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The abuse of power which led to impeachment 2
#26392456 - 12/20/19 01:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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An angle not covered by the mainstream media:
So the Dems won the House and ended up with considerable political powers. But it cuts both ways - these powers are meant to be used only as prescribed in the Constitution.
It is clear that the Founding Fathers envisaged impeachment as a process applicable in transgressions so compelling that addressing them attracts bipartisan support. Despite no bipartisan support for the current motion the Dems pressed on and impeached Trump.
Now a question - was this not abuse of powers vested in the Dems by the voters?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26392484 - 12/20/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course it was. The question is not was there an abuse of power, but will republicans ever go on the offemsive. Probably not since it’s top leaders are rino Zog supporters
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo] 2
#26392627 - 12/20/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you give a link describing this bipartisan requirement?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy] 1
#26392665 - 12/20/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The founders didn’t even believe there would be parties in American politics. OPs analysis is absurd.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: koods]
#26392720 - 12/20/19 04:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im sure OP didn't think of it himself. The Trump posse is prone to saying any damn crazy thing. His lawyers argued in court he could murder people in broad daylight and the state would legally be powerless.
Now they are thinking of saying he's not impeached because the senate hasn't officially received the articles. Perhaps next they will set a retroactive deadline that has already passed and say the impeachment is cancelled.
Then Trump could go around saying how he was never impeached and brag how he defeated his enemies and there will be memes from action movies online and FOXNEWS will call him a genius and whatever else.
As the courts get stacked more and more, this shit becomes more and more entrench-able.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26392779 - 12/20/19 04:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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And it was bipartisan. One independent voted to impeach.
This thread is terrible. OP should delete
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: koods]
#26392829 - 12/20/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Democrats are even defecting to the Republicans now due to the circus their party has become. Of course they are totally abusing their powers by blocking Republicans from speaking, hearings and seeing evidence (any more "unnamed sources" we should be hearing from?)
Just think about all the time and money wasted on illegal presidential harassment by the do-nothing Democrats. Thankfully the satanic left will lose bigly again come the next election. SAD!
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: setarcoS]
#26392837 - 12/20/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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One Democrat left the party. One Republican left the party.
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illegal presidential harassment by the do-nothing Democrats.
Is that you Donald?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: setarcoS]
#26392841 - 12/20/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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T'was the White House which ignored subpoenas and refused to participate.
Do you remember?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26392856 - 12/20/19 05:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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They’re upset because the democrats wouldn’t allow them to use the impeachment process to investigate Joe Biden.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: koods]
#26392871 - 12/20/19 06:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26392885 - 12/20/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnRainy said: Can you give a link describing this bipartisan requirement?
Here is a link explaining why, from the constitutional angle, impeachment was not supposed to be the vehicle of partisan politics.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/fact-constitution-dictates-impeachment-must-not-be-partisan-83076
With this established, what do you think - did Dems abuse power or not?
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26392896 - 12/20/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mis, prefix- wrong, bad, or erroneous; wrongly, badly, or erroneously (misunderstanding; misfortune; misspelling; mistreat;)
Demeanor, noun- conduct; behavior; deportment.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26392898 - 12/20/19 06:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnRainy said: Im sure OP didn't think of it himself...
Thank you for your comments on a wide range of related topics. But back to the OP - do you think the Dems have committed abuse of power? Some reasoning in support of your view will be appreciated.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo]
#26392943 - 12/20/19 06:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Metoo said:
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JohnRainy said: Can you give a link describing this bipartisan requirement?
Here is a link explaining why, from the constitutional angle, impeachment was not supposed to be the vehicle of partisan politics.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/fact-constitution-dictates-impeachment-must-not-be-partisan-83076
With this established, what do you think - did Dems abuse power or not?
It isn’t a vehicle of partisan politics. Trump abused his office by leveraging US taxpayer money for his own personal gain.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26392952 - 12/20/19 06:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Mis, prefix- wrong, bad, or erroneous; wrongly, badly, or erroneously (misunderstanding; misfortune; misspelling; mistreat;)
Demeanor, noun- conduct; behavior; deportment.
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The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: koods]
#26393007 - 12/20/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: It isn’t a vehicle of partisan politics. Trump abused his office by leveraging US taxpayer money for his own personal gain.
With (parts of) only one political party supporting it the impeachment was the way Dems were trying to have a go at Trump - in a completely partisan fashion. The impeachment was intended as a bipartisan vehicle to get rid of a rogue president, not as just another weapon is partisan squabbles. Dems have used impeachment in violation of the constitutional intent which is abuse of power.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: Metoo] 1
#26393010 - 12/20/19 07:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read it.
And I swear to god I hate seeing that fucking ad of the cartoon lady with nail fungus all over the internet.
I wish that would go away.
But in that article I see no argument saying the impeachment must enjoy bi-partisan support. The conclusion of the article reads
Thus, out of respect for the democratic process, a president cannot be impeached to promote Congress’ political agenda. Nor should lawmakers avoid impeachment because of perceived political cost.
Rather, given its remarkable gravity, a president should be impeached for conduct that – if committed by any president regardless of political or party affiliations – so taints or corrupts the presidency, he or she must be removed to preserve the integrity of American government.
Thus, the standard for impeachment must be politically neutral. Otherwise, impeachment becomes an illegitimate device to overturn elections.
The Congress established through testimony that the president personally tried to suspend finalized United States policy for the benefit of his own whims. The Democrats characterized it as being an attempt to tar Biden and therefore influence the election.
I don't know if that intent can be proven but the act of contradicting United States policy in a rogue fashion is enough for me. That policy of the military capital going to Ukraine belonged to the United States, Trump took it as his own to do with as he damn well pleased. It was not his to do that with.
He clearly put his whims before his country.
Ill quote the article's conclusion again
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Rather, given its remarkable gravity, a president should be impeached for conduct that – if committed by any president regardless of political or party affiliations – so taints or corrupts the presidency, he or she must be removed to preserve the integrity of American government.
The president certainly sullied the integrity of the American government with his actions. Now foreign allies of USA can not depend on the word of it's government. You might get one story one day then some guy who the president doesn't know if he's his lawyer calls you up and it's all different now.
For the good of the country that can't go unanswered.
The biggest argument for bi-partisan support in that article comes from Nancy Pelosi herself.
Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told The Washington Post in March that “impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path.”
This article pre-dates the recent impeachment campaign, and Pelosi was responding there to calls for impeachment that were happening then. I think people felt Trump was violating the emoluments clause, and obstructed justice.
But her statement is not a law, or anything official. And Im not surprised some corrupt old lady such as herself ended up sounding like a hypocrite.
The article's headline "FACT: The Constitution Dictates that Impeachment Must Not Be Partisan", after reading the article, I think 'partisan' in this context means 'for the sole benefit of a political party'.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: JohnRainy]
#26393034 - 12/20/19 07:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Impeachment doesn’t change the party that controls the White House. There is no actual change in politcal power involved.
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Re: The abuse of power which led to impeachment [Re: koods] 1
#26393038 - 12/20/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the founders truly believed that impeachment by the house should be bipartisan then they wouldn’t have made it possible by a simple majority of members.
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