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Psilocybe samuiensis, or..?
#26391810 - 12/20/19 02:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Habitat: In grass/mulch roadside enriched with buffalo dung and decaying wood and bamboo debris. Hilly area, forests, pastures and rice paddies around. P. subaeruginascens (unveryfied), p. cubensis and pan. cyanescens growing in the same substrate around them. NW-Vietnam - China border.
Gills: Pale turning dark violet brown. Sinuate.
Stem: 20-40mm long, 1,5-2,5mm thick, even, whitish with bluish base, bruising blue, striate.
Cap: 10-20mm, brown fading to a pale buff or brown when dried, convex to subumbonate?
Spore print color: Spore print not taken, but looks dark violet brown judging by the deposit on the top of one cap and upper parts of stipe.
Bruising: Blue.
Other information: Cannot say whether this one was growing from grass or the mulch. Doesn't look like a definite samuiensis. P. chuxiongensis is a coprophilic species found not far from here and might be a candidate. Sorry for the poor description, only four specimens found and not very experienced describing mushrooms.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391816 - 12/20/19 02:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry guys, can't figure out how to post several photos at once. Here's another:
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391828 - 12/20/19 03:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybe samuiensis seems likely.
Here's some info on how to add pictures to a post:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13674858
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Psilocybe samuiensis has been found in China, so I would expect it where you are.
Your posts today have tripled the number of Psilocybe species known to occur in Vietnam!
I added them to the official list: https://www.shroomery.org/8461/Which-psilocybin-mushrooms-grow-wild-in-my-area
You may also be interested in this paper, which confirms that P. samuiensis is found in China: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13225-013-0260-7
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Thanks again, Mr. Rockefeller! But wait, I've got more 😄
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu] 1
#26391849 - 12/20/19 03:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very cool find!
I converted it to jpeg for all to see:

Please use .jpg format and the picture upload function for further postings: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13674858
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391852 - 12/20/19 04:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll just continue here since the next two are very poorly documented. First off, this one: I believe it to be p. subcaerulipes, since nothing else fits the description. I've also found a report of it being found in Vietnam before. Only two specimens found, but most of my pictures, along with the stipe (haha), were lost, somehow. Well, here's my two surviving pictures.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391854 - 12/20/19 04:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry Anglerfish, shroomery doesn't seem to let me upload my. Jpeg files, that's why I'm converting them to pdf. Here's nr. 2. Please let me know how I can, and how I can post more photos at the same time. Might be that I'm on a phone atm.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391855 - 12/20/19 04:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391856 - 12/20/19 04:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry, keep on hitting submit instead of add file.. Fat fingers..
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391858 - 12/20/19 04:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This last picture doesn't do much to be honest. Perhaps you can take some in situ shots of fresh specimens?
And again, check the link I posted on how to upload pictures directly to the site. Pdf documents are tedious to download and poses a risk for other users in terms of possible virus infections.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391863 - 12/20/19 04:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The gills were not this purplish, more cinnamon, the camera just played me a little trick there. Anyway, only two specimens, roadside close to som pan. cyans. Lots of woody/bamboo debris and, of course, buffalo dung. Found only two. Mistook them for cyans at first. Their wobbly cap and the partial veil made them stand out. The colour was a bit off as well, as the cyans (tropicalis?) at that spot was very orange (young ones), and these were rather ochre.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391886 - 12/20/19 04:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Didn't have my camera with me as I wasn't actually hunting at the time. Sorry about that. I've also found p. subaeruginosa here, believe it or not. That was only two times, two weeks and two hundred meters between. I know it hasn't been found (to my knowledge) outside oceania, but there it was. Hard to misidentify. Could be a very closely related species, but I don't know any living in asia. . Well, I've been searching for it ever since and never found it again. That was 4 years ago. Ok, I've got one more. Found a coprophilic psilocybe about two weeks ago. No pictures, but i do have the dried specimens. Only three, I'm afraid. There's not many coprophilic psilocybes, so can anyone tell me what they might be? I'm blank. It resembles p. yunannensis, but was growing directly from dung. I'll post the picrures of the dried specimens (in. jpeg 😄) in a little while.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391889 - 12/20/19 04:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely could be Psilocybe subcaerulipes. Please keep looking for more specimens, and if possible take good pictures of them in their habitat before and after picking.
