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Horse Poo supplier
    #26392378 - 12/20/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I was going to attempt using a pasteurized substrate for my next bulk run
Horse poo seems to be the winner

Where can I order from?
Does anyone mix this with anything such as gypsum for nutritional content?
What are the recommended teks for pasteurization and substrate prep?

Excuse my laziness. I'm avoiding the dive into more research during the holiday season


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: HighHarles]
    #26392454 - 12/20/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Should I just use black kow?
I used my first try but fell victim to a contam when I used it.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: HighHarles]
    #26393233 - 12/20/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

ime black kow is not a worthy substitute for legit horse dung. not at all. had complete failure of over a dozen trays, prepped in various ways. some people swear by it. i've found no value in it.

where to get horse manure? straight from the pasture. it's tricky to find a source if you don't live in the country. make friends with people who own horses.

for pasteurization. lookup frank horrigan's method. as good as any.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26393283 - 12/20/19 11:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just ask people who have horses for some.  Ive never had a problem finding people who are willing to sell a bit of manure.  I lot of horse keepers have a pile of old perfect leached manure just sitting there.  They know people want it for their gardens sometimes.

You'll probably have to drive there though, with a bucket(s).

What's wrong with coir, if I may ask?


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26393311 - 12/20/19 11:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Just ask people who have horses for some.  Ive never had a problem finding people who are willing to sell a bit of manure.  I lot of horse keepers have a pile of old perfect leached manure just sitting there.  They know people want it for their gardens sometimes.

You'll probably have to drive there though, with a bucket(s).

What's wrong with coir, if I may ask?



Nothing at all but what's to say hes not growing cyans or something besides cubes?
I dont understand why people sway others from using manure. Ok you have to pasteurize it. Its extra work but of you plan on progressing in this hobby passed cubes you should probably master pasteurization and not just rely on bucket tek.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: gizmo1]
    #26393357 - 12/21/19 12:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I get mine from a horse barn. its free. They usually have to pay people to take that shit away.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: Ziran]
    #26393691 - 12/21/19 08:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I was diving into the research of substrates pretty deep yesterday. My biggest take away is gypsum is the most important additive. The base doesnt matter much as long as it maintains field capacity. Has anyone tried grinding up oats to add to the substrate for a nutrition boost?


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: HighHarles]
    #26393789 - 12/21/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Straw:

Straw is airy, has a great surface area and many points for mycelium to attach and grow. Due to it's porous nature at the micro level it likely retains moisture fairly well too. Great source of nitrogen.

Grains:

We all know that our mushies need nutrients like carbohydrates, proteins, and fats to eat up and and power their metabolism just as we do. The more food you have the more you can grow. Any grain that retains a fairly firm consistency when hydrated seems to work here. Be it Millet/Milo (WBS) Rye Berries/Grass, Wheat Berries, Quinoi. Choosing grains with high in triptophan seems to be believed my some to increase potency.

Note: It seems the more experienced do not view popcorn as a good choice for a bulk substrate because of it's high cost relative to other options, high surface area/low grain count ratio, mediocre nutritional content, and low triptophan content. Bottom line, there are better options.

Dung/Compost:

There are many forms. Horse manure (h/poo) is generally viewed as the best choice, though store bought stuff works fine as long as most of the bigger chunks of wood and other debris are picked out. Custom composts and cow manure are also used. These things seem to provide food in the form of partially digested or decomposed matter. Plenty of vitamins, minerals and things of the sort in this stuff; mushies love it to death. Some strains require it.

Vermiculite:

Mostly to retain water and fluff things up. Makes substrates more moist and airy. Usually mutually exclusive with the presence of straw, since it does the same job.

Usually found in about a 10-15% by volume ratio.

Gypsum or Calcium Carbonate:

This includes Oister Shells (Calcium Carbonate), Lime (Calcium Carbonate), Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate), Calcium Carbonate can be found straight up in raw form, or as Tums, egg shells are also mostly calcium carbonate. This stuff acts mostly a pH buffer. It buffers against a build up of metabolites (You wouldn't grow well in a pool of your own S**T would you?) and prevents some contams that enjoy altered pH levels. It's also likely is used as a nutrient by the mushies... How? I dunno, but it certainly helps yields, pinning, and potency.

Usually found in a 5-10% by volume concentration.

** This is purely my own theory back up by absolutely nothing, but the sulfur in Gypsum could serve the mushies well since sulfur is used in many different biological processes. Most other ingredients contain plenty of nitrogen, like straw and dung and other decaying matter. Having lots of organic matter for metabolic processes is always a good thing.

Coco Coir:

This stuff is nice and light, airy, cheap, and it seems mushies love coco nut and palm trees. Palm tree woodchips are also a great substrate for any wood loving species, reishi included.

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There are, of course, always other ingredients that are mostly nutritional additives, like kelp, blood meal, honey, and all kinds of other 'secret ingredients' For the purposes of this document I'm going to overlook theses until I read more about them or someone more experienced cares to comment in further detail about them.

I woulds love to hear some comparison from the more experienced in regards to a few things. Straw both hold moisture and is a great nitrogen source. Hence why dung/straw is such a great combination. But how does it compare to coir with verm to retain moisture and air it up with dung? Finding straw is sometimes a pain, but most any garden store has coir, dung, and verm. I would imagine coir contains more nutrients than straw; and the verm holds moisture making the coir/verm/dung a better choice? Not only for availability but nutritional value as well?

NOT MY WRITE UP JUST INFO FROM A THREAD I SAVED. DO NOT CREDIT ME FOR THIS


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: HighHarles]
    #26393875 - 12/21/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well i aint sure about everything else but i know bod keeps sayin coir is nutritionally low thats why its harder to contaminate and an awesome bulksub as long as the spawns good, its main job is to provide water and it really dont even need verm.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: HighHarles]
    #26393886 - 12/21/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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HighHarles said:
I was diving into the research of substrates pretty deep yesterday. My biggest take away is gypsum is the most important additive. The base doesnt matter much as long as it maintains field capacity. Has anyone tried grinding up oats to add to the substrate for a nutrition boost?



Nope gypsum is not very important at all alot of people dont even use it anymore.
I still use it but it's not necessary.
Also reading this and what you posted below it I see you are reading into some pretty outdated stuff or it seems this way. When researching I wouldn't read through anything older than maybe 7 years. You can limit how far the search engine takes you into the past lol.
Mycology has came a long ways in the past years. Some of the older info is pretty far off knowing what we know now that is becoming pretty apparent.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: gizmo1]
    #26393960 - 12/21/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Would you have any up-to-date links to threads that have covered the substrate topic in depth? I know people ask about it all the time. The questions gotta get old.


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Re: Horse Poo supplier [Re: HighHarles]
    #26394348 - 12/21/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I dont bud but if you search you can find plenty of people discussing it. Probably wont find many threads dedicated to substrate use as the general recommendation is going to be coir, verm and gypsum with verm and gypsum being optional.


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