Panaeolus variety.

That is an inactive mushroom named Panaeolus antillarum
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26400757 - 12/25/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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GoldTopper said:
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Doc9151 said: Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery, pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.
I found plenty of these yesterday although they only bruise brown. They are different to my first post but are most likely Panaeolus variety.

That is an inactive mushroom named Panaeolus antillarum
Thanks doc.
Similar in appearance to P.Cyanescens. I'm sure antillarum have been consumed in error when hunting for actives specimens. Atleast they are not poisonous.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26400892 - 12/25/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Photos in my signature are panaeolus cyanescens
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26461415 - 01/31/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi again,
Could I please get an ID on these? I'm pretty sure they are cubensis but I can't bruise the stems or get spore prints because they were a bit old and in bad condition when I found them.
They were found in a cow paddock on the Mid North Coast of NSW Australia.
Any help with this would be really appreciated!
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26461420 - 01/31/20 02:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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And more..

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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26461455 - 01/31/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Toxic Chlorophyllum molybdites. You should toss those in the bushes I took a bite and was sick for 6 hours. Like extreme vertigo and feeling dehydrated kinda thing. Others report this as most common cause of hospitalization
There is also Irish folklore that says those green-spored false parasol are curse and haunted by the Fae
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
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GoldTopper said: Hi again,
Could I please get an ID on these? I'm pretty sure they are cubensis but I can't bruise the stems or get spore prints because they were a bit old and in bad condition when I found them.
They were found in a cow paddock on the Mid North Coast of NSW Australia.
Any help with this would be really appreciated!

This is either a Chlorophyllum species or a Lepiota, do not eat them.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Katz 206]
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Katz 206 said: Parasol
You have to be careful when trying to identify dried or old mushrooms,
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26461837 - 01/31/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26462152 - 01/31/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Much appreciated for the advice guys!
I would not consume unless I had positive IDs from experts like yourselves.
I'm desperate to find some healthy cubes but the lack of rain is a real issue.
I'll keep hunting though. Rain is due next week so I'll give it another crack.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26462173 - 01/31/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes be careful because I didn’t even misidentify one and I took a small bite once after dropping one on the ground. Something about those are kind of tempting in their own way but totally not worth it. So much risk. A very small amount is horrible
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26462236 - 01/31/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cheers!
This forum is a community service. We are very lucky to have it. Psychedelic experimentation is on the rise globally and this forum should be known to anyone who lacks experience.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26462840 - 01/31/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nope
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26462911 - 01/31/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry Mistakenly posted here
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Zifozonke]
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They look more like Chlorophyllum molybdites which are highly toxic were they growing out of the dung itself or out of grass or hay? Definitely don't ingest them
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#26479536 - 02/11/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Finally!
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
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Briliant looking specimens, nice find!
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
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Briliant looking specimens, nice find! 
Thanks Anglerfish. I'm stoked! Now I have the all important spore prints that I've been trying to get my hands on.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
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Those are definitely some prestine specimens nice find man, enjoy!
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Those are definitely some prestine specimens nice find man, enjoy!
Yep, like prototypes.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
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Could I get a confirmation that I have Cubensis again here please?
The weather here is very wet. This specimen looks pretty weathered and wet.
The stem turned blue when I cut it ready for a spore print.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
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GoldTopper said: Could I get a confirmation that I have Cubensis again here please?
The weather here is very wet. This specimen looks pretty weathered and wet.
The stem turned blue when I cut it ready for a spore print.
Thanks, Goldtopper

yes, Psilocybe cubensis
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
#26481255 - 02/12/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks Doc. Obvious I know but I just wanted to be absolutely sure.
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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
#26481529 - 02/12/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I understand, it's really easy to tell when you have a cubensis. They will: A) Growing from dung directly or in well manured soil.
B) have a purplish to purple black spore print
C) bruising bluish or bluish- green where handled or injured.
D) annulus (ring on stem) may or may not be present. will fall off with wind and rain.
E) when looking at the cap surface with a hand lens, the cap will be bald/smooth. It may look like it has fine hairs to the naked eye but when looking at it with the hand lens you will see it's actually smooth and bald, hence the name: psilo= bald cybe= head
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