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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Niffla]
    #26391934 - 12/20/19 05:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Eating meat is being an accomplice in murder, theres no way around that, even if you only knew the animal as pre packaged cuts in the supermarket.




Then I guess I'm a murderer.






We all got dirty hands, we're part of a highly destructive system.

In the split second of holding this beautiful animal's head and holding the butchers knife to its neck, the rooster's neck becomes an object that must be severed as fast as possible. In a split second - objectification to get the job done.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26392683 - 12/20/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Does anybody else agree
That killing animals is wrong?






I'm a vegetarian but I have no inherent problem with eating meat, like I do not feel it is inherently wrong to hunt and kill an animal to eat it and make use of its materials.

BUT!...

What I DO have a problem with and what I feel is super fucked up and wrong, is the industry of meat...The environmental impacts of such industry is very wrong, and I do feel it's wrong to have millions upon millions of animals cooped/corralled up through out their entire life just for the sole purpose of being killed and processed into meat.

That's what I feel is wrong and what I have a big issue with.



Too many people are hung up on the silly issue of "is it wrong to kill/eat animals" :rolleyes: , and never really expand their thought to what I consider to be the real issue which is the impact that "eating animals" is having on the planet.

I ask...Is it wrong to destroy millions & millions of acres of pristine forests/land just to grow grain to feed animals? Is it wrong to use billions upon billions of gallons of water to grow that grain to feed the animals? Is it wrong for billions of creatures to spend their entire existence cooped/caged up?

I see things in a holistic way, I see our planet as one single system/organism...and I absolutely feel that growing and eating meat in the masses that is happening is very wrong and detrimental for the planet and "us" ("Us" being all life the resides on this planet).



I don't eat meat not because I feel "it's wrong to kill/eat an animal"...I don't eat meat because the majority of it comes from what I consider to be an absolutely filthy disgusting industry, it's an industry I don't agree with and I feel such industry is detrimental to our planet.

I'll eat small amounts of meat if it was hunted/wild, like if I was at a family members house and they had some venison that they or friend of theirs shot I'll eat a little of it if it's offered during a meal.

But the meat from an animal that spent its entire life in a corral, being fed corn/grain, being shot up with various antibiotics and/or hormones, it's entire life was spent for the sole purpose of being ground down into a "meat product" to stuff the stomachs of humans, an animal which took up hundreds of acres of land to feed and dozens to hundreds of thousands of gallons of water to grow that feed......Nah, I do not want any part of that going into my body/becoming a part of my system and I do not want to support such an industry.



Modern humans are not only totally separated from the kill, but also the animal/consciousness that their plate of flesh came from......Lots of folks in this thread love meat, but I guarantee a handful of you meat eaters don't have the guts to kill and gut out an animal yourself. Seeing the animals eyes, seeing it breathe, pulling the trigger and/or cutting its throat, feeling the warm blood pour down your hands & arms, dismembering and cutting out the guts & innards, snapping joints/bones, butchering it up into nice cuts of meat. I feel some of ya'll couldn't do it at all, and I feel some of ya'll would have a lot of feelings get stirred up about you being the reason the animals life is being taken....

....I feel that a lot of our ancestors actually felt strong feelings for and respect for the animals they hunted/killed and consumed. When modern folks have a pile of flesh on their plate, there is such a major disconnect there. There is no respect or recognition to the animal as being a conscious being, the same exact consciousness that is looking out from your eyes is looking out from it.

I'm a vegetarian and have had a plant based diet mostly for a few years now....but I don't have a problem with hunting and killing and gutting out an animal that I killed myself. I'll eat small amounts of meat from an animal that I hunted/killed myself, or from an animal that was raised/hunted & killed by a friend or family member if it's a special occasion/holiday.

But industrial meat from the store, that garbage will never go into my system and will never become a part of "me" ever again.






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Yeah sure, killing animals is wrong, but I like meat a lot and probably couldn't live without it. One day, humanity should give up the killing and eating of animals, but we're still really primitive and I think that's a lot way off. I admire anyone who can give up meat. I think that's a very moral and admirable thing to do, but I never could. And let me just say that as much as I love deer, venison is just about the most delicious thing I have ever tasted.


But since we've got this wonderful manufacturing and distribution system where beautiful meat just shows up in meat form in the supermarket...





I don't think the problem is that we're still "primitive"....Well, primitive maybe in regards to how we haven't "grown up" and evolved passed our urges/cravings.

The problem is a lot of people are straight up addicted to meat. People are so stuck in their ways and their habits, they think that meat is something that needs to be consumed with every single meal every single day. It's ridiculous and not necessary at all. When I stopped eating meat completely I realized how much of an actual "addiction" meat eating was even for me....Meat is not something that we need to live (at least not with every meal and every day), the growing/production of such is detrimental to our planet, and yet people still go on with "but I could never give it up". I call that an addiction, at the very least it is a bad habit that people don't think twice about.


Most people in our society are too big of a pussy to kill and gut and butcher up an animal themselves (either can't to it because they're grossed out and/or can't do it because they all of a sudden have "feelings and emotions" for the life they're going to take) , but they have no problem stuffing their face with burgers or chicken nuggets with out any thought to what it is they're consuming and how it made it onto their plate :rolleyes: . Majority of people these days don't even recognize meat as something that was once a conscious living thing. They just see a "product".


