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Would you have chosen a different path?
    #26394385 - 12/21/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you could turn back time, back to before you got involved with drugs and their hallowed insanities, would you? Would you choose a different path?

I used to think I wouldn't change a thing, but recently I've been wondering if I've been deluding myself my whole life. Been playing silly games and winning silly prizes. Maybe.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner]
    #26394427 - 12/21/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't do a whole lot of addiction drugs, mostly cannabis.  I should of stayed away from tobacco.

I think it is our attitude halfway.  That is mostly from societies attitudes, nothing is sacred.

I wish I explored meditation more at a young age.  But that was not my family and catholic don't teach deep prayer that meditation can be.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #26394429 - 12/21/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, I’m like the inverse of you.  I used to think that I would’ve chosen a different path in a lot of ways.  I caused a lot of unnecessary pain to people who care(d) about me, a lot of unnecessary pain and trouble to myself.  But somewhere in the past couple years, I realized that it all had to happen exactly as it did for me to be precisely where I am now.  Which is where I feel I’ve ultimately always belonged.  Like the culmination of a bunch of life choices led exactly to this, and even if a lot of those choices were dumb, it all ended up ok so far.  Maybe you’re not happy where you’re at?  That’s when I was thinking I’d have done it different.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Burke Dennings] * 1
    #26394435 - 12/21/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, definitely. But not for my sake so much as for the sake of people I hurt. My parents deserve nothing but love, they are amazing people, but I put them through hell as an adolescent.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: morrowasted]
    #26394495 - 12/21/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs and alcohol are the wrong choice in life.  They just make us feel like they are awesome.  Because that's what they are designed for.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Patlal]
    #26394561 - 12/21/19 07:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure I believe in right and wrong. Such novel and subjective concepts.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Patlal]
    #26394644 - 12/21/19 09:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Drugs and alcohol are the wrong choice in life.  They just make us feel like they are awesome.  Because that's what they are designed for.



Counter argument: We are all dying. Right now. And some of those "drugs" are actually medicine when used correctly...... So :P


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26394647 - 12/21/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Drugs and alcohol are the wrong choice in life.  They just make us feel like they are awesome.  Because that's what they are designed for.



Counter argument: We are all dying. Right now. And some of those "drugs" are actually medicine when used correctly...... So :P




Medecines we use as a replacement for achievements and success


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Patlal]
    #26394648 - 12/21/19 09:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You can succeed and still use medicine.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26394652 - 12/21/19 09:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think we are stuck in a loop. you have no control over it even once you realize it. we've already lived this life. we will live it again. maybe we can change it i just haven't figured that part out yet.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26394830 - 12/22/19 12:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The older I get the more I believe that people who say that they wouldn't change anything are either to prideful to admit they might've done something sub par or too stupid to realize there was better possibilities.

Everyone will admit they've made mistakes. That is basically the same thing as admitting you would have not done said thing if you could do it over again.

Would I be the same person as I am now? Maybe not. But maybe I'd be better than I am now.

Being happy with who I am =\= believing I am the best possible form of myself that could exist


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: metalfaith] * 1
    #26395011 - 12/22/19 06:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My excesses have been great teachers, and a pretty fun ride along the way. The fun has been outweighed by the misery it led to, and left physical damage, but still nothing I'd regret.

The one thing I got from it all is a contentment that happiness just wont be found in material things or pleasure seeking, pretty basic concept but enormously freeing when you have that first hand knowledge and experience.

On the downside, most casual conversation I encounter seems to be focused around things that I no longer have interest in, or is accompanied by booze/hard drugs, so it's been much harder to find genuine friendship.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: metalfaith]
    #26395144 - 12/22/19 08:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The older I get the more I believe that people who say that they wouldn't change anything are either to prideful to admit they might've done something sub par or too stupid to realize there was better possibilities.



I don't think that's a fair assumption on your part - seems more like a projection onto others of your own personal realisations - because what's so bad about appreciating who you are and what you've been through?

