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Anonymous #29 said: Hahaha loans? Cmon, at least try.
You’re poor, man. Ain’t no one giving you a 50k loan. Your credit is in the shitter and your income is minimum wage.
Million different ways to better yourself if you’re not at rock bottom...
Are you high out of your mind? Do you realise how easy it is to get student loans! If what your saying is true then how did me and all of my friends get student loans right after high school? You're seriously just talking out of your ass.
You still had credit when you graduated HS? That just means you weren’t poor. I’m asking you to pretend.
I tried getting a student loan at 24 and was denied🤷🏻♂️ Too much credit card debt.
Whatever happened to “a million ways” to get out from rock bottom? Are they all different grants and loans? Cause that’s still just 1 way.
Pellgrant. It completely pays for 2 years of community college including some extra spending money. If youre really poor the spending money is as much as $1000 for each of the two years.
But this doesnt make you wrong about healthcare. Just about the college thing.
So you propose people survive on $1000? If they work weekends, that’s 16h at $7.25 = about $300 per month. Please tell me how you can rent, eat and dress yourself for $1,300/month.
Not to mention that most people would need the weekends to study. It’s not laziness - some people just have a hard time at school.
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Anonymous #24
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Anonymous #29 said: So you propose people survive on $1000? If they work weekends, that’s 16h at $7.25 = about $300 per month. Please tell me how you can rent, eat and dress yourself for $1,300/month.
Not to mention that most people would need the weekends to study. It’s not laziness - some people just have a hard time at school.
They'd have to go to school and work. In the states most people I knew in college with me were working full time jobs or had their way paved by their parents. Since I've been overseas the norm is working just weekends while in college.
Its definitely doable to do both. It sucks but its doable. But now ask this.... how are they gonna pay for healthcare while they go to school? And THATS the point.
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Anonymous #24
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And another thing these Republicans dont understand.
They think "Oh if youre poor just get a better job and work harder". They dont realize that there will ALWAYS be minimum wage jobs. SOMEONE has to do them. They act like this tiny percentage of low paying work is enough to be worked by just 18-22 year olds. When in reality there are shit loads of people making starving wages.
If every single person on earth turned into you. Lets say you are very successful. But now every person on earth is you with your same thoughts and ambitions and skills. What percentage of america wouldnt have healthcare? What percentage would be living paycheck to paycheck?
Can you really say 0? Can you even say 25 percent?
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Anonymous #29
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Anonymous #29 said: So you propose people survive on $1000? If they work weekends, that’s 16h at $7.25 = about $300 per month. Please tell me how you can rent, eat and dress yourself for $1,300/month.
Not to mention that most people would need the weekends to study. It’s not laziness - some people just have a hard time at school.
They'd have to go to school and work. In the states most people I knew in college with me were working full time jobs or had their way paved by their parents. Since I've been overseas the norm is working just weekends while in college.
Its definitely doable to do both. It sucks but its doable. But now ask this.... how are they gonna pay for healthcare while they go to school? And THATS the point.
Look, it’s great that some people are smart enough to study on the bus. And it’s great that some people can work 8 hours after 5 hours of lectures/labs.
But this is NOT true for the average American, much less the poor American. Poor kids do worse in school, they get less attention from teachers and usually have less parents as well.
There’s a reason why an 8h work day is the norm. We, as a society, deemed that anything more is unhealthy and torturous. Yet we’re cool with putting our kids through it?
I worked FT through college...would never wish that on my kid, regardless of the alternative. They were supposed to be the best years of my life, but they became some of the worst.
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Anonymous #24
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Anonymous #29 said: So you propose people survive on $1000? If they work weekends, that’s 16h at $7.25 = about $300 per month. Please tell me how you can rent, eat and dress yourself for $1,300/month.
Not to mention that most people would need the weekends to study. It’s not laziness - some people just have a hard time at school.
They'd have to go to school and work. In the states most people I knew in college with me were working full time jobs or had their way paved by their parents. Since I've been overseas the norm is working just weekends while in college.
Its definitely doable to do both. It sucks but its doable. But now ask this.... how are they gonna pay for healthcare while they go to school? And THATS the point.
Look, it’s great that some people are smart enough to study on the bus. And it’s great that some people can work 8 hours after 5 hours of lectures/labs.
But this is NOT true for the average American, much less the poor American. Poor kids do worse in school, they get less attention from teachers and usually have less parents as well.
There’s a reason why an 8h work day is the norm. We, as a society, deemed that anything more is unhealthy and torturous. Yet we’re cool with putting our kids through it?
I worked FT through college...would never wish that on my kid, regardless of the alternative. They were supposed to be the best years of my life, but they became some of the worst.
Youre moving the goalpost here. Its doable.
Dont be moving the goalpost it just shows youre incapable of being wrong. Dont give these Republicans an easy target.
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Pfff no I’m not, I’m supporting my original statement.
A poor American has no means of moving up from minimum wage to a skilled job, without external help.
Where did I move the goalposts?
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Anonymous #29 said: Pfff no I’m not, I’m supporting my original statement.
A poor American has no means of moving up from minimum wage to a skilled job, without external help.
Where did I move the goalposts?
I'm sorry man but youre very clearly moving the goalpost.
First you asked how a poor person gets in demand skills while pointing out the math of earnings vs costs.
Now youre saying some poor people couldnt cut it working 40 hour weeks and 20 hours school.
Thats a goalpost move. I dont want to argue with each change of your goalposts until we come to a final resting place of "i guess we are both right". I want you to say "fuck my bad I didnt know about the pellgrant" and then we move on.
