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Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is
#26394595 - 12/21/19 08:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I reckon people think a Gut Feeling is magical. Intuition ... instincts... shit like that.
But its definitely not.
We have skills that we can define.... and skills that we cant define. The ones we cant define are just not honed enough.... but they are still skills.
So when you get that gut feeling whats happening is your skills are being utilized in a vague form. You have all these experiences that are trying to educate you for more informed decisions.... and they are leaning you in particular directions and thats whats making it feel "right".
Iunno.... particular nuance I think people are missing.
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Maybe gut feeling was named that because when we have intuition a lot of serotonin is flowing and some hits the serotonin receptors in the stomach. I don't know what parts of the brain are activated during intuition but I have a gut feeling serotonin is heavily involved.
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Re: Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is [Re: sk8fast]
#26394825 - 12/22/19 12:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It’s like a gestalt of various things we pick up from our environment, filtered through past experiences, evolutionary fears and proclivities, etc. It’s all processed unconsciously but we get an impression which emerges out of this information processing. It can be wrong sometimes for sure.
Then there’s “social intelligence” which varies from person to person. Assuming that we’re all working with the same equipment biologically, that the experience of receiving certain signals or impressions is relatively similar from person to person, then what we call social intelligence is a measure of accuracy.
People low in social intelligence probably receive and experience the same signals and impressions as anyone else, but these are not on the mark and they’ll likely experience some degree of unnecessary drama and emotional pain as a result of their confusion. The qualitative experience that they have of their “hunches” and “intuition” is likely the exact same as a sage.
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Re: Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is [Re: CountHTML]
#26394850 - 12/22/19 12:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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CountHTML said: It’s like a gestalt of various things we pick up from our environment, filtered through past experiences, evolutionary fears and proclivities, etc. It’s all processed unconsciously but we get an impression which emerges out of this information processing. It can be wrong sometimes for sure.
Then there’s “social intelligence” which varies from person to person. Assuming that we’re all working with the same equipment biologically, that the experience of receiving certain signals or impressions is relatively similar from person to person, then what we call social intelligence is a measure of accuracy.
People low in social intelligence probably receive and experience the same signals and impressions as anyone else, but these are not on the mark and they’ll likely experience some degree of unnecessary drama and emotional pain as a result of their confusion. The qualitative experience that they have of their “hunches” and “intuition” is likely the exact same as a sage.
Yeah thats what I was sayin.
I've been pondering the core concept and using this "gut feeling" as a specific example of it.
Wondering how we can locate these factors that our subconscious uses and hone them into precision tools. Other than just more experience / data for our subconscious.
I feel like I am making no sense when I talk about this thing that I've been thinking about for the last week. Lol. My understanding is stronger than my ability to convey.
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Sometimes the feeling hits before the thought. This can cause alarm and affect the thoughts in an irrational way... but the original feeling does generally have a rational corresponding thought. I suppose it's an instinctive response where immediate action can be more useful than pondering, though in practice it can be problematic.
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Re: Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is [Re: sk8fast]
#26395134 - 12/22/19 08:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's also interesting how the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems work together.
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I think a "gut feeling" is often rooted in perceptions and cognitive data we are not consciously aware of.
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Re: Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is [Re: Rahz]
#26396123 - 12/22/19 06:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rahz said: Sometimes the feeling hits before the thought. This can cause alarm and affect the thoughts in an irrational way... but the original feeling does generally have a rational corresponding thought. I suppose it's an instinctive response where immediate action can be more useful than pondering, though in practice it can be problematic.
the gut feeling is the thought… the situation is sensed by the person, then relevant perceptions sift in the mind (some people call it the subconscious) and sometimes the result is "an idea" "a phrase" "an impulse to move or speak" "or a gut feeling"
the situational stimulus resemble experiences with gut feelings from the past either twisting, tightening or releasing. this kind of memory is similar to remembering a relevant phrase, just physical - not verbal.
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Re: Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is [Re: redgreenvines]
#26400747 - 12/25/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The human gut is lined with more than 100 million nerve cells and has a direct connection to our brain and is responsible controlling hormones and recently suggested to be directly effecting peoples moods.
It is practically a brain unto itself. Evolutionary biologists call it our, "first brain". So far we know we have 3 brains in our heads and recently one in our gut.
Take random migraine headaches for example. Most are caused by minor allergic reactions in the gut and if you get a migraine and ate something that you normally don't eat in the last 24 hours; it will most likely be related what you put in your stomach that triggered the response.
If I eat a subway steak and cheese with their pepperjack cheese instead of american, I get a severe migraine the next day like clock work. After reading a paper about the discovery between the gut and the brain and how most migraines are found to be gut related; it was easy to see how I was getting migraines every monday after switching to pepperjack instead of american on sundays. I can eat pepper jack just fine all day by it's self but what ever is in the steak meat combined with pepper jack sets off an electrical storm from hell in my brain the next day.
As far as gut feelings go, I cannot recall anytime that I didn't listen to it and didn't regret not listening to the ancient brain that's been around thousands of years longer than the one that chooses not to listen. I would assume our gut has a higher instinctual factor through genetic experience, along with millions of different symbiotic bacteria and other life that is passed on from your mother; it would be something one would be wise to not ignore.
I often wonder if we kiss from the burning desire in our stomach unknowingly too exchange bacteria and the sort from body to body.
For all we know, we may just be vehicles subvertently willed by the world inside of us. Like how mycelium communicates and feels out it's environment for food and competitors. Maybe those gut feelings particularly from someone whom you feel has ill intentions toward you or others is a level of communication higher than our second brains understanding; such as the mystery of consciousness.
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Re: Gut Feeling isnt what we think it is [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#26401016 - 12/25/19 10:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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R.I.P.Zappa said: The human gut is lined with more than 100 million nerve cells and has a direct connection to our brain and is responsible controlling hormones and recently suggested to be directly effecting peoples moods.
It is practically a brain unto itself. Evolutionary biologists call it our, "first brain". So far we know we have 3 brains in our heads and recently one in our gut.
Take random migraine headaches for example. Most are caused by minor allergic reactions in the gut and if you get a migraine and ate something that you normally don't eat in the last 24 hours; it will most likely be related what you put in your stomach that triggered the response.
If I eat a subway steak and cheese with their pepperjack cheese instead of american, I get a severe migraine the next day like clock work. After reading a paper about the discovery between the gut and the brain and how most migraines are found to be gut related; it was easy to see how I was getting migraines every monday after switching to pepperjack instead of american on sundays. I can eat pepper jack just fine all day by it's self but what ever is in the steak meat combined with pepper jack sets off an electrical storm from hell in my brain the next day.
As far as gut feelings go, I cannot recall anytime that I didn't listen to it and didn't regret not listening to the ancient brain that's been around thousands of years longer than the one that chooses not to listen. I would assume our gut has a higher instinctual factor through genetic experience, along with millions of different symbiotic bacteria and other life that is passed on from your mother; it would be something one would be wise to not ignore.
I often wonder if we kiss from the burning desire in our stomach unknowingly too exchange bacteria and the sort from body to body.
For all we know, we may just be vehicles subvertently willed by the world inside of us. Like how mycelium communicates and feels out it's environment for food and competitors. Maybe those gut feelings particularly from someone whom you feel has ill intentions toward you or others is a level of communication higher than our second brains understanding; such as the mystery of consciousness.
I think its more like an expression than an actual representation of where we are thinking from. Like I love you with all my heart.
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