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    #26389963 - 12/19/19 03:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hiya

I am new to growing and hope you might be able to offer some advise / assistance please ?

I have a few spore syringes and wondering how long these will be OK the the fridge till use ?

What would be best method of grow to get yeild or ease?

I was also wondering one the jars are colonised how long can u need them in the jars before they have to be birthed n all that ?


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26389975 - 12/19/19 03:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Spore syringes will last a few months very easily as long as they stay in the frige in my experience never kept any for longer then 6 months.

Best method for yield would be spores to agar to grain to monotub in my opinion and some people say the PFtek is good for noobs but yield is not the greatest generally. Still plenty for a few people.

Jars of grain are ready to spawn or birth  as soon as they are 100% colonized, PFtek calls for a week of consolidating after they reach 100%.


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Re: First time grower [Re: WyoMX]
    #26390003 - 12/19/19 03:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Spore syringes will last a few months very easily as long as they stay in the frige in my experience never kept any for longer then 6 months.

Best method for yield would be spores to agar to grain to monotub in my opinion and some people say the PFtek is good for noobs but yield is not the greatest generally. Still plenty for a few people.

Jars of grain are ready to spawn or birth  as soon as they are 100% colonized, PFtek calls for a week of consolidating after they reach 100%.




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Brf Cakes are easy, and a good way to get your feet wet. I don’t like the idea that they’re “noob proof” because you should be striving to perfect your technique, not be careless because something is “noob proof”. MS to Brf cakes will not get you the biggest yield nor is it the cleanest way (ms syringes always have some contams, that’s why it’s better to work with agar as you can clean it up). Ms is also a genetic crapshoot. But you can also try brf to bulk for slightly larger yields. Nonetheless it is a good way to gauge if you’ll like the hobby.

If possible, however, do as above. Agar to grain is superior.


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Re: First time grower [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26390007 - 12/19/19 03:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I just used a syringe that was two years old sitting in one of my drawers, never went in the fridge. Every single agar plate successfully colonized and only one grew trich. Then I used a syringe that I just bought and literally all of them look like I coughed on them and havent seen any myc growth. Long story short is you should be fine as long as they arent sitting in 100 degree heat


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Re: First time grower [Re: narmaduke]
    #26390046 - 12/19/19 04:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fab thanks all !

Agar a definite goal for future! (Any handy how to etc around by chance?)

For the moment brf for my first attempt i recon ...

For the brf to bulk.. any handy tips or recommended how to guides around that u might have seen ? ..

Would u bulk in perline ? Or verm? Etc

Thanks so much again for all help and advise


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26390205 - 12/19/19 07:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just doing some reading up on bulk .. can verm be used ? Or would have to be this coir stuff?


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26390541 - 12/19/19 11:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Rinse said:
Just doing some reading up on bulk .. can verm be used ? Or would have to be this coir stuff?




Vermiculite is used for moisture control and aeration, but it can't be used alone for bulk (well, it probably can, but not a good idea). You can use coir to start with as it's easy to pasteurize, conducive to myc growth, and difficult to contaminate. It's fine on it's own. You don't need to mix it with anything else. Look into coir bucket teks. Here's a good example.


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26390542 - 12/19/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Rinse said:
Just doing some reading up on bulk .. can verm be used ? Or would have to be this coir stuff?




As far as I know, Coir if going BRF to Bulk.

This is the easiest way to prep your coir

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162#24077162

and you mix that with grated BRF cakes.

Otherwise just birth your cakes to either a SGFC or a Humidity chamber after consolidation.


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Re: First time grower [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26390590 - 12/19/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Brf is supposed to be safer for syringes but I personally prefer bird seed. Much quicker.

Coir is like a few bucks for a brick which will make 3-4 shoeboxes, every pet store I’ve been to has it.


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26427571 - 01/11/20 05:43 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

ooo i do like the idea of birdseed from what i've looked at... is there a preferred inoculation method for bird seed?


would it be treated the same as BRF method after it's colonized too  ?


Thanks again for all the help .


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26427641 - 01/11/20 07:13 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Agar is always gonna be best, but I’ve done like 20 grows syringe straight to wbs and never lost a jar. A bunch weren’t perfect but they all produced a lot of mushrooms.

Do a search for grain TEKs. I used quart jars with a hole in the lid, then cut circles of tyvek from the post office the same size as the lids. Then I put a big blob of silicone on the tyvek right over the hole in the lid. Once you have the lid done and have prepped and cooked the jar of seeds you stick the needle through the silicone into the jar and squirt the sides.

Once it’s around a third colonized shake it up and it should be 100% in the next week.


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Re: First time grower [Re: A.k.a]
    #26427694 - 01/11/20 08:27 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

WBS sounding more and more appealing ... do u have to put any other ingredients with the WBS (some TEKs look like they put additional ingredients in)..

and just wondering, could u take a little bit of mycelium from an already complete batch/jar out and use that bit to start inoculating another batch/jar?


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26427719 - 01/11/20 08:53 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I'm still new too, but I can give some advice

the easiest way for a beginner is to do the Uncle Ben's Tek (aka Spider Man Tek) and spawn that to coco coir in shoeboxes. PF Tek isn't that hard but you do have to do more work and a pressure cooker is recommended

spore syringes ought to be good for a long while in the fridge


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Re: First time grower [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26427748 - 01/11/20 09:12 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

No just wbs. Some people add verm to soak up extra water but that’s it.

You could do a myc transfer it’s 100% possible but it would need to be in a SAB and the mycelium from a totally healthy sterile jar.

That’s basically what’s called grain to grain transfer where you colonize a jar and then pour some of it in to new jars and shake them up.

You’d be better off using a syringe and waiting the couple days for now though.


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Re: First time grower [Re: A.k.a]
    #26428050 - 01/11/20 12:49 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Any Thoughts on This ? :


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26428056 - 01/11/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

That looks ridiculous to me. Not even doing it in a sab. I wouldn't follow that tek at all personally.


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Re: First time grower [Re: WyoMX]
    #26428100 - 01/11/20 01:19 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

keep the spider-man tek on reddit, no one here is going to recommend it.


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Re: First time grower [Re: narmaduke]
    #26429662 - 01/12/20 01:14 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Okay, thanks :smile:

any recommendation on alcoholic or any other solution to steralise ??


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Re: First time grower [Re: Rinse]
    #26429697 - 01/12/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Okay, thanks :smile:

any recommendation on alcoholic or any other solution to steralise ??




70% (not 91%) isopropyl alcohol is what people use to SANITIZE, not sterilize. People STERILIZE using a pressure cooker/autoclave (most use a PC). For example people sterilize their grain jars in pressure cookers and will use the alcohol to wipe stuff down when trying keep their workspace/tools as clean as possible.


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Re: First time grower [Re: narmaduke]
    #26429707 - 01/12/20 01:45 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

my mistake, thanks for the correction... don't suppose u can recommend any brands?


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