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OfflineCornboySavage
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26380253 - 12/13/19 09:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Kryptos said:
Illegal immigration is not a crime.

It's a civil infraction, not a criminal one.






Illegal immigration is not a crime.

Illegal immigration is not a crime.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26380262 - 12/13/19 10:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

He's saying it's not classified as a criminal offence.  Kind of like how speeding is illegal, but not a crime.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26380270 - 12/13/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

But Im reading online here that it is a crime.


Edited by JohnRainy (12/13/19 10:07 PM)


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26380299 - 12/13/19 10:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This one says that presenting yourself at the border for asylum is effectively impossible for most people because of deliberately slow processing.

“If they don’t give me asylum, they [the cartels] are going to serve my head on a platter,” says Oscar, 60-year-old asylum seeker who has been hiding in different parts of Mexico since 2014 when he left his home in Zacatecas after being kidnapped.

Jesus Christ there's so much trouble in the world.  Are we as humans ever going to try to fix things?

Some of Central America was smashed by the United States.

If the United Fruit Company had gone and fucked itself like it should have and Arbenz had redistributed all that unused land they were holding,  what would be the situation today?  Might have a stable democracy and a vibrant middle class there now, like they were trying to do.  Instead there was a violent coup and terror campaign that included dropping mutilated bodies out of helicopters over cities.

Just imagine Bernie Sanders with his dick cut off and his eyeballs popped out landing on your windshield.

How's that for violence?  A policeman in England gets bumped by a crowd he's controlling and loses his balance and antifa is violent.


More evil shit with Chile and Allende.  Canada took in refugees in from that crime against humanity.  I've met some and they are were all just great.

This is all just empire bullshit.  And what does empire even mean to most of you here?  Nothing.  You didn't get any of it hardly, but there sure is a hate on for the United States in a lot of places.  You got that out of the deal.

Now those pricks from back then and what goes on now are maybe billionaires instead of just millionaires and their culture of irresponsible entitlement has bought your politicians lock stock and barrel.  That's a figure of speech that might be rather chilling if you think about it.

Domestically, empire may mean sheer class domination.


Edited by JohnRainy (12/13/19 10:53 PM)


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26380329 - 12/13/19 11:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Detaining people who are claiming asylum is unconstitutional. There is no legitimate reason to hold someone charged with a nonviolent misdemeanor in jail until trial.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 2
    #26380503 - 12/14/19 02:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How come y'all are so polarized? One sees 'the world burning' and the other sees communists everywhere.. Both arguments are laughable..

Maybe the two party system you have just sucks and makes y'all see in black & white..

A president is just a puppet anyways


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tweeq]
    #26380543 - 12/14/19 03:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Trump has moved on the homelessness issue in America.  By appointing the new head of the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness.


He wanted to ban feeding homeless people. Now he’s about to lead a federal homeless agency

Quote:

The shift in leadership comes as President Trump has repeatedly vowed to crack down on street encampments in Los Angeles, San Francisco and elsewhere in California.





So, that class is definitely going to get to know what it means to be sick of winning and wanting to stop and Trump saying no you're going to keep on winning.


Los Angeles homeless population hits 36,000 in dramatic rise  Almost 59,000 people are homeless across county as housing crisis plagues California

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“We have people living in our … best highways, our best streets, our best entrances to buildings ... where people in those buildings pay tremendous taxes, where they went to those locations because of the prestige,” Trump said during the visit. “And all of a sudden they have tents.”





So the reason this problem of homelessness is painful is because it's starting to inconvenience the ruling class when they have to see these people outside the high priced properties they frequent.  They probably get scared.  I bet there's even been some back talk from the vagrants.  Why can't they eat cake?

Now piss off you beggars and why don't you get a job?  Always wanting spare change for nothing.  Ive got to get into that building to make a usurious deal where Im going to collect millions of dollars for lending money that I don't need and won't miss because Im smarter and better than you is why you're not doing that.

And when this latest butcher job is manifesting in Los Angeles, FOXNEWS will blame the carnage on liberal left wing California Democrats.


Edited by JohnRainy (12/14/19 04:05 AM)


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26381205 - 12/14/19 12:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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CornboySavage said:
Quote:

Kryptos said:
Illegal immigration is not a crime.

It's a civil infraction, not a criminal one.






Illegal immigration is not a crime.

Illegal immigration is not a crime.




Yeah, imagine that. The scary FOX "news" term isn't accurate.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26381277 - 12/14/19 12:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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bio_alchemist said:

Brother! Please read through the Asylum Laws

<snip for brevity>

You are able to and are supposed, to apply for Asylum at a port of entry.





Yes, understood.

As I made that post in the middle of the night--posting while being pissed that repeated flaming went uncorrected--i took literary shortcuts that made my statements incomplete and, in effect, incorrect.