Perhaps others don't wish to choose to perform the many thought experiments required to consider what might have changed and what impact it could have? Perhaps some really don't know what it is to live in regret?

And admitting making a mistake is in NO way comparable to 'admitting you would have not done said thing if you could do it over again'. Cause then it wouldn't be a mistake. And then it would not cause personal growth.

Mistakes are valuable. Fuck ups and pain and bad decisions and hurting people without meaning to and then feeling oneself hurting... these are all required for growth. I'm glad I fucked up so many times. It made me, me.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26395150 - 12/22/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would of grown more cannabis before getting a record for just protecting that.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner]
    #26395155 - 12/22/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Like with drugs? Oh probably. They say you shouldn't smoke weed before 25 and I resemble all the things that are supposed to happen if you do. Though I guess I had a lot of those problems before I ever smoked weed. Combination of a control freak religious upbringing and coming from a long line of crazy people who live in places with miserable weather.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: psi]
    #26395157 - 12/22/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What kinda things are you referring to psi?


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26395167 - 12/22/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Broadly, ADD type stuff and stunted social skills.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: psi]
    #26395179 - 12/22/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When we use drugs that are agonists we develope more receptors and brain cells that the specific drug activates.  A mj smoker will have more cannabinoid receptors, and opiate user will have more opiate receptors, a nicotine user will have more nicotine receptors, so on and so on.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395183 - 12/22/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm, I never heard about that being a potential side effect of early weed use. Just the psychosis type stuff.

Definitely didn't affect me, and I started at fourteen. I probably got off light though.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26395195 - 12/22/19 08:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Weed psychosis is an overhyped exaggerated semi myth from a not very indepth study.

Study concluded that a percentage of people inpatient with psychosis used cannabis prior to being inpatient.

Which is likely since almost the majority of people inpatient used cannabis some point prior in their lives.

There is more evidence or at least as much that inpatient patients were sexually abused as children.  But the media and professionals don't find that as profitable as anti marijuana hysteria.

We could say that sexual abuse as a child leads to psychosis and using cannabis.  That would be much more factual.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395214 - 12/22/19 09:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've experienced, and have known others, personally, that have, psychosis from cannabis use.

That says a lot more to me than any study ever could.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26395223 - 12/22/19 09:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Any more details?

Psychosis is a very vague diagnosis.  It means outside the reality that others perceive.  It doesn't mean it's untrue.  Technically, Jesus and Buddha were psychotic.

In fact if that term existed then, they would of used that over trying to kill them.  It's a much more torturous method.

Cannabis is strong stuff, but people can become psychotic from alcohol or SSRI's just as easily.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26395227 - 12/22/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Any more details?



None that I want to take the time to type out. I just think saying that 'Weed psychosis is an overhyped exaggerated semi myth from a not very indepth study' is a dangerous untruth, given the fact that our mission is to be a 'harm reduction' based community.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26395243 - 12/22/19 09:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Considering the current popular notion that cannabis is a harmless miracle drug and has zero negative effects on mental health, I think it's important to admit there can be negative impacts.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26395250 - 12/22/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well if being high is psychosis

They don't even have a good idea what psychosis is.  The only testable theory is the same since the 1950s, that monoamines are elevated.  The only other theory is weaker, that the brains immune system attacks the brain.

There's probably many causes of psychosis.  I do not find eating too much lsd and smoking strong cannabis the same as someones permanent psychosis.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395256 - 12/22/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Trying to get agreement about psychosis is like trying to define depression. People often claim it's different for everyone.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395267 - 12/22/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It seems like it's very difficult to separate from cultural values. Spend dozens of hours watching youtube conspiracy videos and blazing weed, and then open up to your friendly health care professional about what's on your mind. If the ideas you devote your time to absorbing are ones that sound crazy in our culture, talking about them will make you sound crazy.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26395275 - 12/22/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There are different diagnosis for different psychosis as there are different depression diagnosis.  There's very many estabolished differences.

