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gizmo1 said: As with most things in life there is usually not a one size fits all for every situation. I'm sure the tek was made with the intention that people would adjust it to there own situation and what works best for them. Or basically think fir themselves. I can't speak on the tek personally as I haven't tried it but if Bod wrote it I'm sure it's a decent guideline for preparing oats, maybe with a little adjustment needed for your personal situation. Idk I do know there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Schroomfairy said: Thanks for the advice. What I learned is that BODS tech is flawed because it is not based solely on time but rather when they are done.
no, it is not flawed. you are trying to reinvent a proven technique.
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KinokoKomodo said: it looks just like properly cooked rice on the inside. if it's undercooked it's dry. that's why I've said more than once you need to break them open and see how they look on the inside. this is not science, it's middle school home economics. you put dry food in a pot and cook it until it's soft in the middle.
As a matter of fact it is science...
And you dont need to talk down anyone that's still trying to figure it out...
no. cooking grain is not science. it is cooking 101. the fact of the matter is, if you can't figure out how to cook oat you need to start with learning how to cook.
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gizmo1 said: As with most things in life there is usually not a one size fits all for every situation. I'm sure the tek was made with the intention that people would adjust it to there own situation and what works best for them. Or basically think fir themselves. I can't speak on the tek personally as I haven't tried it but if Bod wrote it I'm sure it's a decent guideline for preparing oats, maybe with a little adjustment needed for your personal situation. Idk I do know there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Schroomfairy said: Thanks for the advice. What I learned is that BODS tech is flawed because it is not based solely on time but rather when they are done.
no, it is not flawed. you are trying to reinvent a proven technique.
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KinokoKomodo said: it looks just like properly cooked rice on the inside. if it's undercooked it's dry. that's why I've said more than once you need to break them open and see how they look on the inside. this is not science, it's middle school home economics. you put dry food in a pot and cook it until it's soft in the middle.
As a matter of fact it is science...
And you dont need to talk down anyone that's still trying to figure it out...
no. cooking grain is not science. it is cooking 101. the fact of the matter is, if you can't figure out how to cook oat you need to start with learning how to cook.
Dude I'm not here to argue um just saying if you wanna comment then do it to help the dude out, no need to tell him how elementary you think the whole thing is...that doesn't help anyone...
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i'm suggesting he's looking at it with the wrong mindset, not trying to insult anyone.
how about getting a name for yourself before telling a senior member with experience what they are doing wrong? i grow clusters bigger than most people get their entire first proper flush. you would do well to listen to what i have to say. you've been registered here just barely long enough to be flushing your first run. there's a whole world to learn, and it would be a shame to run off everyone willing to help you with a brash arrogant attitude right off the bat.
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I just boil for 25-30 min or so to where the outside is plump but the inside is still a bit dry. Drain for 10 min and then PC them without a foil cover. Few burst but nothing major.
I actually use a mix of oats, wbs, and rye using the same prep. I use the wbs because if fills some of the gaps oats leaves to speed up the colonization a bit. I use rye because I bought shitload of it and quit using it because it cultivates so damn slow compared to oats and wbs (wbs has consistently been the fastest)
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Jive Ass Turkey said: I just boil for 25-30 min or so to where the outside is plump but the inside is still a bit dry. Drain for 10 min and then PC them without a foil cover. Few burst but nothing major.
I actually use a mix of oats, wbs, and rye using the same prep. I use the wbs because if fills some of the gaps oats leaves to speed up the colonization a bit. I use rye because I bought shitload of it and quit using it because it cultivates so damn slow compared to oats and wbs (wbs has consistently been the fastest)
I'm glad that works for you I hate foil but recently started using it again I was getting a bit of mush in the bottom of my jars if heating the PC too fast. In impatient though.
I also like using a mix of grains. I've got wbs mixed with oats going right now. In a cultivation book I have I read to prep the grr grains seperate then mix before pcing. I just mix mine and prep together seems to work fine. I just remove from heat once I see a couple burst grains. Last batch I let it go a little long and got quit a few burst grains but they are still chugging along.
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Re: Oat help [Re: gizmo1]
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I love mixing oats with WBS or Millet.
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Re: Oat help [Re: gizmo1]
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I like to cook the oats with just enough water for the oats to hydrate themselves. If you restrict the amount of water available to them then there won’t be enough water to OVERcook them. You don’t even have to worry about it happening because it’s impossible to over hydrate this way.
Yogi has a tek similar to how I make my grains. I think its called precision water oat tek or something...
