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SpunkyMonkey88
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How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok"
#26389388 - 12/18/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was just looking to burn up the last of my jars so I put them all in a small tub about 5qts spawn to 3 maybe 4 qts of sub. You guys think I'll be alright?
It seems to be drying out alot, I dont know if that is relevant to lots of spawn or not, just thought I'd mention it incase it is.
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26389395 - 12/18/19 07:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's fine I mean u can literally case grain so..
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: cronicr]
#26389412 - 12/18/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doooo iiiittttt.
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: cronicr]
#26389507 - 12/18/19 08:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: That's fine I mean u can literally case grain so..
9000:1
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: bodhisatta]
#26390163 - 12/19/19 06:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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cronicr said: That's fine I mean u can literally case grain so..
9000:1
Ok right on guys!
Probably has nothing to do with my sub turning a tad dry then either.
It was weird because one side had about 3 inches of good looking sub and then everything else looked on the dry side.
I also picked my tub up one handed by one of the handles where the latches are (smaller tub about 11x12) so it tilted to the other side and then I think some of the sub spilled to that side, which was also the side that wasn't dry....
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26390194 - 12/19/19 07:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe that either the moisture- or the nutrient depletion will be the bottleneck if the sub-to-spawn ration is off. I didn't do many experiments, but I noticed that using about half the grain I used in one occasion about halved the yield, so in my case, it was the grains that got used up while the sub could provide more moisture (and indeed the substrate was quite moist at the end).
I think if you'd run a few experiments you could figure it out yourself. I'm telling you this in the most non-agressive way possible There are so many variables affecting yield that my s2s ratio might be somewhat different to yours.
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: cli_hlt]
#26390272 - 12/19/19 08:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cli_hlt said: I believe that either the moisture- or the nutrient depletion will be the bottleneck if the sub-to-spawn ration is off. I didn't do many experiments, but I noticed that using about half the grain I used in one occasion about halved the yield, so in my case, it was the grains that got used up while the sub could provide more moisture (and indeed the substrate was quite moist at the end).
I think if you'd run a few experiments you could figure it out yourself. I'm telling you this in the most non-agressive way possible There are so many variables affecting yield that my s2s ratio might be somewhat different to yours.
Yeah I know the high ratio isn't optimal as in I know Its not going to be as efficient wit BE but I just wanted to make sure that the small levels of coir wouldn't affect it negatively due to not enough moisture...
I really just wanted to use up what I had...
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: bodhisatta]
#26390813 - 12/19/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive done 3 cups spawn to 1 cup coco with a 3/8in coco casing at spawn
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: YogiBear]
#26390838 - 12/19/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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YogiBear said: Ive done 3 cups spawn to 1 cup coco with a 3/8in coco casing at spawn
I guess the general consensus is that it doesn't matter... well in the sense that it wont cause your grow to fail, which was my main concern.
Someone made a good point, If you can just case straight grains then obviously anything in between that and what ever else most people use is completely fine...
Probably comea down to stretching out your BE as much as possible, which wasn't a concern of mine with this tub...
If I didnt dump all 4qts into this tub i was gonna dump them into the trash...
I'm anxious to be done with these and the fucking pseudomonas bacterial infection I got with them, and move on to try growing out clone cultures.
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26390855 - 12/19/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is a limit though...you don't want a surface of pure grain so with anything under 1:1 I would suggest casing
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: cronicr]
#26390879 - 12/19/19 03:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: There is a limit though...you don't want a surface of pure grain so with anything under 1:1 I would suggest casing
So even just a pseudocasing would suffice?
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26391071 - 12/19/19 05:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep
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Re: How high of a spawn to sub ratio is "ok" [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26391904 - 12/20/19 04:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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SpunkyMonkey88 said:
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cronicr said: There is a limit though...you don't want a surface of pure grain so with anything under 1:1 I would suggest casing
So even just a pseudocasing would suffice?
I love at least 1/4in pseudocasing on all trays no matter what.
Why? Because if something pops up in the first 24hours its usually bacteria which will be a sharp white strings, starfish patterns or little balls. This is invaluable information to me so I know how my clean agar work is coming along. 👍👍
It also protects grains from being exposed which helps them consolidate better. From what people say.
It will help pull mycelium upwards if done correctly for better flushes.
Ive used 1:8 to 1:1 ratios and gotten fruits. Higher ratios get faster heavier flushes.
Look at using liners too that will help drastically with providing great conditions. Check my Grocery Bag Liner tek in my signature. Can be used on shoeboxes or any tray 10x 10 or smaller 👍👍
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