My statement says that drug induced psychosis is not the same as natural psychosis.  The studies on cannabis psychosis are vastly over played.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: psi] * 1
    #26395280 - 12/22/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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It seems like it's very difficult to separate from cultural values. Spend dozens of hours watching youtube conspiracy videos and blazing weed, and then open up to your friendly health care professional about what's on your mind. If the ideas you devote your time to absorbing are ones that sound crazy in our culture, talking about them will make you sound crazy.






I agree.  Psychiatrist like to think very highly of their view.  They are not open to subculture.  It's more about dominance than medicine.  Going to a psychiatrist always feels bad, they are not usually nice people and consistantly under state the side effects of what the prescribe.

If you have an imagination at all, you are psychotic to them.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395319 - 12/22/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Psychosis is the new hysteria.  Just as hysteria was back in the day, psychosis is today.  Why not?  It's a multibillion dollar market.  Just create new customers with a diagnosis.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26395356 - 12/22/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Cannabis , naturally leads to a perpetual state of stagnation , where procrastination , lack of motivation and poor social skills molds the psyche.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395362 - 12/22/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hysteria (often defined in such ways as "ungovernable emotional excess") is now frequently called "panic attack" or mania bipolar. What used to be called torpor is now called depression.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner]
    #26395364 - 12/22/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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If you could turn back time, back to before you got involved with drugs and their hallowed insanities, would you? Would you choose a different path?

I used to think I wouldn't change a thing, but recently I've been wondering if I've been deluding myself my whole life. Been playing silly games and winning silly prizes. Maybe.





As far as using drugs go, no, i wouldn't change all that.  There are a few other things from that same period of time that i would change, though, one or two of them relating to drugs.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #26395396 - 12/22/19 10:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Im with jsb. I wouldnt change anything. If I did I would be a COMPLETELY different person today.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26395472 - 12/22/19 11:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Hysteria (often defined in such ways as "ungovernable emotional excess") is now frequently called "panic attack" or mania bipolar. What used to be called torpor is now called depression.





You've obviously never experienced psychosis.  Mania is often psychotic, when it's not, it is hypo-mania.  I would think a panic attack is a form of psychosis, as it is removed from reality and in the realm of imagination.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26395532 - 12/22/19 12:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I can see why you would think this was my realization, but it was not. I have always been quick to answer this question with a resounding yes.

Here's the thing - I never said you had to do the literally countless thought experiments. That's not always productive. But just because you didn't do the thought experiment does not mean you can't assume there was at least a dozen things you would redo in the millions to billions of decisions you've made in your life.

I don't also agree just because you would do something different that you automatically regret that.

I am extremely content, that does not equal the same as saying I've never done anything I would redo.

As fo the mistake - I'll think on it. Though I understand you learn, the word literally implies error mis-take. Sure I don't believe I'd redo all the mistakes I've made because I've certainly learned from many - not have I learned from all of them? No


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner]
    #26395555 - 12/22/19 12:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not in a bad way , yes I would change a few things

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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: metalfaith]
    #26395594 - 12/22/19 01:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I am extremely content, that does not equal the same as saying I've never done anything I would redo.



It just strikes me from what you said earlier that because of a realisation you had, that you now feel it applies (objectively?) to all humans.

I dispute that. For, even though I have lived an incredible life, I'm sure there is much I could have done better... But would I have wanted to though? No, and a resounding one at that. For all the shit and the pain and the hurt, I really wouldn't want to have lived my life any differently. I really like the person that I am.

I'm definitely not the only one that feels that way; even if there aren't many that would stand hand on heart to share that sentiment.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395654 - 12/22/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Hysteria (often defined in such ways as "ungovernable emotional excess") is now frequently called "panic attack" or mania bipolar. What used to be called torpor is now called depression.





You've obviously never experienced psychosis.  Mania is often psychotic, when it's not, it is hypo-mania.  I would think a panic attack is a form of psychosis, as it is removed from reality and in the realm of imagination.




