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    #26392709 - 12/20/19 06:10 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

It's official bill just got signed.
Space force will be the 6th branch of the military and we're gonna grab aliens by the pussy.


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Re: Space force [Re: 1uptoadstool] * 2
    #26392740 - 12/20/19 06:29 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

My eight years in the Air Force was in Air Force Space Command.  They were talking about separating back then, but nothing ever came of it.  Trump is getting shit done.  :shrug:


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Re: Space force [Re: 1uptoadstool] * 2
    #26392741 - 12/20/19 06:29 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

A military industrial complex wet dream.


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Re: Space force [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26392750 - 12/20/19 06:32 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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A military industrial complex wet dream.



Indeed.  Trump would rather give money to the military industrial complex than to Main St.


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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26392762 - 12/20/19 06:40 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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My eight years in the Air Force was in Air Force Space Command.  They were talking about separating back then, but nothing ever came of it.  Trump is getting shit done.  :shrug:




And what exactly does this fix? It’s a vanity project. There are no troops in space. We have almost no space based weapons because they are illegal under international treaty. Space doesn’t belong to any country. National sovereignty ends at 60 miles above the surface.

What is he getting done except creating more bureaucracy


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Re: Space force [Re: koods] * 2
    #26392784 - 12/20/19 06:59 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

When I was in Air Force Space Command I was on a team that launched a satellite into orbit that tracked real time weather over Iraq for Desert Storm, I was on a team that developed jam resistant ultra secure communications satellites, and I was on a team that purchased the next generation of GPS satellites.

I'm not sure why any of that should be under the Air Force.

Your TDS seems a bit out of control.


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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26392801 - 12/20/19 07:07 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

I’m not sure why it shouldn’t. You haven’t provided any rationale.


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26392808 - 12/20/19 07:15 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Maybe there's an argument to be made that the Army, Air Force, and Navy should be combined into a single service then.  I haven't given it much thought except that land, air, sea, and space are all kind of different.


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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26392818 - 12/20/19 07:21 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

That is not a rationale. Does the air force not do a good job launching and tracking satellites?


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26392826 - 12/20/19 07:29 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

I was just reminded when I saw the report that Trump signed the budget at JOINT BASE Andrews that the military has spent the last twenty years consolidating domains.


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26392862 - 12/20/19 07:55 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)



Although this is about Afghanistan and not the space force, it's pretty consistent with military industrial complex empire bullshit that space force is destined to be.

Im sure there will be revelations about it in the coming years that closely parallel the kind of waste and insanity that this does.

My prediction.


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Re: Space force [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26392872 - 12/20/19 08:01 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

How many people will be in the space force?

200.

Budget?

$40 million

Yeah we totally needed a new service with about as many employees as a small Walmart. Trump is not a serious person.


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26392875 - 12/20/19 08:03 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Thats just a foot in the door


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26392879 - 12/20/19 08:05 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Who will be in charge of the space force?

The secretary of the Air Force.

This is nothing but a vanity project


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Re: Space force [Re: koods] * 1
    #26392884 - 12/20/19 08:08 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

That doesn't mean it won't be used and abused later


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26392948 - 12/20/19 08:53 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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That is not a rationale. Does the air force not do a good job launching and tracking satellites?



Consistency is the rationale.  Either keep land, sea, air, and space apart or put them together.  I don't care.

You're just so determined to make believe anything Trump does must be bad.  The TDS is unreal.


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    #26392954 - 12/20/19 08:55 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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Thats just a foot in the door



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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26392959 - 12/20/19 08:56 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

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The TDS is unreal.



You are correct. TDS is not a real thing.


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Re: Space force [Re: koods] * 2
    #26392976 - 12/20/19 09:08 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Space force is duplicative of existing services and thus is a waste of money. Fal agreed as much in past posts. I’m not not going to dig for it though.

Creating a bunch of letter head and redundant arms of government won’t advance space science in any way. It’s hard to believe that Trump voters are all of a sudden pro government expansion. Well, not hard to believe really, just another example of TDS.


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Re: Space force [Re: christopera]
    #26392983 - 12/20/19 09:11 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

Exactly, in the same way all the services have duplication with each other.  I'd be fine with combining all the services into one.


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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26393046 - 12/20/19 09:43 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

There is also the fact that the American military is big enough already.



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Re: Space force [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26393099 - 12/20/19 10:24 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

That's for certain.  :thumbup:

And many of those other countries are our allies.


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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26393156 - 12/20/19 10:57 PM (6 months, 11 days ago)

I think space force is awesome . Coolest shit ever . But having the assholes in charge of climate science denial in charge of creating  something that obviously requires accepting the reality of science is fucking  stupid .


