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Intellect the highest power on Earth? * 1
    #26390062 - 12/19/19 05:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Say it isn't true!  It does seem that there is no higher power of manipulation than one of intellect.  What people perceive they think is real, and intellect is very convincing and difficult to invalidate.

It's difficult for people to invalidate and devalue their feelings.  Which are operating behind a veil of thought and intellect.  It's difficult to transcend information because it's a very convincing reality.

Just stirring your intellect.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26390286 - 12/19/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

does the one who harnesses intellect control the world?


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26390388 - 12/19/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Authority has created systems that do hold that grip on intellect.  Then media bombards constantly with an overriding intellectual tone.  A dumb enough intellectual tone to mute out any public debate.  Often they mute out public interest as well.

Authority will always assume you are stupid, and they are smart.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26390531 - 12/19/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

media as opiate controlled by an authority that is a spoilt child?



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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26390547 - 12/19/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Suppose if there is acceptable beauty in the situation, it is there is no single hive mind.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26393518 - 12/21/19 05:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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it is there is no single hive mind.




what about Canada?


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: kitten6]
    #26393571 - 12/21/19 06:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

the drones here are gorgeous


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26393647 - 12/21/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I want to fly a drone. :hissyfit:


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Pinkerton]
    #26395549 - 12/22/19 12:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Intellect is power but not virtue. It can be incredibly destructive when coupled with resentment, erroneous assumptions and opinions. There is a range of intelligence that takes the form of worldly power but once you exceed this it can start to work against someone, socially. Less people relate to or understand you.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26395675 - 12/22/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Say it isn't true!  It does seem that there is no higher power of manipulation than one of intellect.  What people perceive they think is real, and intellect is very convincing and difficult to invalidate.

It's difficult for people to invalidate and devalue their feelings.  Which are operating behind a veil of thought and intellect.  It's difficult to transcend information because it's a very convincing reality.

Just stirring your intellect.



Intellect is not the highest power on earth.
Then again, you already knew that.
Knowledge is above intellect and a number of things above that.

These basics are either understood by an individual or they suffer the painful life lesson. A perfect (negative) case but functional example whereby knowledge is greater than intellect : Using knowledge to turn a lessor person's intellect against themselves. The reverse isn't true.

Why ask this question OP? This seems like a '101' inquiry. I don't follow on with the rest of the commentary. Life isn't fair and is a subjective experience... Lessor minds make empires of their subjective experiences and build fortresses around it. Intellect has little to do with this nor can deconstruct it... The fortress isn't built by intellect or knowledge.. Its built by lessor facilities.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26395743 - 12/22/19 02:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Definition of intellect

1a : the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will : the capacity for knowledge
b : the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed
2 : a person with great intellectual powers


1a, the power of knowing.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy] * 3
    #26396130 - 12/22/19 06:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Definition of intellect

1a : the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will : the capacity for knowledge
b : the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed
2 : a person with great intellectual powers



1a, the power of knowing.




1a : Power / capacity
Power can be turned against you without knowledge.
It's a directionless weapon.
b  : capacity

Indeed I am well aware of the definition of the word and spoke with it in mind. Intellect is literally nothing much less the highest power on earth. Only a person with knowledge grasps this principle immediately which is why intellect can easily be turned against itself? what ultimate power exists in that?

A bullet has 'power'.
But a missile is more powerful.
Even more powerful, a missle with anti-tampering devices so that it doesn't necessarily explode and destroy itself. Even more practical, what power does a bullet/missile have if the weapon maker explodes it in the in the final stage of assembly before it ever has a chance to be realized?

Power doesn't exist in a vacuum. It only exists relative to the thing it seeks to act on/with/against.

People want to play w/ an abstract word for the sake of playing with it vs understanding/garnering knowledge. This is the plight of a philosopher. Off in lofty abstractions of the mind with little grounding in reality.. so the capacity/'intellect' is never realized and is instead turned against the wielder in that it occupies their mind to useless ends. 'Power and capacity' but no constructive outlet.

