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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: starfire_xes]
#26397263 - 12/23/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don’t you mean Eric Swallowswell?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26397646 - 12/23/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnRainy said: Interpretations of founding fathers literature is not the law.
The constitution states that congress has the sole power to impeach. That's what they did.
The law is clear. The senate must hold a trial, and that's it.
No the Senate does not have to hold the trial. After Robert Ray: The Constitution says only that the Senate has the "sole power to try all impeachments." (Art. I, sec. 3., cl. 6). That doesn't mean that it has to exercise that power. And there's nothing in the Constitution that says otherwise.
Congress has the sole power to impeach and used it. Senate is under no obligation to hold a trial. It can decide to dismiss the impeachment notion. The Senate is seen as a democratic expression of the people. Whatever it decides is too. If it votes to dismiss the impeachment motion, that's a democratic expression of the people, as much as such a thing can be expressed within the system.
How can democracy disregard democracy? The house of representatives(thank you brianjones) has spoken. For the other house to pretend they had nothing worthwhile to say is contempt and not consistent with a democratic republic.
If the senate wants to acquit trump, it must do so on the merits of the case, not some concept of partisanship that FOXNEWS is injecting into the air.
If the senate decides to do this, which I seriously doubt they will, but if they do, I predict the vote will coincide along party lines. When that happens, how will they be able to justify disregarding an expression of democracy based on a concept of partisanship with the same concept of partisanship they are decrying?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26397823 - 12/23/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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go to 8:05
Chris Delia on TFATK talking about the impeachment (~30 seconds)
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26398098 - 12/23/19 06:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnRainy said: How can democracy disregard democracy? The house of representatives(thank you brianjones) has spoken. For the other house to pretend they had nothing worthwhile to say is contempt and not consistent with a democratic republic.
If the senate wants to acquit trump, it must do so on the merits of the case, not some concept of partisanship that FOXNEWS is injecting into the air.
If the senate decides to do this, which I seriously doubt they will, but if they do, I predict the vote will coincide along party lines. When that happens, how will they be able to justify disregarding an expression of democracy based on a concept of partisanship with the same concept of partisanship they are decrying?
You are on your third theory trying to explain what is going on (there was no partisanship, there was partisanship but it's ok, it is democracy disregarding democracy) and still struggling. This is because we are dealing with a system operating outside its parameters and there is no good answer.
You think that people bring up Hamilton, bipartisanship, comparative strength in the Congress etc to protect Trump but the idea of bipartisan impeachment was meant to protect ANY president from being ousted by hostile partisans. Even Pelosi knows it but she got mobbed by the Dem radicals to act in violation of the rules.
The system we have cannot process a partisan impeachment and this is not by accident but by design. In the dynamic balance of power between the branches the legislators were expected to be able to get rid of a rogue president only if there was a genuine non-partisan conviction that it needed to be done.
I understand that in your opinion Trump has done enough to get impeached but there is no bipartisan agreement on this and the impeachment motion should not have proceeded. Not because Trump is somehow special but because he is not - and so deserves the same protection from partisan attacks as any other president.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo] 2
#26398112 - 12/23/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The system is going to process a partisan impeachment just fine.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: christopera]
#26398127 - 12/23/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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christopera said: The system is going to process a partisan impeachment just fine.
And what will the end result be?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo] 2
#26398136 - 12/23/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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christopera said: The system is going to process a partisan impeachment just fine.
And what will the end result be?
Creating the illusion that there's a two party system, when in fact there's only ONE party.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: qman]
#26398517 - 12/24/19 02:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Merry Christmas to everyone!
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26398524 - 12/24/19 02:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26398528 - 12/24/19 02:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You’re just lucky it’s legal to say that now
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: qman]
#26398681 - 12/24/19 06:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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christopera said: The system is going to process a partisan impeachment just fine.
And what will the end result be?
Creating the illusion that there's a two party system, when in fact there's only ONE party.
On economics and war you're right, but there's definitely a two party system on what should happen to Trump. I know Presidents don't go to prison, but that's what my side would like to see happen.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26398763 - 12/24/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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christopera said: The system is going to process a partisan impeachment just fine.
And what will the end result be?
Creating the illusion that there's a two party system, when in fact there's only ONE party.
On economics and war you're right, but there's definitely a two party system on what should happen to Trump. I know Presidents don't go to prison, but that's what my side would like to see happen.
Your side has been suckered into believing that the Dem's and Trump aren't on the same exact page. The Dem's know this is theater, Trump knows it's theater. The MSM knows it's theater. The corporate sponsors know it's theater. The US public thinks it's real.
While impeachment is going on, Dem's don't care about any issue and just let it slide.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/senate-impeachment-trump-judicial-nominees.html
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/12/atrocious-188-democrats-join-gop-hand-trump-738-billion-military-budget-includes
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: qman]
#26398825 - 12/24/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, the hypocrisy is deafening, but it's still economics, war and the Republican Senate confirming Trump's judges. The establishment is playing ball with the establishment, but it is the intent of the Democrats to hurt Trump as bad as they can. Yes, they're probably too inept to do it. I've long maintained that it will be NY state Dems that do him in. When he's no longer President they will convict him of criminal charges. Then he will be the useful idiot that played a role for the GOP. It will be them that played him, not the other way around.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Brian Jones]
#26398994 - 12/24/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Yes, the hypocrisy is deafening, but it's still economics, war and the Republican Senate confirming Trump's judges. The establishment is playing ball with the establishment, but it is the intent of the Democrats to hurt Trump as bad as they can. Yes, they're probably too inept to do it. I've long maintained that it will be NY state Dems that do him in. When he's no longer President they will convict him of criminal charges. Then he will be the useful idiot that played a role for the GOP. It will be them that played him, not the other way around.
i'd bet my checking account that Trump already has his own pardon written up and ready to go.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Tulipslave] 1
#26399061 - 12/24/19 12:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Conveniently, the president has no pardon powers over his own impeachment or state level convictions, at least, according to the constitution.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26399076 - 12/24/19 12:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnRainy said: Conveniently, the president has no pardon powers over his own impeachment or state level convictions.
considering he won't be convicted, i wasn't thinking of the impeachment. i was not aware that pardons only applied federally, but that is a good thing. thanks for the info
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Tulipslave]
#26399078 - 12/24/19 12:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might have people appear on FOXNEWS and say that he does though. There are a lot of cretins out there saying very dangerous, unconstitutional things.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy] 1
#26408284 - 12/30/19 06:44 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Interesting background of the current events:
Mark Zaid, one of the attorneys representing the intelligence community whistleblower at the center of the Democrats' ongoing impeachment inquiry, tweeted conspicuously in January 2017 that a "coup has started" and that "impeachment will follow ultimately."
Then, in July 2017, Zaid remarked, "I predict @CNN will play a key role in @realDonaldTrump not finishing out his full term as president." Also that month, Zaid tweeted, "We will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters."
"45 years from now we might be recalling stories regarding the impeachment of @realDonaldTrump. I'll be old, but will be worth the wait," Zaid wrote in June 2017.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26408358 - 12/30/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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So what?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26408528 - 12/30/19 10:01 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Lee Camp nails the impeachment issue.
There's a ton of things Trump should be impeached for, but the Dems want to impeach him for going after establishment corruption???
The impeachment is covered in the first 8:45 of this video.
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