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Re: Space force [Re: 1uptoadstool]
    #26393714 - 12/21/19 10:41 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

https://www.pressherald.com/2019/12/20/space-force-will-start-small-but-let-trump-claim-a-big-win-2/

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Space Force is the first new military service since the Air Force was spun off from the Army in 1947. Space Force will be the provider of forces to U.S. Space Command, a separate organization established earlier this year as the overseer of the military’s space operations.




I wonder why theres a sudden urge for a Space Force. Maybe its a natural progression of the "discontinued" AATIP program:



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Re: Space force [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26393721 - 12/21/19 10:45 AM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Seems like a made up accomplishment so Trumps got something to jerk off to. Nothing more.


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Re: Space force [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26393902 - 12/21/19 01:40 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

I see it as making things more consistent.

We have a service for land, sea, and air, so to be consistent it makes sense to have one for space.

As I said before, I wouldn't be opposed to combining all existing services into one, but whatever we do we should be consistent.


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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 5
    #26394001 - 12/21/19 02:58 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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I haven't given it much thought except that land, air, sea, and space
are all kind of different.



Except that space and air are kind of the same.:shrug:

It's not water and it's not land, it's air.
Space is just higher up in the air column.

Technically it should be called the Outer-space force. :snub:

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Re: Space force [Re: vinsue]
    #26394069 - 12/21/19 03:54 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Space Force.



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    #26394115 - 12/21/19 04:30 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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I haven't given it much thought except that land, air, sea, and space
are all kind of different.



Except that space and air are kind of the same.:shrug:

It's not water and it's not land, it's air.
Space is just higher up in the air column.

Technically it should be called the Outer-space force. :snub:

:themoreyouknow:

:rocket: . . . :peace:



:justno:

They have zero in common.  Planes don't fly in space in satellites don't fly in air.  Sure, if you want to call it the Outer-space force, that's fine, but it's the same thing.


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    #26394257 - 12/21/19 05:52 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

IMO, it's really just a conduit for big, giant gobs of money further bloating our already bloated military and its attendant industrial complex.

Additionally,  I can envision some dems doing the same thing 'in the name of science and staying ahead of our enemies like Russia and N Korea' rather than the Republican line of 'increasing mission readiness and the lethality of our brave, heroic, super-patriotic men and women in uniform'...as they both slobber all over the boots of their industrial overlords while opening the taxpayers' wallet.





TL;DR:  dont think it was remotely necessary; think it could've been implemented by any mainstream establishment politician, R or D; & think it's yet another way to further increase our obscene military expenditures.


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    #26394265 - 12/21/19 05:59 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Earth satellites don't fly at all, unless they are in a rocket being delivered, when in orbit they fall continuously. Technically, with sufficient enough thrust you could make something orbit the planet inside the atmosphere without any means of lift generation via atmosphere manipulation. Of course we don't have that technology, at least not to maintain a stable/continuous earth orbit inside the atmosphere. So, while the technical aspects are certainly different when considering flight and space flight, they aren't mutually exclusive or inclusive. The overlap is large. After all, we haven't figured out how to build vehicles that are strictly intended for space flight, they all have some consideration for surviving in the earths atmosphere. Maybe now that we have a space force we can start manufacturing space crafts in space, that would truly be an impressive accomplishment.


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    #26394268 - 12/21/19 06:00 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

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IMO, it's really just a conduit for big, giant gobs of money further bloating our already bloated military and its attendant industrial complex.

Additionally,  I can envision some dems doing the same thing 'in the name of science and staying ahead of our enemies like Russia and N Korea' rather than the Republican line of 'increasing mission readiness and the lethality of our brave, heroic, super-patriotic men and women in uniform'...as they both slobber all over the boots of their industrial overlords while opening the taxpayers' wallet.





TL;DR:  dont think it was remotely necessary; think it could've been implemented by any mainstream establishment politician, R or D; & think it's yet another way to further increase our obscene military expenditures.




Obama originally planed the Space Force and after review decided it was a waste of money. Those pro-war, big budget, Dems at it again.


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    #26394280 - 12/21/19 06:08 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Did not know (obviously)


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    #26394570 - 12/21/19 09:43 PM (6 months, 10 days ago)

Getting a jump on the possible future of space resources? :justdontknow:



Probably another scam for more tax piracy. :rockon:


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    #26394735 - 12/22/19 12:35 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Re: Space force [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26394754 - 12/22/19 12:56 AM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Maybe there's an argument to be made that the Army, Air Force, and Navy should be combined into a single service then.  I haven't given it much thought except that land, air, sea, and space are all kind of different.