And it's not a wonderful system from my eyes, it's actually a system that is quite detrimental to our planet. I don't consider the meat at the super market to be beautiful in any way. Most meat in stores doesn't even have any true "natural" color, they add coloring to the meat to make it look like it does :rolleyes: . When looking at the meat section of a grocery store, I see nothing but destruction and a tremendous misuse of resources and many lives that spent their entire existence caged up.




I feel folks are also way WAAAAY way too black & white...For some reason it seems like people have this view point that they have to give up meat entirely or continue to be a meat eater, as if there is no other possible way...It is possible to just eat less meat.....People should at least put effort into eating less meat, not having it with every meal and not having it every day. Make it into like an every other day thing, or just once or twice a week, or once or twice a month, or only for special occasions/holidays.





/ramble lol.




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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: openmind] * 1
    #26392706 - 12/20/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing wrong with getting your meat like this IMO. Brings tears to my eyes to watch this:


Skip to 4:55 for the beautiful part.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: openmind]
    #26392719 - 12/20/19 04:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

....and for those of you that go on about something along the lines of, "well what about killing plants to eat, isn't that cruel to the plants?"...or something like "one needs to kill/destroy to eat and survive, even plants".


Nah...A lot of plants live their life and produce fruits specifically so animals consume them, and a lot of plants do not need to be destroyed and killed to be consumed.


When I pick a strawberry I don't rip the entire plant out of the ground, the plant is still alive. Same in regards to all types of berries....When I pick a tomato I don't have to kill the plant. When I pick an orange I don't cut the entire tree down. When I pull a sweet potato out of the ground, a portion of it can go right back into the ground and the plant grows back. When I pick a cob of corn, the corn plant is at the end of its life anyways. When grain is harvested, the plant is at the ends of its life. When I harvest peppers, the plant is still alive.

When I harvest almonds or apples or walnuts or plums I don't have to kill the tree. When I pick edible mushrooms, the mycelium is still intact in the forest floor/substrate. When I harvest sunflower seeds the plant has already lived it's life. When I pick beans off a plant, I don't need to kill the plant to get the beans. When I pick a melon, the fruit is slipping off the vine and the plant is almost at the end of its life. I don't kill an avocado tree just for an avocado....etc etc etc etc.



Many plants "want" and need animals to eat them....A lot of plants pretty much "give themselves" to us, some plants are basically begging us to eat them/their fruits/seeds.


Though I suppose I did "kill" the carrots I grew and ate last spring. Since they were pulled and consumed before they bolted and produced seed/finishing their life cycle lol...but many plants do not need to be killed or destroyed to be used/consumed.




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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: openmind] * 1
    #26392728 - 12/20/19 04:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I guarantee a handful of you meat eaters don't have the guts to kill and gut out an animal yourself.



It always used to surprise me how people can do this. Openly admit they could not do the kill and the butchering, and yet, be ardent consumers of meat. It just seems unethical to me. I think it's really important to have made a few kills in your developmental years.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116]
    #26392753 - 12/20/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I got two deer in my freezer both killed this year been feeding my friends and family chilli and roast this month. Venison is lean and healthy plus eating meat keeps you from becoming a giant pussy

This Thanksgiving was mostly wild game we had wild turkey ,venison and pheasant


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: 1uptoadstool]
    #26393432 - 12/21/19 02:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I bet your rooster had a much better life than those bred by the millions, stuffed into cages and fattened up un-naturaly quickly.
Then the workers kick them around and throw into the slaughter House where they get boiled alive and then their throats cut.

A big problem is the human population, we are not controlling it and these 'factorys' are becoming essential for our continual survival of the ammount of people we have now. Far too many of us to keep up the hunter gatherer.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26393460 - 12/21/19 03:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I bet your rooster had a much better life than those bred by the millions, stuffed into cages and fattened up un-naturaly quickly.
Then the workers kick them around and throw into the slaughter House where they get boiled alive and then their throats cut.

A big problem is the human population, we are not controlling it and these 'factorys' are becoming essential for our continual survival of the ammount of people we have now. Far too many of us to keep up the hunter gatherer.





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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26393462 - 12/21/19 03:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Speaking of which, one of my friends who was a meat eater all his life went completely veg

I on the other hand still eat meat, but only high quality, like organic free range chicken fillets 5 quid for 2 fillets, at least those animals were bread with respect and care


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26393862 - 12/21/19 11:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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openmind said:
I guarantee a handful of you meat eaters don't have the guts to kill and gut out an animal yourself.



It always used to surprise me how people can do this. Openly admit they could not do the kill and the butchering, and yet, be ardent consumers of meat. It just seems unethical to me. I think it's really important to have made a few kills in your developmental years.




I wouldnt have a problem with killing and gutting, the only problem is I dont know how to gut, when I was like 12 I helped kill, gut and wax like 20 ducks, it was kinda morbidly cute when the duck with its head chopped off started wagging its tail while nailed to a post


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