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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Forrester]
#26418117 - 01/05/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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I agree letting them grow would not fix them. It is hard to tell if they were full-grown do to the lack of fresh air and humidity. My fruits that are in a very good environment always flatten out even if they start off verticle. I do not think those fruits are very big other than the stipe. But I am used to fruits bigger than my head. None of my fruits end up with vertical gills. I only use top of the line spawn so that may have something to do with it.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26418958 - 01/06/20 08:51 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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I think the other reason for the strange formation is that it was a blue oyster strain (you can see in the earlier stages of growth the blue), but grown at too high of temperatures for the strain. Blues like it cold, even down to near freezing, but they'll grow fine up to pretty warm, like you said already the main problem here was FAE.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Forrester]
#26419203 - 01/06/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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the temps were definitely an aspect of what was happening to mine as well - had a warm streak here and I couldn't get temps in my tent below 67 or so no matter how much "cold" air I brought in from outside.
now they're comfortably at 60, could get lower if we ever get actual winter weather here, and outputting the high CO2 air to/cooling the grow light in my weed tent, weed tent is then venting that air to the outside so that I can keep the rest of the room at a normal temperature. just twiddling my thumbs waiting for flush 2/flush 1 for new buckets I put in so I can see how dialed in it is or is not. Now I'm thinking I should have just put those blocks right outside to be honest, it was humid as shit and basically stayed between 40 and 60 degrees the whole week they were fruiting!
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: trubblesome]
#26420113 - 01/06/20 09:48 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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I grow Amycel 3015 witch is supposed to be a blue oyster. But it does well at all temps for me. Even up in the 90F range. That is the reason I forked out the cash for it. I am glad I did.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26420136 - 01/06/20 10:10 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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SHROOMSISAY01 said: I grow Amycel 3015 witch is supposed to be a blue oyster. But it does well at all temps for me. Even up in the 90F range. That is the reason I forked out the cash for it. I am glad I did.
Indeed that's why I love blues. Mine also grew pretty well when I threw the blocks outside in the upper 80's of summer, fruits were huge with enough FAE out there. Not as long of a shelf life as when grown colder though.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Forrester]
#26420156 - 01/06/20 10:33 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Now you got me thinking I will put some outside this spring or whenever the temp is right. I have never grown outdoors yet. They end up with a lot more weight when grown in colder temps also. I was getting 2 1/2 lbs first flush from a 5 lb sub bag.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26420506 - 01/07/20 07:38 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah the fruits are definitely much denser and better at the lower temps. It's fun to play with throwing them outdoors and see how they do at all temps though, I love finding those random huge mushrooms you weren't even expecting
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Forrester]
#26430054 - 01/12/20 05:22 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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pretty annoyed right now - I was away for a day or so when outside temps and humidity were, well, exactly what I'm trying to provide in my martha. so the fan didn't run as often as it should have, as temps were just kind of at equilibrium in the house, and again, they aren't getting enough FAE. they went from this on friday:

to this today when I got back:

so I'm curious, is there a point where there is too much FAE? Or are the oysters in this photo a sign of some other problem entirely? i've now connected the exhaust fan duct directly to the top of the martha, it's a 100 cfm fan and I've got it set very low, theoretically i'm getting a full air exchange every 5 minutes or so. since I have this pulling air, I moved the fogger in to the martha, and kept the circulating fan inside to keep the air and humidity moving and evenly distributed. Hopefully this is enough, otherwise I think I'm going to have to jump right to a project I was hoping to delay until I have another space all set up for it - the pond fogger in a tote piping the cold, humidified air in to the martha directly.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: trubblesome]
#26430078 - 01/12/20 05:43 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Nope, you can't get to much fresh air for oysters ( exclude kings). It is just a balancing act between air and humidity.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Quadman]
#26430085 - 01/12/20 05:48 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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awesome. hopefully I have a positive update in a few days!
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: trubblesome]
#26430214 - 01/12/20 07:30 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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In my experience blues are the most air hungry among oysters too... it looks like they're in one of those zip up greenhouses, can't you just unzip the front and set them near it? That's what I always did.
Still, it is VERY difficult to get that kind not to be stemmy. Mine used to look like this too:

With a little practice, more like:
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Forrester]
#26430233 - 01/12/20 07:53 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I would set that exhaust fan on its 100 CFM speed 24/7. Set on low as you do and then not running all the time? If I am understanding you right. Its not too much a wonder you are having issues with blues.