When I read the definitions of psychosis, I certainly have. I've had serious difficulties determining what is real and what is not. I've also experienced false beliefs and delusions and have also experienced things other people have not.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26395672 - 12/22/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No. If I could make my mom/parents make better choices, yes. But, that would have made my choices different, so in thinking about that further, no. Everything has led me here to this point, and I am the most happy and contented I have ever been, ever! I have the best people around me as well. I'm so happy I could die right now and be OK.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26395715 - 12/22/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think I have experienced it as well. But I have managed never to be diagnosed with psychosis or anything with similar stigma by not running my mouth to any doctors. Paranoia that has protected me in a certain way through my life. I learned as a kid not to really trust social workers, psychologists and psychiatrists.

There was one occasion a few years ago where police made me go to the hospital (took the ambulance ride option, if refused it would be the cop car). At the hospital they made me take an Ativan and in an hour or two they let me go. I'm sure if I had been visibly flipping out and trying to get out it would have been a different story.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner]
    #26395740 - 12/22/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: psi]
    #26395751 - 12/22/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Trust me, if it was real psychosis you wouldn't be able to stay on any path of than the crooked road of psychosis.

Sounds like side effects from drugs.  That's usually very mild and survivable than actually having real problems.

Psychosis is a very weak state, it's often one of vulnerable terror.  There is nothing to hold onto and there can be a lot of perceived and projected hostility.

In my experience it's very much when EVERYTHING goes wrong and everyone rubs you the wrong way.  But I had more peaceful times as well.

Yet I do see a lot of things among psychedelic users that a doctor would find to be psychotic like.  Strange beliefs, unusual behavior diet and dress, as well as abnormal life style in general.

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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395864 - 12/22/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have experienced it a couple of times naturally in my life. It is hard to explain for sure.


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    #26395925 - 12/22/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's a natural disintegration of the mind.


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    #26395929 - 12/22/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Trust me, if it was real psychosis you wouldn't be able to stay on any path of than the crooked road of psychosis.

Sounds like side effects from drugs.  That's usually very mild and survivable than actually having real problems.




That occasion was not the worst I have been, but the closest I have been to getting fucked with some kind of a diagnosis because I was made to go to the hospital. "Actually having real problems," come on man. You know nothing of my problems.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: psi]
    #26395935 - 12/22/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Where you on illegal drugs?

Or a bad reaction to legal drugs?

I often find it's the sobriety that's the real problem, rarely the drug but sometimes.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395939 - 12/22/19 04:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I was smoking weed around that time. But not that day I don't think.

Anyway my point in bringing that up was just about mostly staying under the radar of doctors other than that. Not that it was an especially paranoid moment in my life. I've seen someone get shot, I've been tied up in a robbery, I know a thing or two about being anxious and paranoid for month on end, fearing and hating neighbors, etc. And yes during those most paranoid times I was smoking weed too.


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    #26395993 - 12/22/19 05:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I often find it's the sobriety that's the real problem, rarely the drug but sometimes.




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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Northerner]
    #26396445 - 12/22/19 09:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Looking back, I've said and done alot of things that I regret, but I have learned from most of them. Drug and alcohol use...hmmm  naa I don't think I would change that but I may be deluled.🤷


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    #26396572 - 12/23/19 12:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would alter how I spent my early 20's. Not necessarily saying I would not choose to do any drugs. However I am just now achieving a level of professional and personal "success" where I feel satisfied with myself. Reflecting on things I realize I could have had this much sooner if I weren't partying so hard back then.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: HarperLewis]
    #26396577 - 12/23/19 12:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: being "professional" is such a joke. I'll be glad I never achieve that. Its my goal.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #26397164 - 12/23/19 10:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Probably not.

I feel like my life experiences would have probably been a lot more dull had it not been for the drugs I've tried in my life and the decisions I've made based on the use of those drugs.

Before I smoked weed and did drugs in HS I was a pretty different person. I was shy, conservative, closed off, and not very social at all. After I started smoking weed and doing psychs I began to go out and hang out with people more and we'd bond over smoking and I felt like I became a different person as a result from using drugs. Not like on some super deep spiritual level type of bullshit, but like I just started being more social and chill instead of the quite conservative kind of kid and I'll always thank drugs I guess for taking me out of that and enabling me to become more social.