Marine Corps is Department of the Navy. Amphibious assaults and other bread and butter capabilities are deemed no longer combat effective (that is, if you take the opinion of the current Commandant, ) Some speculate the Corps could dissipate. Thats just one example......

It is a certanity that warfare operations have moved to space (with the hope of it being exclusive), and all the innovation that comes from $$ and war will perpetuate technological advances. 

Don't move me to the conspiracy forum for saying this was a banner year for aerial phenomenona...just by chance?


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    #26396038 - 12/22/19 07:46 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Don't move me to the conspiracy forum for saying this was a banner year for aerial phenomenona...just by chance?




Stay on target Blue Leader. It sure seems that there is a correlation between the start of the Space Force program and disclosure about Unexplained Aerial Phenomenona. And perhaps an international aspect as China just landed a rover on the Moon this year. Who will fight off the Chinese Lunar Robots for dominance of the hidden but precious Moon resources?


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Re: Space force [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26396159 - 12/22/19 08:58 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Ive got a buddy who's a trumpster and he swears the moon hasnt beenbhere as long as they say and thatbits some kind of death star that sucks up atmospheres and transports them to new planets. Maybe thats why we need space force?


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Re: Space force [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 4
    #26396226 - 12/22/19 09:33 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

For real?  Sucks up atmosphere and wha?

Shit like that makes me wonder how some people put their shoes on the correct feet each morning. 

Wait, your friend isn't schizophrenic,  right?


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Re: Space force [Re: 1uptoadstool]
    #26396252 - 12/22/19 09:47 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

I think trump is a history guy. He knows we dont need any sort of wall. Knows we dont need any space force right now. Just knows that these are things in history that will go down under his name. He wants to be the guy. Countless presidents in history are complete nameless nobodies to the modern public. He does not want to become one of them. He wants to get shit done. It doesnt matter how pointless, he just wants to do shit. He's president, man. I'd be making new shit up left and right just cuz I can. Fuck it, lets have an underground army. The Mole Force. Bases underground. Strike from below. They'll never expect it.


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Re: Space force [Re: relic]
    #26396273 - 12/22/19 10:04 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

The credulity of a person has a strong correlation with their opinion of trump. You simply have to be bad at evaluating evidence to support trump


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Re: Space force [Re: relic]
    #26396277 - 12/22/19 10:07 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

No not at all. Hes actually pretty smart too. But I have to shut down when he gets on about politics and conspiracy theories. When clinton was running against trump he couldnt wait for Anonymous to drop a video proving bill clinton was a pedophile. It never happened.


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Re: Space force [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26396285 - 12/22/19 10:13 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

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Near Dylan said:
I think trump is a history guy. He knows we dont need any sort of wall. Knows we dont need any space force right now. Just knows that these are things in history that will go down under his name. He wants to be the guy. Countless presidents in history are complete nameless nobodies to the modern public. He does not want to become one of them. He wants to get shit done. It doesnt matter how pointless, he just wants to do shit. He's president, man. I'd be making new shit up left and right just cuz I can. Fuck it, lets have an underground army. The Mole Force. Bases underground. Strike from below. They'll never expect it.




Trump gets his history from watching tv. I guarantee you he has never read a book. He is the least educated president in American history. He has no curiosity. He is pathologically lazy. New information enters his brain passively, he has no interest in acquiring it through effort


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Re: Space force [Re: koods]
    #26396291 - 12/22/19 10:20 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

Im not necessarily trying to argue that he's some history buff. More so just wants to be in textbooks. And he will be. No matter what you say about him, we are living in an era that will be talked about for centuries. And he knows it. I dont really think he cares how much people criticize him. He knows he will be one of the most talked about presidents in US history from now until the end.


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Re: Space force [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26396298 - 12/22/19 10:22 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

That is all very true....


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Re: Space force [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26396334 - 12/22/19 10:40 PM (6 months, 9 days ago)

It's just more pillaging of society by the so-called elite, whether he's installing industry lobbyists as heads of regulatory agencies, cutting taxes for the rich, or dumping ever more money into the military industrial complex, this is how the ruling class further entrenches it's corrupt position.

It takes.  Now it's taking some more.

A space force.  That could be something out of a satirical sketch comedy, like, you've got to be kidding.

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The U.S. Space Force's mission is to "organize, train, and equip space forces in order to protect U.S. and allied interests in space and to provide space capabilities to the joint force.




That could suck up as much money as you could ever dream.  Space activity is fucking expensive.  Tack on some % profit and you are off to gold-plated yacht vacations with the rest of the super villians.