You also could be having an issue I had before where the room/house itself just had a higher than average CO2 load constantly. I one time had a 6x6x7 fruiting tent that even with it wide open and nothing holding the sides together and a 20" box fan on high blowing in there. The blues sang the blues like yours.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: Forrester]
#26430442 - 01/12/20 10:36 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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seagu that's wild! the thought that the room is just cursed has definitely crossed my mind, but I have an intake fan bringing the cold air in directly from the outside so I thought I'd be good there. (as I type that I'm thinking maybe CO2 levels are generally higher in winter with all the plants dormant though, maybe that's adding to the problem?) as far as the fan goes it was set to always on, I just figured running near ~25 cfm with the size of the martha it would theoretically achieve complete air exchange once every five minutes or so - before today it wasn't actually pulling directly from the martha though, just from above some slits in the top which clearly wasn't enough. I think I was obviously quite mistaken about how much fresh air actually gets pumped in by an aquarium type fogger. Even after the changes I posted about earlier, I sat by the tent with a stopwatch watching the humidity controller cycling up and down for a while and decided to just go 100% on the fan (glad to see you suggested that!) and figure out a more permanent solution for humidification later. I can just keep filling the humidifier each morning for now but that's not going to be a solution for when I have to be away for a night or two. I really wanted to avoid stepping up that portion of it until I have space in my basement clear where I can more easily set things up near drains/water sources.
forrester those are verrrry dope oysters! that's a good call on the full unzip, I might end up having to do that, I was just concerned about all that humidity condensing outside the martha in places I don't want it, so I was trying to keep it contained and exhausted out to the plant tent where the CO2/humidity can be put to work. I did cut a bunch of slits in it thinking that would be enough but obviously it hasn't been. with it pulling the air right out the top it might be fine though.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: trubblesome]
#26430780 - 01/13/20 07:29 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Yea I was frustrated! 25CFM is way too low for a Martha and blues. Like another experienced Shroomer once told me about Oysters and FAE. Whatever the technical data says for FAE requirements go more, a lot more. Here check this video out from Mossy Creek Mushrooms on ventilation and humidity with technical numbers he uses. You said you are setting up in your basement eventually. Check out his basement grow setup.. and that isn't even his only grow room down there. hehe -
No clue about CO2 level differences during winter or other times of the year. Someone else might know. But I am running a martha during the winter and I am not getting mushrooms looking like yours. I also have an inline fan that can go as high as I think 210 CFM. I forget the exact speed. It is on low and my first flush Oysters look awesome, but for full disclosure I have not filled the thing up yet full, so I may need to turn my fan speed up when there is a bunch of Blues in there letting out a bunch of CO2. Sorry no pics. My camera that had the pics on there died and I don't have any first flush Oysters going right now anyways. Just LM. Gr0wer says you can get away with a computer fan blowing into a Martha, as gr0wer(Myers Mushrooms) even says about his martha, which you can find here on shroomery somewhere. What CFM he used I don't know though. Personally, I am only using an exhaust pulling out, nothing blowing in. That way I don't get spores all over the place. And I didn't have to build no door, didn't need no zipper. Its just a temp setup as I have another grow area elsewhere, so I didn't want to spend any money on it. But it works perfect. Just tweaking it right now as I kick the tires and dial it all in for growing LM and Oysters at the same time.
As far as your humidifier and needing to be away for as few days. You could set your humidifier on a timer so it doesn't use all your water so quick. I have grown great blues by just spritzing with a spray bottle once a day. You could also build a reservoir tank that feeds into your humidifier so that you have more water and lasts a lot longer between needing to be filled. You can find threads on shroomery of people doing this.
With a what I would consider a proper martha setup, you shouldn't have any humidity outside your martha affecting the room its in. I know mine doesn't. I have had both and there is no way I would go back to not a fully sealed grow tent inside a house. That is an easy way to get black mold growing in your house. So, I strongly advise against it.
Hope this helps ya figure things out.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: seagu]
#26430809 - 01/13/20 08:13 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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the mold is definitely a great concern. just to be clear when you said "there is no way I would go back to not a fully sealed grow tent inside a house" you're talking about a martha inside a grow tent? that's what I've got going on, just want to make sure that's what you meant. I really appreciate all this info and help! I do also have a 210 cfm fan I could use, I just really didn't think they'd be so hungry for air. I watched the mossy creek video once before because that's the fogger/humidifier set up I'd like to do. For some reason I blanked on the part where he says the air is replaced once every 2.5 minutes though...maybe I should switch to the 210 cfm fan...
still, this morning the ones that weren't so far gone already are flattening out. fingers crossed they all improve throughout the day.
edit: I guess I should just post a pic of the set up. fan on the floor bottom left is cold air brought in from outside. exhaust goes in to my weed tent, but they're just babies right now. right now the weed tent exhaust fan (210 cfm) kicks on at full strength when humidity from the mushroom tent makes it hit 60% and shuts off again at 50%. going to have to figure out a filter for the spores soon too. anyway - any modifications still to be made?

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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: trubblesome]
#26430968 - 01/13/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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A circulation fan inside your tent will cut down on the need for FAE. A circulation fan constantly moves the air around so co2 can't build up around your mushrooms.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26431110 - 01/13/20 11:29 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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that's what's really throwing me for a loop! I have a small clip on fan down at the bottom blowing at a slight upward angle in to a corner to get good circulation without blowing directly on the mushrooms. I can see the mist swirling and moving around the mushrooms and not hanging in one spot so I thought I was good to go. hoping that sucking the CO2 out directly will get me where I need to be.
thanks again to everyone for reading and offering advice, it's sincerely appreciated. even though they were quite leggy the first batch I had was delicious and I can't wait for more.