Psilocybe subcaerilipes is like an Asian version of Psilocybe zapotecorum, and like P. zapotecorum likes landslides and disturbed habitats.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26391892 - 12/20/19 04:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Very cool find!
I converted it to jpeg for all to see:

Please use .jpg format and the picture upload function for further postings: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13674858
Nice find OP
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391920 - 12/20/19 05:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: Sorry Anglerfish, shroomery doesn't seem to let me upload my. Jpeg file
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Ok, this is my last one, and in my opinion the most interesting find. Again, wasn't hunting and left my camera at home as I was going into the jungle for a couple of days. So, had to dry them. I've only found p.cubensis/subcubensis, p.fimetaria and pans growing directly from dung before this. Cone shaped with an acute papilla. Any ideas? Sorry for the extremely poor work done here, won't leave the door without a camera from here on! Pictures coming...
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#26391949 - 12/20/19 05:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok.. Growing on dung, cone shaped cap, 15-45mm diameter, acute papilla, coprophilic. Uploaded photos in jpeg...
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391954 - 12/20/19 05:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you Anglerfish. Not sure if you can see the photos, I might have to wait till I can get to a place with WiFi so I can use my computer.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391955 - 12/20/19 05:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391957 - 12/20/19 05:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's the three at the top. A cubensis and a subaeruginascens for comparison. No annulus, by the way.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26391965 - 12/20/19 05:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, obviously a bluing species of Psilocybe, but we'll need to see fresh specimens, preferably in situ, to tell more. Or you can ship a specimen out for a DNA sequence. But of course, we really want to see the mushrooms.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26391970 - 12/20/19 06:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know, wished I had my camera with me. But does anyone have any clue of what it might be? Cap similar to a p.yungensis, but growing directly from buffalo dung. If i ever find this species again, it will be documented up and down!
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26392023 - 12/20/19 07:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: I know, wished I had my camera with me.
Never leave home without a camera.
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But does anyone have any clue of what it might be?
If it grows in buffalo dung and isn't Psilocybe cubensis, and you have completely ruled out Panaeolus/Copelandia, as far as I know the only known possibility left occuring in your area is P. subaeruginascens, and even that species is apparently only found occasionally growing in dung.
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Cap similar to a p.yungensis
Perhaps you can specify what leads you to this comparison, since P. yungensis is a species growing in the woods in Mexico?
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If i ever find this species again, it will be documented up and down!
Please make sure you do. You should promptly return to the spot where you found the first ones, if possible. If they're in season now, you're most likely going to find more of them there.
Edit: just got my head around to think about the dung loving Psilocybe angulospora found in Taiwan. Check this link to download the pdf, including a picture that might be helpful:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286931356_Dung-associated_Potentially_Hallucinogenic_Mushrooms_from_Taiwan
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26392055 - 12/20/19 07:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is the one I'm thinking of. Read somewhere that those were concidered synonyms. But not much information on that one. And was not sure whether it's growing directly from dung. P. chuxiongensis is found not far from here, but they look like small cubensis without an annulus. I guess the angulaspora might be the best bet. They were growing in the same spot I'm picking subaeruginascens, but never found them on dung. They're not remotely similar, though. The gills on these were also very pale and darker between.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26392157 - 12/20/19 09:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want to check for synonymous names use www.indexfungorum.org
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#26392240 - 12/20/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilosadhu said: Read somewhere that those were concidered synonyms.
Which names are you referring to here? Sorry a bit confused.
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Anglerfish]
#26392874 - 12/20/19 06:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks Doc! Was referring to yungensis and angulaspora, but it seems I've got things mixed up. Sorry for the confusion! Will try to go back where I found them today. With a camera 😁
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Re: Psilocybe samuiensis, or..? [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26392940 - 12/20/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the way, since I started a thread with rather poorly documented species, I might as well throw this one in here. Brought this one with me one day I was out. Looks like an everyday papilionaceus, but it was bluing on the stipe. It did not bruise any further on handling, however. Next trip I picked a couple of dozens and one of them had the same blue spot on the stipe. Does papilionaceus do this sometimes? Doesn't show in the photo, can hardly see any bluing on the cyans there. I never pick these, though, as I've always considered them inactive or way too weakly active. They're outnumbered by cyans 20 to 1 anyways, so never been bothered But this one just happened to be growing next to some cyans and I noticed the blue spot on the stipe, so I got a little curious.
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