However if I had never done drugs there is a good chance I also would have never met a bunch of people that I had met through things like festivals and shows (which I started going to as a result of taking drugs) and I feel like if I had never met those people life would have maybe been better.

I dated this junkie girl whom I met at a festival and she made my life miserable. She caused me to spiral out of control with ketamine and other drugs and thanks to her it took me a couple of years to get my life back on track.

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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #26397363 - 12/23/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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:lol: being "professional" is such a joke. I'll be glad I never achieve that. Its my goal.





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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: HarperLewis]
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The whole idea of material value is lame. Now a profession you enjoy? I can get behind that :thumbup:


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: HarperLewis]
    #26397374 - 12/23/19 12:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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:lol: being "professional" is such a joke. I'll be glad I never achieve that. Its my goal.





You're right monetary security, and a profession you enjoy are soooo lame.






Must be the motto for a whore house.

Either way money and a profession are temporary.  It's a hustle.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26397419 - 12/23/19 01:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The whole idea of material value is lame. Now a profession you enjoy? I can get behind that :thumbup:




It's not necessarily about material value. Financial security and the ability to save a substantial amount of money allows for freedom that living paycheck to paycheck doesn't allow. Freedom to work a job you want because you aren't relying on that next check, freedom from the stress of how you're going to keep a roof over your head or your kids fed, freedom from the strains that money issues can put on your health and the health of your relationships.

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Must be the motto for a whore house.

Either way money and a profession are temporary.  It's a hustle.




Sex work is real work dude. :wink:

Money and profession are temporary, as is everything else. As such we have a limited time to live the life we want. If I am able to choose to go through this life with some money in my pocket allowing me to explore more of what I want vs scratching out a meager existence every day, I know which one I am going to choose.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: HarperLewis]
    #26397427 - 12/23/19 01:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: HarperLewis]
    #26397455 - 12/23/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That doesn't sound like freedom. Sounds like you are just another cog in the machine.


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #26397467 - 12/23/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone one is no matter how big or small. In trying to be out of "the machine" one is just in another one.:shrug:


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    #26397483 - 12/23/19 01:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I guess. Existence sucks.


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    #26397491 - 12/23/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like you are just another cog in the machine.



I think the sad fact of the matter is that one becomes a cog in the machine the moment one pops ones head into this world and takes a breath.

Sure we can try and carve our own path, but there are certain facts about this existence, such as the fact that one needs to have money to survive, that are inescapable. There's a certain amount of conformity required, even  for the most die hard nonconformist.

I certainly don't think looking down on someone for being a professional or enjoying their career is fair or reasonable.

Why do you think you show such bitterness when someone tells you of their success?

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I guess. Existence sucks.



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    #26397492 - 12/23/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Awww, try to maintain at least, it's the least one can do. I get down too, but then I get down!:grin:


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    #26397500 - 12/23/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There's a certain amount of conformity required, even  for the most die hard nonconformist.

Yep, especially to get to a level of comfort within the "system" for ones own well being. It's subjective.


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    #26397520 - 12/23/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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That doesn't sound like freedom. Sounds like you are just another cog in the machine.



Money can buy freedom, but most people develop more expensive tastes when they get more money so the effect largely cancels out.


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    #26397523 - 12/23/19 01:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well that post wasn't really specifically directed at his success. I was drunk last night and just got triggered by that word. More so referring to the corporate professionalism. It wasn't a personal attack on him. Sorry it may have come across like that.


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    #26397547 - 12/23/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No I get it man. I feel the same way. What makes it even suckier, at least when standing in my shoes, is that I have become one of those 'corporate professionals'. I've sold my soul to the very heart of the beast. And the longer I stay in it the more I wonder if I'll ever be able to get out.