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
#26431121 - 01/13/20 11:36 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I am talking about a martha and or grow tent not being completely sealed inside a house with the humidity mushrooms require being pumped into it. I just have a shelf on a plastic tray with a plastic sheet thrown over it. The exhaust pulls the plastic tight and seals everything. The humidity doesn't even go out the intake. It goes right outside. So my room has zero extra humidity. I took measurements to find out.
My fan speed is probably overkill for a martha. So what you are using on high speed is probably good? Maybe? I have 2 others I probably could have used which are some 156 CFM computer fans built for high humidity. I forget all the numbers on space and stuff but my 210 CFM one should be enough for a lot bigger space even going based off equivalent numbers Andrew uses successfully. But this is a more compact area with less free space wiggle room for CO2 buildup. I have noticed for example because of how I cut the bags when it comes to 2nd, 3rd and 4rth flushes they stipe out some because the bags start coming up creating a sort of air pocket. 1st flush doesn't have that problem since the bags are right up against the sub. Maybe turning my fan up would solve that too. dunno. I am actually going to try some other things first. And I probably won't do 2nd flushes anyways for Blues. And I am using the same type of shelf gr0wer uses successfully for small grows with just a computer fan or something, so there are wide parts of the shelf adding to all this that can help to create CO2 pockets. But he does it. He might cut the bags differently for in there. I dunno like I said before still kicking the tires testing things out for my configuration. Which is different than his. And I am working on a design to make it far different than I have seen anyone doing a martha do to eliminate all air pockets around the bags. But who knows someone might have done it. 
I would pipe the spores directly outside. Everyone I have heard of using a filter says it gets clogged too quickly. Even Andrew mentions that. But if you are not growing that much... meh..
The fan you have is piping directly in from outside? Or outside the martha? Or outside the tent your martha is in?
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: seagu]
#26431168 - 01/13/20 11:59 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ah, word! gotcha, that makes sense. The big fan is piping air from outside the house, trying to keep it nice and cold. the basement set up would exhaust direct to outside for sure. just a weird configuration I have now. would probably just rubber band a couple layers of panty hose or cheese cloth on the exhaust intake side for a quick and dirty filter to make changing it easy and cheap.
and yeah for the next little while I really only see myself growing these few small buckets at a time to get the hang of it so hopefully the sporeload doesn't get crazy/I'm able to harvest at the right time. I'd love to quit my job and grow a ton of mushrooms but obviously I've got a bit of work to do before quitting the day job, so just small time personal consumption for now...
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Re: Weird Oyster Mushroom cap shape, Deformity?, ready to harvest? [Re: seagu]
#26431181 - 01/13/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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seagu said: I am talking about a martha and or grow tent not being completely sealed inside a house with the humidity mushrooms require being pumped into it. I just have a shelf on a plastic tray with a plastic sheet thrown over it. The exhaust pulls the plastic tight and seals everything. The humidity doesn't even go out the intake. It goes right outside. So my room has zero extra humidity. I took measurements to find out.
My fan speed is probably overkill for a martha. So what you are using on high speed is probably good? Maybe? I have 2 others I probably could have used which are some 156 CFM computer fans built for high humidity. I forget all the numbers on space and stuff but my 210 CFM one should be enough for a lot bigger space even going based off equivalent numbers Andrew uses successfully. But this is a more compact area with less free space wiggle room for CO2 buildup. I have noticed for example because of how I cut the bags when it comes to 2nd, 3rd and 4rth flushes they stipe out some because the bags start coming up creating a sort of air pocket. 1st flush doesn't have that problem since the bags are right up against the sub. Maybe turning my fan up would solve that too. dunno. I am actually going to try some other things first. And I probably won't do 2nd flushes anyways for Blues. And I am using the same type of shelf gr0wer uses successfully for small grows with just a computer fan or something, so there are wide parts of the shelf adding to all this that can help to create CO2 pockets. But he does it. He might cut the bags differently for in there. I dunno like I said before still kicking the tires testing things out for my configuration. Which is different than his. And I am working on a design to make it far different than I have seen anyone doing a martha do to eliminate all air pockets around the bags. But who knows someone might have done it. 
I would pipe the spores directly outside. Everyone I have heard of using a filter says it gets clogged too quickly. Even Andrew mentions that. But if you are not growing that much... meh..
The fan you have is piping directly in from outside? Or outside the martha? Or outside the tent your martha is in?
Use some nails to hold the plastic down. Use one of those computer fans as a circulation fan inside the tent. Everyone that does not have a circulation fan will have co2 build up around the mushrooms. Don't have the fan blowing on the mushrooms just have it moving air around.
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