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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Enlil]
    #26426119 - 01/10/20 07:46 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

And here I thought William Penn was the President. Franklin was my favorite postmaster though.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26426125 - 01/10/20 07:53 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Didn’t Franklin steal other people’s inventions?

I really don’t know how the founding fathers are still praised in the US. They were a bunch of racists with a handful of good ideas that they stole from the French!


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: feldman114]
    #26426128 - 01/10/20 07:56 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I don't think they're praised, per se.  They did accomplish something extraordinary, but it's pretty widely accepted that the time and circumstances had more to do with that than any anything else.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Enlil]
    #26426162 - 01/10/20 08:26 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

By and large the right wing in the US puts the founding fathers on a pedestal as if they were the crowning achievement of humanity to that point.  As such, a pretty good argument can be made for 'praise of the founding fathers', IMO. 


Aside:  the founding fathers moniker is cringey af.  Dont know why, just is.  :shrug:  And I dont have father issues; my dad was one of the best that ever lived.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: relic]
    #26426175 - 01/10/20 08:37 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

The left wing puts Chomsky on a pedestal.  Extremists take extreme positions.  I don't see much value in analyzing the extremes.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: relic]
    #26426180 - 01/10/20 08:42 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

It's damn near a religion. A lot on the right have made up all sorts of folklore and mythologies surrounding the founding fathers. The second amendment is a prime example.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: christopera]
    #26426183 - 01/10/20 08:46 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

That's not just the right, though.  That's humans.  Idiocy seems to be pretty evenly distributed throughout the political spectrum.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Enlil]
    #26426193 - 01/10/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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That's not just the right, though.  That's humans.  Idiocy seems to be pretty evenly distributed throughout the political spectrum.




If viewed as a spectrum, sure. But divided into 2 parties? The right soo takes the cake.

Don’t get me wrong, Places like the Huff Post are full of left-wing bias. Cringeworthy more often than not. But even the huff post has nothing on FOX, amiright? Not even close🤷🏻‍♂️


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: feldman114] * 2
    #26426195 - 01/10/20 09:01 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I disagree.  Maybe you see more idiocy on the right because you're on the left...


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Enlil]
    #26426219 - 01/10/20 09:20 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I concede that, it would make sense.

But, just for laughs, i went to both sites. Here are the current top stories:



As you can see, the huff post is cringe. “Trump defends killing...” - obv biased view. “Collateral damage” - putting words in Republican mouths...

Buuuut... Fox headlines are just crazy IMO. How in the fuck are people still on Bengazi? “Democrats fume at Deadbeat Cortez” - cmon now. And the way they lure people with shocking clickbait that has nothing to do with politics...


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: feldman114]
    #26426258 - 01/10/20 09:59 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Somebody do a quantitative study of the language used on the various news websites. Could be an interesting insight into the reading characters of the various demographics.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: feldman114] * 4
    #26426553 - 01/10/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

AOC is my new hero. Bernie is great but at his age he isn't going to be around too long. AOC will be the front person for the progressive movement for a zillion years.

On this left-right issue, I don't recall the center being worth much to this country in the last 6 decades. They have offered little resistance to continuous wars, ever increasing inequality and destroying the environment.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26427112 - 01/10/20 06:58 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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The left wing puts Chomsky on a pedestal




If you say so.  I've never heard the name mentioned on any of the left biased news channels and cant remember anyone here mentioning it more than once, perhaps twice.  That's not saying I know for a fact that chomsky hasn't been mentioned more, I just dont recall it.  OTOH, mentions of the founding cringefathers seem much more prevalent on both fox and POL forums I read.  :shrug:


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I don't see much value in analyzing the extremes.




I do.  I very much like to analyze and know the extremes since the most dangerous humans--and many of my enemies--often occupy those extremes.


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: relic] * 2
    #26427272 - 01/10/20 08:51 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I have heard Chomsky, ad nauseam in alot of left wing circles. I do agree  the right tends to superhero the founding fathers more. Its a shame, as it is an incomplete narrative (like the  founding fathers distrust/fear of corporations).


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #26427277 - 01/10/20 09:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Chomsky's quantitative stuff is solid, but there are legitimate critiques. The critiques aren't nearly as easy as those for the founding father worship though.

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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: christopera]
    #26429541 - 01/12/20 11:28 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Chomsky was a linguistic.  Why want anyone would listen to him?


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: starfire_xes]
    #26429582 - 01/12/20 12:03 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Many Congressmen are lawyers.  Why would anyone want to listen to them?


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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: starfire_xes] * 4
    #26429644 - 01/12/20 12:59 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Chomsky was a linguistic.  Why want anyone would listen to him?




You're clearly not a 'linguistic'...

I think I'd rather listen to chomsky.

Trump was a businessman... Why would anyone want to listen to what he has to say about politics?


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