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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: Shiithead]
#26966521 - 10/02/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i believe you can use any nonpolar solvent. here is a cool basic cheat sheet from ohio state
https://research.cbc.osu.edu/turro.1/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/PolarityofSolvents.pdf
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: redshadow]
#26966615 - 10/02/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redshadow said: i believe you can use any nonpolar solvent....
Why? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.
I used two of the most polar, water then ethanol, and it worked.
Some of those are really fucking toxic too. I wouldn't recommend any of those for anyone without a vacuum pump, a fume hood, an excellent mask, and some lab experience.
Some of those smell a lot too, which could make the neighbors curious if you're doing any quantity.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: nektar61]
#26966761 - 10/02/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ethanol works well too but is a crude extraction and grab smore than just the goodies. the process in the rhodum archives is to create a more refined product. sort of like an morning glory extraction. you can use ethanol alone but you would end up grabbing other things. in the case of morning glories you would get a bunch of stuff that makes you really nauseated as well as the LSA.
The process actually in that archive use both polar and non polar as well, when they say aqueous solution, they mean water which is polar.
depending on the species of mushroom you try to extract from, using water or ethanol alone will also grab urea, ergosterol, ergosteral peroxide, α,α-trehalose, baeocystin, and norbaeocystin from the mushroom tissues along with anything else that dissolves in ethanol.
you are correct one should popper equipment and have some knowledge of chem, otherwise a good ol ethanol extraction is plenty strong and safe/easy for folks who dont know what they are doing.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: redshadow]
#26966770 - 10/02/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redshadow said: ethanol works well too but is a crude extraction and grab smore than just the goodies. the process in the rhodum archives is to create a more refined product. sort of like an morning glory extraction. you can use ethanol alone but you would end up grabbing other things. in the case of morning glories you would get a bunch of stuff that makes you really nauseated as well as the LSA.
The process actually in that archive use both polar and non polar as well, when they say aqueous solution, they mean water which is polar.
depending on the species of mushroom you try to extract from, using water or ethanol alone will also grab urea, ergosterol, ergosteral peroxide, α,α-trehalose, baeocystin, and norbaeocystin from the mushroom tissues along with anything else that dissolves in ethanol.
you are correct one should popper equipment and have some knowledge of chem, otherwise a good ol ethanol extraction is plenty strong and safe/easy for folks who dont know what they are doing.
Yup. That's why I'm sticking with ethanol.
I read somewhere that indoles in shrooms are not soluble in acetone, so maybe a pre-wash with acetone can remove some of that other junk before the water extract and everclear extract.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26966828 - 10/03/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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possibly but acetone is harsh may destroy the goodies, mushroom alkaloids are notoriously sensitive to degradation. and acetone is a bipolar solvent so like the ethanol it would grab and or destroy polar and non polar molecules. plus it will kill you like most solvents. ethanol the only one that the human body can convert thru digestion into dehydrogenase and then acetaldehyde(which is carcinogen on a side note).
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: redshadow]
#26966858 - 10/03/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redshadow said: possibly but acetone is harsh may destroy the goodies, mushroom alkaloids are notoriously sensitive to degradation. and acetone is a bipolar solvent so like the ethanol it would grab and or destroy polar and non polar molecules. plus it will kill you like most solvents. ethanol the only one that the human body can convert thru digestion into dehydrogenase and then acetaldehyde(which is carcinogen on a side note).
Whee.
I'll stick to Everclear and water tincture. lol.
Thank you for the details. Cool to know.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: redshadow]
#26966861 - 10/03/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redshadow said: ... ethanol the only one that the human body can convert thru digestion....
Well, my body does pretty well dealing with water. My dog can do it too.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26967795 - 10/03/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, hopefully it does well with uera as well.
to compare this to a THC extract ethanol would be a shitty cold water bubble hash and the method in the archive is shatter.
the main difference being THC is fatty and you need a vacuume chamber to fully get rid of the solvent and mushroom alkaloids aren't an oil and are converted to salts (a.k.a crystals) when you mix into a acidic aqueous solution and can be collected WITHOUT a vacuumed chamber.
half a brain and some googling and you can get a much finer product than that nasty mushroom goop.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: redshadow]
#26967999 - 10/03/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redshadow said: well, hopefully it does well with uera as well.
to compare this to a THC extract ethanol would be a shitty cold water bubble hash and the method in the archive is shatter.
the main difference being THC is fatty and you need a vacuume chamber to fully get rid of the solvent and mushroom alkaloids aren't an oil and are converted to salts (a.k.a crystals) when you mix into a acidic aqueous solution and can be collected WITHOUT a vacuumed chamber.
half a brain and some googling and you can get a much finer product than that nasty mushroom goop.
What I can't wait to try is extracting from expired mycelium. It has psilocybin and psilocin.
After last flush I'll pick it out of the sub, dry it, and try my shroom tek on it. I bet you it works.
If so, people are throwing away a lot of fucking drugs every grow.
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26968412 - 10/04/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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have fun with that!
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Re: Does psilocybin extraction work like THC extraction? [Re: redshadow]
#26968565 - 10/04/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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redshadow said: have fun with that! 
Wouldn't it be crazy if there's more drugs below the sub than above?
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