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laughingdog
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MarkostheGnostic said: Science is a methodology that is applicable to physical phenomena, not ... consciousness. .... But I do not equate mind with matter, and science has nothing pertinent to say about mind because being non-physical it can not be quantified.
Seems you are using your mind ( in a way that is supposed to be rational & logical, or in other words scientific,) to proclaim that the mind is not to be understood by science or rationality.
I think you contradict yourself
Edited by laughingdog (01/08/20 04:45 PM)
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
#26423480 - 01/08/20 07:17 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Sorry, but most religious texts are the result of mental illness I would guess. Buddha wasn't crazy I don't think, but he never wrote his stuff down...other people did. It's mostly a hodgepodge of tribalistic hate and it encourages bloodshed.
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"Dumb All Over"
Whoever we are Wherever we're from We shoulda noticed by now Our behavior is dumb And if our chances Expect to improve It's gonna take a lot more Than tryin' to remove The other race Or the other whatever From the face Of the planet altogether They call it THE EARTH Which is a dumb kinda name But they named it right 'Cause we behave the same... We are dumb all over Dumb all over, Yes we are Dumb all over, Near'n far Dumb all over Black 'n white People, we is not wrapped tight Nurds on the left Nurds on the right Religious fanatics On the air every night Sayin' the Bible Tells the story Makes the details Sound real gory 'Bout what to do If the geeks over there Don't believe in the book We got over here You can't run a race Without no feet 'N pretty soon There won't be no street For dummies to jog on Or doggies to dog on Religious fanatics Can make it be all gone (I mean it won't blow up 'N disappear It'll just look ugly For a thousand years...) You can't run a country By a book of religion Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon Of foolish rules Of ancient date Designed to make You all feel great While you fold, spindle And mutilate Those unbelievers From a neighboring state TO ARMS! TO ARMS! Hooray! That's great Two legs ain't bad Unless there's a crate They ship the parts To mama in For souvenirs: two ears (Get down!) Not his, not hers (but what the hey?) The Good Book says: "It's gotta be that way!" But their book says: "REVENGE THE CRUSADES... With whips 'n chains 'N hand grenades..." TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS? Have another and another Our Cod says: "There ain't no other!" Our Cod says "It's all okay!" Our God says "This is the way!" It says in the book: "Burn 'n destroy... 'N repent, 'n redeem 'N revenge, 'n deploy 'N rumble thee forth To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side 'Cause they don't go for what's in the book 'N that makes 'em BAD So verily we must choppeth them up And stompeth them down Or rent a nice French bomb To poof them out of existence While leaving their real estate just where we need it To use again For temples in which to praise OURGOD ("Cause he can really take care of business!") And when his humble TV servant With humble white hair And humble glasses And a nice brown suit And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls Tells us our God says It's okay to do this stuff Then we gotta do it, 'Cause if we don't do it, We ain't gwine up to hebbin! (Depending on which book you're using at the time... Can't use theirs...it don't work...it's all lies... Gotta use mine...) Ain't that right? That's what they say Every night... Everyday... Hey, we can't really be dumb If we're just following God's Orders Hey, let's get serious... God knows what he's doin' He wrote this book here An'the book says: He made us all to be just like Him," so... If we're dumb... Then God is dumb... (An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)
-- Frank Zappa
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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laughingdog
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#26423517 - 01/08/20 07:40 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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I suppose one could differentiate between religion & mysticism. One might say as many have, that religion attempts to answer the big questions. So we get creation myths and stories of some "god" telling us all what to do forever. Everything gets explained, at least at a simple enough level, for those incapable of critical thinking. That these myths and stories all differ is amusing, but overlooked by those who say 'all religions at heart teach the same thing'.
"Mysticism" on the other hand could be said to be those teachings that deny that any conceptual formula is ultimately of any real help, without a deep experience that most certainly cannot be put into words in a really meaningful way. Thus, for example, both 'nirvana' and 'the Tao' are said to be beyond definition. And experiencing meditation, not adhering strictly to dogma is the vehicle used, to 'attain the goal'.
Perhaps this is slightly more nuanced way of looking at the matter than Zappa's strident dismissal.
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