It is indeed why intellect on its own is a weak power and nowhere near the highest power on earth for it often undoes the practitioner most of all.

Intellect... highest power on earth
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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26397025 - 12/23/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You would know nothing without intellect.

Does a vegetable know anything?

Maybe you think you know a lot and lack intellect to not see what you do not know.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26397179 - 12/23/19 10:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't this what gives intellect immense power? You can direct it to any subject at will, for any period of time. Intellect doesn't need to be designed for a specific purpose. It is multifaceted and dynamic. Not to mention, in control of the knower.

I think that the people here are asking valid questions in an attempt to further discussion - not simply engaging in "lofty abstractions" for the sake of "play".

Morel Guy said it best:
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You would know nothing without intellect.

Maybe you think you know a lot and lack intellect to not see what you do not know.




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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26397202 - 12/23/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

A autistic savant can know a huge amount of information.  Yet lack any intellect to discern and make any use of it.

A book can know a lot, yet have zero intellect.

Without intellect one would know less to nothing.  Knowledge and intellect can be on par and usually is.

Every idiot knows something.  Every idiot online knows everything.

Wisdom is something a little more abstract.  Part knowledge, part intellect, part intuition.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26397244 - 12/23/19 11:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You would know nothing without intellect.

Does a vegetable know anything?

Maybe you think you know a lot and lack intellect to not see what you do not know.



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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26397421 - 12/23/19 01:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Definition of intellect

1a : the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will : the capacity for knowledge
b : the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed
2 : a person with great intellectual powers




ok, so intellect is entirely dependent on the words 'rational' and 'intelligent' (so we need that word defined)
and what then are 'intellectual powers' in this scheme of definitions:

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Definition of rational

(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : having reason or understanding
b : relating to, based on, or agreeable to reason : reasonable a rational explanation rational behavior



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intelligent adjective

in·​tel·​li·​gent | \ in-ˈte-lə-jənt
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Definition of intelligent

1a : having or indicating a high or satisfactory degree of intelligence and mental capacity
b : revealing or reflecting good judgment or sound thought : skillful
2a : possessing intelligence
b : guided or directed by intellect : rational
3a : guided or controlled by a computer especially : smart sense 7c — compare dumb sense 7




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intellectual adjective

in·​tel·​lec·​tu·​al | \ ˌin-tə-ˈlek-chə-wəl
, -chəl, -shwəl, -chü(-ə)l \
Definition of intellectual

(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : of or relating to the intellect or its use
b : developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : rational
c : requiring use of the intellect intellectual games
2a : given to study, reflection, and speculation
b : engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect intellectual playwrights




so besides being not dumb, having good judgement, and or pursuing arts and letters or science or other bookish interests, these words lean on each other for meaning.

should we say "not being dumb and having good judgement is the highest power on earth"?


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26397460 - 12/23/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Essentially you are correct.

Although this reminded me that perhaps stupidity is the most powerful.  Stupidity cannot be fixed and intellect must rely on the commonality of stupidity.  History is often written by very stupid events.  Politics and media thrive on less than evolved ideas.  There's a commonality of stupidity.  Stupidity is guarded in a different way than intellect.


It's also interesting that the subconscious see's more than the conscious mind.  They say primates notice and remember the locations and identity of numbers and symbols flashed on a screen.  Where a human over thinks it and does not know.

Sorta what is different about some autism cases.

My point of this thread was not stated.  I intended a discussion revolving around how intellect is manipulated.  That information rules supreme, that those with the power to control intellect stand high ground.  Even if that intellect is unreasonable, inhumane or immoral, perhaps even "stupid".


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26397607 - 12/23/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

a metaphysics of IQ [or intelligence] should be established.


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Re: Intellect the highest power on Earth? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #26397631 - 12/23/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It would come with a lot of emotional control.


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