Its healthier for everyone including the advancement of your beliefs and opinions.
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Anonymous #29
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It’s an argument that supports my original statement in the context of your rebuke.
If I changed my original statement, that’d be moving the goal posts...
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Anonymous #24
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Anonymous #29 said: It’s an argument that supports my original statement in the context of your rebuke.
If I changed my original statement, that’d be moving the goal posts...
Another crushing blow for mankind. Goodjob. Even in an anonymous post on a forum no one cares about you cannot admit to being wrong on the most basic simple thing.
How are you gonna convince a Republican they are wrong?
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All I’m waiting for is for when people stretch out the resources so greatly that I can finally open my suicide net business and start making some easy money. We got rid of 8 hours, we got rid of benefits, we got rid of overtime, we’re fastly getting rid of propery ownership, people are always down to their last dollar and can never rest easy, shit is crumbling apart in the city and out in the country. Everything is right on track with making this life not even worth living. It shouldn’t be long before I can open my doors. I just watch China to see where this market is headed.
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Anonymous #29 said: It’s an argument that supports my original statement in the context of your rebuke.
If I changed my original statement, that’d be moving the goal posts...
Another crushing blow for mankind. Goodjob. Even in an anonymous post on a forum no one cares about you cannot admit to being wrong on the most basic simple thing.
How are you gonna convince a Republican they are wrong?
You’re the one who’s bitching instead of formulating a response to what I actually said.
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Anonymous #29 said: It’s an argument that supports my original statement in the context of your rebuke.
If I changed my original statement, that’d be moving the goal posts...
Another crushing blow for mankind. Goodjob. Even in an anonymous post on a forum no one cares about you cannot admit to being wrong on the most basic simple thing.
How are you gonna convince a Republican they are wrong?
You’re the one who’s bitching instead of formulating a response to what I actually said.
Ladies and gentlemen anon 29 was never wrong once! But anon 24 was! Hurray for anon 29!
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Anonymous #29 said: I think they both deserve a raise. It’s impossible to survive on the current min wage, as I showed in this thread. It’s impossible whether you live in NYC where McDonald’s workers already get $15/h, or in the lowers min-wage state, where they make $7.25.
Btw, I’m in Brooklyn and prices didn’t spike much after NYC raised the min wage from $8 to $15.
Price's will go up if the whole country raises it! I'm not just saying that to be difficult, it's the truth! 15$ a hour isn't the same in Brooklyn as it is in Ohio. Min wage should be decided by the state not the federal government because the value of the dollar is different depending on where you live. You're not supposed to live off of min wage jobs! Min wage jobs are for people getting started without a skill! It will also harm a lot of small businesses.
Why will "prices go up"? What will cost more exactly and for what reason?
Can I ask you exactly, what difference does if the business owner makes more of the profit or the worker makes more of a wage? It's the same money, why is it problematic if the workers gets it, yet you have no issue if the business owner takes that same dollar home.
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Business owner is going to have to come up with that additional wage, so everything in the store just went up $1.
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Anonymous #7 said: Business owner is going to have to come up with that additional wage, so everything in the store just went up $1.
No, that's not true at all. You're falsely assuming there's zero profit and 100% of revenue goes to expenses that includes wages. Do you understand how a business works? There's varying degrees of profit margins and pricing power in a competitive market place.
It's very possible a business owner can't hike prices, pays the employee more and makes a smaller profit margin.
The point is, many different things can happen. Just making broad generalizations on the issue serves no purpose.
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Anonymous #7 said: Business owner is going to have to come up with that additional wage, so everything in the store just went up $1.
So you would be happier if poor people who worked jobs were actual slaves and did not get paid money at all? You can’t say that out loud of course but that’s basically what you want. You want the greedy business owner to have all the money and you want the workers to be literal slaves and not get paid at all. Is that what it would take to finally make you happy! Literal slaves? You just love taking and taking and you want poor people to have nothing:
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Anonymous #7 said: Business owner is going to have to come up with that additional wage, so everything in the store just went up $1.
So you would be happier if poor people who worked jobs were actual slaves and did not get paid money at all? You can’t say that out loud of course but that’s basically what you want. You want the greedy business owner to have all the money and you want the workers to be literal slaves and not get paid at all. Is that what it would take to finally make you happy! Literal slaves? You just love taking and taking and you want poor people to have nothing:
He doesn't even understand basic economics, he only repeats talking points from the billionaires he worships for some strange reason.
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No. Bernie Sander is not a billionaire. A millionaire but not a billionaire.
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Anonymous #29
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And he’s only a millionaire because he put out a best-selling book in 2016. He wasn’t a millionaire before that election.
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Anonymous #7 said: Business owner is going to have to come up with that additional wage, so everything in the store just went up $1.
No, that's not true at all. You're falsely assuming there's zero profit and 100% of revenue goes to expenses that includes wages. Do you understand how a business works? There's varying degrees of profit margins and pricing power in a competitive market place.
It's very possible a business owner can't hike prices, pays the employee more and makes a smaller profit margin.
The point is, many different things can happen. Just making broad generalizations on the issue serves no purpose.
No, I’m assuming owner has to make his (or her) yacht payments on time. You and I both know it’s going to balance out somehow. It also means someone is getting layed off so more work is headed to the two employees lucky enough to not be #3 so I’m going to need you guys to step it up and get all this shit knocked out by 5. If you ain’t good enough to do it I’ll find someone who is, old man.
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