Yes, one is supposed to cross at a port of entry.  Even though CBP has made that nearly impossible for the vast majority because they have slowed crossing of asylum seekers to a trickle, (sometimes only two families a day) one is still supposed to seek entry at an official PoE.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CornboySavage] * 1
    #26381287 - 12/14/19 01:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Hold up dont go making sense now, the leftist might get a stroke from trying to follow that logic




:justno:

We dont all post in a fashion that looks like one is at their emotional wit's end or about to stroke out.  The posts with random and repeated all caps words and phrases sort of look like that, though, and you won't find such posts authored by me.

But thanks for thinking of my wellbeing.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26381480 - 12/14/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Kryptos said:
"Illegal immigration is not a crime."

"Yeah, imagine that. The scary FOX "news" term isn't accurate."






Where on earth do you get this wild definition of a crime? Certainly its not from the media industrial complex...

Illegal alien, is a term that can be found in countless historical political documents and journals throughout the last century!
First immigration laws started with the 1875 page act, and the 1882 chinese exclusion act.

"it shall be unlawful for aliens of the following classes to immigrate into the United States,"

"any Chinese person found unlawfully within the United States shall be caused to be removed therefrom to the country from whence he came,"

Literally every president in my lifetime and surely well beyond has used the term illegal immigrant / Illegal alien

It seriously bums me out that the honest actual immigrants keep being pushed to the back of the line because of the scum who cut in front of them and we have no choice but to pay for and process them first. This is a small part of why my entire extended family of lawful immigrants support our president. (I have a small amount of illegal immigrant family that do not support him) English is my 2nd language, I was the first born in this country. I only know one legal immigrant who does not support our president but at least he still deeply knows the dangerous deception of socialism / communism he fled from to come here.

Legal immigrants are the most hard working, motivated, and pro America people I know in California. Because their experiences gave them perspectives most US born people will never be able to comprehend.

%80 of Asylum Claims are denied because they are abusing a system meant to actually help people in a very rare circumstance.

Tons of NGO's literally teaching migrants how to lie and act in order to pass the asylum process. Hurting honest real immigrants in need more than anyone else

This NGO helps people get into Europe, but we have countless similar organizations working on our country too.




IMO an easy solution is to permanently deny citizenship for any alien found  to have entered our country illegally as an adult. There is no excuse.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26381878 - 12/14/19 06:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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seriously bums me out that the honest actual immigrants keep being pushed to the back of the line because of the scum who cut in front of them and we have no choice but to pay for and process them first.




That’s not how it works. The line for authorized immigrants does not go trough the justice system.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26381971 - 12/14/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

seriously bums me out that the honest actual immigrants keep being pushed to the back of the line because of the scum who cut in front of them and we have no choice but to pay for and process them first.




That’s not how it works. The line for authorized immigrants does not go trough the justice system.




You're right! I am Glad, and I apologize. :eek:

Surely though when it comes to Asylum, those already inside the country illegally take priority to those applying at the port of entry. (I never meant justice system wise, I meant processing application wise)

I also imagine that the $115 Billion+ we spend managing illegal immigration annually could be better spent hiring more people to process applications and basically anything else.

One neat thing we can all appreciate is that most people on all sides could get behind immigration reform as far as speed goes :heart:

The conflict would be how merit based that reform should be.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #26382046 - 12/14/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

US Code 8 1325, improper entry:
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(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.




Not a crime. Not a criminal penalty. Illegal entry is a civil infraction.

Further, US Code 8 1158, Asylum:

Quote:

(1) In general

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.




Which means anyone can cross the border wherever they damn please and legally apply for asylum. There is no obligation to cross at a controlled point of entry, which, as discussed before, is NOT A CRIME.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26382059 - 12/14/19 08:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not only is it not illegal, it is explicitly permitted by law


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26383849 - 12/15/19 06:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Biden confronted by an InfoWarrior



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dreamachine]
    #26384135 - 12/15/19 08:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Why doesn't he ask someone to 'knock the crap outta him"?

"Get him out!  Out!  Don't give him his coat!"

That's what Trump does.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26387813 - 12/17/19 08:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Here's some more.

Under the new rule, only two to three federal safety inspectors will examine pork from afar before it's butchered - instead of as many as seven hands-on government inspectors under the old rule.

I don't quite know what to say.  Does anybody want their pork to be inspected less?  Like, WTF?

What's the big idea?

Quote:

And, according to NBC News, the Trump administration is already poised to take aim at the beef industry, where it reportedly intends to introduce the same new rules.       




Yum.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Tweeq]
    #26388506 - 12/18/19 10:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you dont see communism in America then maybe you need to do some more research. Start the Frankfurt school and how the KGB were actively subverting our republic long before the cold war and look at just how effective they were. If "liberals" have their way then we are on a road to communism whether they know it or not. Theres so much lying coming from the government and nobody can see the truth because all they care about is getting Trump out of office. Well guess what! Impeaching him will accomplish qbsolutely nothing. It wont even put him out of office and it will damn all of your favorite presidential canditates because all of them are senators. Cant campaign if you stuck at a sham trial that wont fruit anyway. This is all bullshit.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26388513 - 12/18/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lol. Communism is essentially a dead ideology, but somehow you people think it’s gonna take over the most anti-communist country that’s ever existed. It’s laughable. You people have no clue what you’re talking about.


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