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Re: Space force [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26396594 - 12/23/19 02:41 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Wouldn't it be some crazy shit if in the next decade or two we start seeing recruitment adds, "THE NEW FRONTIER! JOIN SPACE FORCE! TO INFINITY AND BEYOND"

Bruh the future gonna be crazy if humans start colonizing space. Certain faction of the Galactic Federation and the Galactic Mafia sure have been trying to prevent us from doing so up to this point though; so who knows if we'll get the chance.


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Re: Space force [Re: dreamachine]
    #26396633 - 12/23/19 03:18 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

They forgot to tell you the part where your credit score determines if you're worthy of leaving Earth, lol.


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Re: Space force [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26396638 - 12/23/19 03:22 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Yeah my credit score is 0. Never used credit in my life. lol

Though I think credit score in the future is going to be based on your subservience to the state; any kind of dissenting opinion or counter culture behavior will drastically reduce your score; similar to how China operates (from what i've heard)

that said, I've pretty much resigned myself to RIP here in Hawaii while everyone else merges with machines and uploads to the cloud. I'll be here in the jungle hiding out like the humans in Planet of the Apes.


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Re: Space force [Re: dreamachine]
    #26396698 - 12/23/19 04:19 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Didnt yo momma ever tell you to get a card to make small purhases you can pay back


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    #26396888 - 12/23/19 09:11 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

There's pretty much no reason to send human fighters to space, it's far cheaper to send equipment there. Or in this case, send equipment to defend our satellites.


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Re: Space force [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26397657 - 12/23/19 04:45 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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Didnt yo momma ever tell you to get a card to make small purhases you can pay back



video games and television raised me; majority of my parent's parenting was yelling at me to get/keep good grades. lol


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Re: Space force [Re: 1uptoadstool] * 2
    #26398984 - 12/24/19 12:51 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

We don't need a space force.  We just need the Centurions and Silver Hawks.


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Re: Space force [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26400422 - 12/25/19 02:12 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

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Ive got a buddy who's a trumpster and he swears the moon hasnt beenbhere as long as they say and thatbits some kind of death star that sucks up atmospheres and transports them to new planets. Maybe thats why we need space force?




Rumor has it that theres some secretive stuff going on the surface and inside the Moon. Not atmospheric-sucking technology but perhaps some secret Lunar bases. Not much evidence on it thou.


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Re: Space force [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26400630 - 12/25/19 06:16 PM (6 months, 6 days ago)

Any coincidence that this has been a banner year for reports of aerial phenomenona and the passage of Space Force?


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Re: Space force [Re: dreamachine]
    #26401844 - 12/26/19 06:20 PM (6 months, 5 days ago)

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Yeah my credit score is 0. Never used credit in my life. lol

Though I think credit score in the future is going to be based on your subservience to the state; any kind of dissenting opinion or counter culture behavior will drastically reduce your score; similar to how China operates (from what i've heard)

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How do you build the bridge between corporations control the govt and in the future the govt will decide your credit score ? 
    I don’t think that will ever happen . The fact that you think it might pretty much explains why your credit score is zero .


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Re: Space force [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26402073 - 12/26/19 09:23 PM (6 months, 5 days ago)

Actually your credit score goes back to slightly above average if you havn't taken out any loans and have no debt for a few years. If you have never used credit and pay your bills then you should be an average rating.
Actually back in 2015 if you have $50 dollars in the bank and no debt you where richer than 60% of Americans. :oogle:

I thought mine was gonna be remain horrid after I payed off all my bills and collage loans back in 02.  Then avoided any type of loans or credit cards until my wife wanted a house in 2018. :ohmy:
It pissed me off thinking my score would be bad because needing a loan in itself shows someone doesn't know how to manage money in the long run.
Guess I was right in some respect because not taking out loans or using credit made my shitty credit score go back above average. If you want your score maxed, you have to show you can pay it back though. If you want a 0 rating, don't pay your bills.
Also, you will never have to balance your check book while watch your savings grow for emergencies if you simply buy what you need and not what you want. Besides, the more you own, the more you have to pay others to have it protected.
I haven't balanced my checking in almost 10 years because I don't buy into that consumerism dopamine dumping insanity BS because marketing divisions know a fool and his money soon part. :cookiemonster:

It is better to save your money than give it away for free as interest anyways.


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Re: Space force [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26413583 - 01/03/20 04:18 AM (5 months, 28 days ago)

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Any coincidence that this has been a banner year for reports of aerial phenomenona and the passage of Space Force?




Since its the Political Forum, lets just say its a total Coincidence :douchewink:


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