I'm probably just being a drama queen about the whole thing; this lifestyle affords me some privileges which are very sweet and very hard to turn down, and I kinda got sucked into it without realising, but knowing I turned in to a representation of the thing I hate is a shitty feeling.

Thankfully I like myself, and I know my job does not make me who I am, so at least I've that to fall back on.


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    #26397549 - 12/23/19 01:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm probably just being a drama queen about the whole thing;

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    #26397560 - 12/23/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm probably just being a drama queen about the whole thing;




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That doesn't sound like freedom. Sounds like you are just another cog in the machine.




The goal is in fact the exact opposite of that. If you don't take responsibility for your own security in this world you will always be beholden to others.

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    #26397591 - 12/23/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that's true. My bad coming across as a dick. I wasn't trying to belittle your success. 

You guys could probably guess....I'm just in a shit situation right now. I know the only person to blame is myself. But no matter how much I tell myself that I still can't seem to get out of this rut.


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    #26397601 - 12/23/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I know it sounds cliche, but push through, and it will be better.


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    #26397603 - 12/23/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Cooperate professionals really only 'service' each-other.  For the vast majority of people that is only growing in population, being under served is all too common.

It's a system that serves itself, class warfare and all that.  The middle class doesn't even have that much hope in those at the upper middle class that are professionals.

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    #26397619 - 12/23/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah that's true. My bad coming across as a dick. I wasn't trying to belittle your success. 

You guys could probably guess....I'm just in a shit situation right now. I know the only person to blame is myself. But no matter how much I tell myself that I still can't seem to get out of this rut.




No worries man, we all have our ups and downs.

Acknowledging you are unhappy with the way things currently are allows you to work to change that fact. My post was referencing just that. I feel that in a lot of ways I wasted my early 20's and had to spend the last 5 or 6 years digging out of the position I had gotten myself into.

As much as this may sound like the punchline of an after school special, picking a better spot on the horizon and putting one foot in front of the other is all it takes to get there. Some of those steps will be big, and some of them will be minuscule, but they all add up as long as you are consistent in your efforts. You and your actions are capable of changing your life, for the better or for the worse.


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    #26397652 - 12/23/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Cooperate professionals really only 'service' each-other

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    #26397700 - 12/23/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I didn't think that made any sense either, however I thought it better to let sleeping dogs lie on this occasion.


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    #26397727 - 12/23/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think trex was pointing out that it can be taken as a sexual double entendre.


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PSI knows my sense of humour well!:grin: Plus, they put a pun in there, on purpose or not.


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    #26397771 - 12/23/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I did.  For reflection on fault.

It's true however, that professionals are in a class all their own.  Society wasn't developed into a charity.  It's a 'me' society.


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    #26398370 - 12/23/19 10:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not entirely sure i chose the path(s) i've taken.  Sometimes life appears as a giant plinko board and i'm getting bounced around by the pegs ov disposition and syncronicity, falling under the gravitational pull ov expectation.  Free will becomes most apparent when its disconnect with conscious choice is realized.  Evolution often takes a reactionary course regardless ov desirous intention. 

Speaking solely ov drugs, i'm glad ov the experiences.  Perhaps i would discard my mdpv era as being the least valuable, but most everything else, even and especially my term with alcohol addiction, turned to be ultimately useful in realizing myself.  Not that there were'nt acute regrets and shamefulness that i can look back upon with a sharp twist ov the head starboard, but i'm at a point where i can just say "so mote it be".


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: lavod]
    #26398624 - 12/24/19 05:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs have helped me through some tough times. Pharmacuticals and therapy never helped, unless I was abusing the pharma.
I have never made my life revolve around them though.
Would I change it? No!, id maybe do more.
I wouldnt ever get myself into a long term relationship though lol


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Re: Would you have chosen a different path? [Re: Paradoxillusion]
    #26398627 - 12/24/19 05:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Feeling the pile of shit one can be under can make free will a huge burden.  The mind will never solve it's logistical crisis alone.

I feel the path chooses us.  We don't always chose how we respond.  We'd chose a response of calm bliss to everything if that were true.


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