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Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out?
#26389415 - 12/18/19 07:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I first tried salvia when I was 15. I only did it a couple of times. At the time the only experience I had with drugs was weed, and I didn't know what salvia was. I thought it was some crazy smoke shop product and I didn't know where it came from. I am now 25 and have sine tried mushrooms ect and have a much more open mind about psychedelics but haven't thought about salvia since.
I am now starting to learn more about it, but I know there is a lot of misinformation out there especially when you google search a drug that used to be sold in smoke shops, add to that I've learned you cant trust the media to be correct on anything, so I'm looking for information from like minded (and realistic) people. For anyone with real info out there, what does saliva do to the brain? How does it compare to DMT? Where does it fit into the scale of hallucinogens on the spectrum?
All information, comments and experiences are appreciated, as long as they aren't propaganda you learned from a quick google search.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: blood_vein] 1
#26389493 - 12/18/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Salvia is unique, it is a naturally occurring substance that is effective in minuscule doses. It is hard to compare directly to DMT or tryptamines. It is short acting like DMT and all immersive like DMT. However, it does not necessarily have a paralyzing effect, which can be dangerous.
Except for really high doses, psychedelics more change your vision of what is here vs showing you things that aren't here. Whereas, if you break through salvia shows you something entirely different than what your eyes would see.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26389519 - 12/18/19 08:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree and manybe I was wrong in the way I phrased the question. I am not directly comparing it to DMT. I am more wondering how it individually affects the brain and if anyone has any anecdotal or scientific evidence. I fear since it was sold in smoke shops much of what I read about is propaganda. I don't know much about it other then I used to be able to buy it along side k2, so I'm hoping people can shed some light on it without the bias of the media.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: blood_vein]
#26389522 - 12/18/19 08:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really appreciate your response and what you've said is valuable, I'm just trying to make sure I articulate myself correctly.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: blood_vein]
#26389524 - 12/18/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: blood_vein]
#26389550 - 12/18/19 08:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This site isn't entirely related to your question, but offers one teensy sentence regarding the neurological mechanism of salvinorin A:
"Salvinorin A has been identified as a potent, highly selective kappa-opioid receptor agonist. Experimental evidence indicates that the psychoactive effects of salvinorin A result from its activity at these receptors."
That doesn't answer much, but the rest is worth a read, too.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: static214]
#26389900 - 12/19/19 01:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fantastic questions, answers, and links in here .
My personal experience: I've done 10X twice, both were exactly the same experience, even though they were almost exactly 10 years apart.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: blood_vein]
#26390304 - 12/19/19 08:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have posted extensively about it https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4098635 and about Salvinorin
use the search engine at the top of each shroomery page and type in what you want to find
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26390543 - 12/19/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the responses. Great info and good reading. Really appreciate it! Awesome writing redgreenvines!
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: blood_vein]
#26391838 - 12/20/19 03:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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According to Erowid, Salvia is considered an "atypical psychedelic": https://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml
I would definitely agree as the psychedelic effect is really strange. It acts on different receptors in the brain than LSD, DMT, Mushrooms or Mescaline. I would say its closer to 5-meo-DMT than the other classic psychedelics.
Im curious about trying fresh leaves. It seems thats the best route to use the drug.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26392435 - 12/20/19 01:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Im curious about trying fresh leaves. It seems thats the best route to use the drug.
You can also re-hydrate dried leaves and have the same experience as using fresh leaves.
IME, dried leaves are much less bitter than fresh, and are much easier to come by as well (if you're in a legal state...).
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: physics envy] 1
#26392510 - 12/20/19 01:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a hydrating tek online?
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26397396 - 12/23/19 12:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Is there a hydrating tek online?
Just put your dried leaf in a small bowl and add some water 
I usually just cover the leaf for 5-10 seconds, then dump the water and squeeze out any excess water from the leaf. You'll be creating enough juice when you start chewing...no need to have extra water to hold in your mouth right from the start.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: physics envy] 1
#26398636 - 12/24/19 05:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Salvinorin A, the active ingredient, is a waxy solid substance found in the trichomes on the underside of the leaves. to get it into the blood stream by mouth (as opposed to smoking) one has to grind it off the leaves (moistening and sucking does very little to get it off the leaves, and it does not dissolve in saliva) and one must keep rubbing it against the cheeks (through which tiny particles of wax can be absorbed eventually). this gets to be a messy and green drooling activity, as you need 12 pairs of leaves or more rolled up in the mouth at once, to "get off" I highly recommend learning to smoke small quantities and explore it that way. much less wasteful.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26399115 - 12/24/19 12:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: ... as you need 12 pairs of leaves or more rolled up in the mouth at once, to "get off"
You've been in the Salvia game long enough to know that this is not required.
There is no reason that one has to put ALL of the leaves that they need to "get off" in their mouth at one time. It works just as well to chew some of the leaves, spit/swallow, chew some more, spit/swallow, etc.
And the number of leaves needed is obviously dependent on their size, the person's sensitivity to salvinorin, etc. I and at least a few others I know need less than a gram of dried leaf.
I agree that smoking small doses uses less material, but so what? They're different experiences. And it's not like salvia is un-sustainable.
I just don't understand why you push so hard for people to avoid quidding. Using more material and the possibility of drooling when learning to work with quids doesn't seem nearly big enough of a deal to continually poo-poo quidding to everyone who mentions a desire to try it.
So why all the hate for quidding??
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: physics envy]
#26399124 - 12/24/19 01:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's a quid pro quo.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26400014 - 12/25/19 03:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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more of a - quid no pro
but seriously if you think the drooling approach is more honest, or more traditional, and you want to follow that route of exploration, go ahead. I truly believe that we do not actually have a clue about more honestly traditional, because I think the masters of this were tricky magicians, and unlikely to share their secrets with privileged white explorers.