I like to put some oats in a jar, then add some water, then pc. It was way faster (for me) to figure out how much water to add, than to waste 30-45 minutes of cooking, then drying for 8 hours, to find out it was cooked wrong. And much faster prep too
If you look at how how much water is in a pf jar, it’s easy to see myc doesn’t require a whole lot of water to grow, like bod says, stick to the dry side.
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san pedro guy said: I like to cook the oats with just enough water for the oats to hydrate themselves. If you restrict the amount of water available to them then there won’t be enough water to OVERcook them. You don’t even have to worry about it happening because it’s impossible to over hydrate this way.
Yogi has a tek similar to how I make my grains. I think its called precision water oat tek or something...
I like to put some oats in a jar, then add some water, then pc. It was way faster (for me) to figure out how much water to add, than to waste 30-45 minutes of cooking, then drying for 8 hours, to find out it was cooked wrong. And much faster prep too
If you look at how how much water is in a pf jar, it’s easy to see myc doesn’t require a whole lot of water to grow, like bod says, stick to the dry side.
Are you talking about a no prep tek or are you actually boiling grains with just enough water to hydrate? I'm pretty sure I know what you are talking about but you have to be careful remember alot of new growers read this and they might try to boil with as little water as possible and end up with black grains lol.
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Mixed grains rock.
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Re: Oat help [Re: gizmo1]
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Newbies need to be more careful reading and maybe you do to.
I clearly state that I put the oats and water in a jar then pc.
I also referenced yogi’s tek that has “for dummys” style instructions...he goes by weight, I go by eyeball lol
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You said COOK the oats with just enough water. You understand how that sounds right I wouldn't have said anything if it didn't sound that way. I'm not here to judge or criticize anyone. You didn't say you like to put them in a har and PC until a later paragraph. This looks like you were talking about a different method. I knew what you meant and I read just fine thank you. Not so good at taking criticism are you? You immediately tried to blame others reading as the problem when YOU weren't clear enough. Regardless it's cool I have no reason to discuss it further have a nice day bud.
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Re: Oat help [Re: gizmo1]
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Yea I talk about what I do and why it works then the second parts goes into the “how”.
It’s not meant to be read as individual statements but rather as one whole post.
I wasn’t writing a tek or it would be much more detailed.
gluck op, just try different things until you find something that works well for you, you’ll get there
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san pedro guy said: Yea I talk about what I do and why it works then the second parts goes into the “how”.
It’s not meant to be read as individual statements but rather as one whole post.
I wasn’t writing a tek or it would be much more detailed.
gluck op, just try different things until you find something that works well for you, you’ll get there
I understand I was just trying to give some friendly advice I'm glad this didn't turn into a battle of the egos as it often can around here. I've been around long enough to see some pretty big egos and I've also also fallen victim to my own ego. I dont want to be that guy anymore and especially this close to the holidays. Just regular happy ol me lol.
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Re: Oat help [Re: gizmo1]
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cheers to that!
Merry Christmas!
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Merry Xmas I love you all!
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san pedro guy said: cheers to that!
Merry Christmas!
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Merry Christmas guys
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Apparently, endospores are notoriously hard to kill. From a lab studier:
B. A Food Scientist was trying to kill spores that were present on rolled oats (the stuff you use to make oatmeal cereal). She tried radiation, ozone, superheated air – all no good. Finally, she soaked the oats in cold water with a little glucose for about 5 hours, and then heated the water to 80oC. After evaporation and drying, the spores were gone! What happened here? What role does the water play in this process? What role does the glucose play?
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this is why you do a 24 hour soak in water prior to boiling and pressure cooking. the soak gives mold spores and bacteria time to germinate and grow. live growing contams are FAR easier to kill than dormant ones.
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@KinokoKomodo, just FYI, you might be putting out misinformation/ an unconfirmed hypothesis. I also soak, but its for hydration, not germinating endospores.
Please do check this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21604725
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ManifoldPrime said: @KinokoKomodo, just FYI, you might be putting out misinformation/ an unconfirmed hypothesis. I also soak, but its for hydration, not germinating endospores.
Please do check this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21604725
you don't soak to hydrate. that's why you boil your grains. 24 hours soaking prior to boiling the grain isto germinate any contams, making them easier to kill in a pressure cooker.
grain can be cooked all the way through by boiling alone. the 24 hour soak has absolutely no bearing in cooking a grain for hydration. grain is grain. you put it in hot water long enough, it hydrates....it doesn't even make sense that 24 hours of soaking is to hydrate when the grain is not fully hydrated after the soak...you still have to boil.
i've done grain runs without 24 hour soak....straight from bone dry to boiling, then in the pc. they all contamed, even the un-inoculated control jars from the same run.
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