I think 'quidding' is Maria Sabina's prank on all of us.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26400054 - 12/25/19 05:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried quidding yesterday night with some rehydrated dry leaves (having put them in a glass with water for 6-8 minutes) and it was quite an ordeal to go through the process.
I got 100 grams of dried leaves recently, which are very mixed and it's hard to tell how many leaves I'm having, but I was able to chew for about 45 minutes two different packs of leaves. I don't really know how I managed; I'm not sure I could do it again any time soon. I experienced effects; hard to tell whether they were caused by the dizziness, me not knowing where I was anymore because of the repetitive action of chewing with that horrible taste!
Now seriously, they were quite distinct visuals. And while it was quite mild, I think they varied in comparison to what I get sober or with cannabis in that what I saw didn't seem to come from my room, with my eyes open; but as if my vision was suddently half-drifting to another location. As if some "tunnel" was opened in the center, vanishing point of my vision from which "things" appeared. Hard to explain. I believe with light or when I stood I didn't feel much.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26400994 - 12/25/19 09:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: more of a - quid no pro
but seriously if you think the drooling approach is more honest, or more traditional, and you want to follow that route of exploration, go ahead. I truly believe that we do not actually have a clue about more honestly traditional, because I think the masters of this were tricky magicians, and unlikely to share their secrets with privileged white explorers.
I think 'quidding' is Maria Sabina's prank on all of us.
I don't use salvia 'traditionally', nor ceremonially. I smoked extracts for 5 years, then read about and tried the buccal ROA, and have been quidding ever since (for the last 7 years) while only occasionally smoking/vaping it. For me, the quid experience has been more useful and fun to explore, so it's the one I use most often.
I use salvia in very 'Western' ways...without ceremony/prayers, sometimes recreationally, and even in public at concerts/music events (where a quid+cannabis is AMAZING!. The synesthesia of sound, closed-eye visuals, and awareness that comes from combining immersive music with salvia is hard to describe but amazing to experience as you BECOME the music.)
But you don't really say WHY you tell everyone to avoid quidding, other than potential drooling and using excessive amounts of leaf. Are those the only reasons?
Nobody that I've helped quid has mentioned drooling, but based on your comments I do warn them ahead of time because it *does* seem likely if a new users has a strong experience and doesn't realize the potential loss of motor control. But it's not a big enough deal to dissuade people from even trying.
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Lazaro said: Now seriously, they were quite distinct visuals. And while it was quite mild, I think they varied in comparison to what I get sober or with cannabis in that what I saw didn't seem to come from my room, with my eyes open; but as if my vision was suddently half-drifting to another location. As if some "tunnel" was opened in the center, vanishing point of my vision from which "things" appeared. Hard to explain. I believe with light or when I stood I didn't feel much.
It sounds like you were experiencing threshold effects. They are definitely more noticeable with eyes closed than open, especially at lower doses.
If you do decide to try again, I would suggest using cannabis just prior to the salvia as I find cannabis enhances the effects and allows me to use less salvia leaf. Perhaps this would make it more tolerable in terms of taste.
There are a few different strains of salvia and some are supposedly more palatable than the others. I don't know which are which, but perhaps you happen to have one of the more bitter varieties? I don't know if adding a little honey on the quids might help or not.
Did you happen to measure how much material was in each quid? I find it takes under 10 minutes to fully pulverize a 1-gram quid, and once I start swishing the liquid around, the trip usually comes on pretty quickly over the next couple minutes. At that point I stop chewing and either spit or swallow whatever is left as I think most of the salvinorin has made it into my gums at that point. You can always then insert a new ball or two and extend the experience.
Anecdotally, it seems many people have trouble getting quids to work well unless they have previously had at least a moderate experience smoking the leaves or extract. Have you had any smoked experiences?
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: physics envy]
#26426683 - 01/10/20 02:42 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Salvia is the heroin of psychedelics.
It's like falling asleep - you can never catch the moment it kicks in.
It is dysphoric so don't expect it to provide conventional pleasure.
It is enjoyed by people with peculiar minds.
There are people who enjoy, and thrive from, the kind of Salvia trips which would be classified as "bad" by others.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#26433291 - 01/14/20 02:13 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Dr. Delban said: It's like falling asleep - you can never catch the moment it kicks in.
Over time, I've found when smoking low doses of plain leaf, or chewing quids, I can pretty easily to watch it come on. But when smoking high doses...not so much.
BTW - if you research lucid dreaming, you'll find that it IS possible (although not easy) to fall asleep consciously. Going directly from being awake - to being asleep - and into a dream...WITHOUT losing consciousness...is quite a trip! I've only done it a handful of times so far, and usually with the help of the supplement galantamine, but I'm in awe every time.
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Re: Those with salvia experience/knowledge, can you help me out? [Re: physics envy]
#26443137 - 01/20/20 12:59 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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physics envy said:
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Dr. Delban said: It's like falling asleep - you can never catch the moment it kicks in.
Over time, I've found when smoking low doses of plain leaf, or chewing quids, I can pretty easily to watch it come on. But when smoking high doses...not so much.
BTW - if you research lucid dreaming, you'll find that it IS possible (although not easy) to fall asleep consciously. Going directly from being awake - to being asleep - and into a dream...WITHOUT losing consciousness...is quite a trip! I've only done it a handful of times so far, and usually with the help of the supplement galantamine, but I'm in awe every time.
I managed to do it once, almost, ages ago when I was 14 or something like that. Then my mum walked into the room and ruined the session. I got pretty angry and ended up trashing my room a bit. I have plenty of experience with lucid dreaming, developed it intensely back in the days but shadow entities forced me to leave that path...
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