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RogerTheRetard
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: doctorghosty]
#26385836 - 12/16/19 07:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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doctorghosty said: Also, Atlantis doesn’t exist, it was just a misapplied name to an already named species like weilii was for caerulescens, we seem to have a knack for that in Georgia
Cool, good to know!
Too many fucking synonyms in mycology, confuses the fuck out of me, lucky we got the bro Alan Rockefeller to do solid DNA work and get to the bottom of things!
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385841 - 12/16/19 07:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Rocke is a legend for sure
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RogerTheRetard
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: doctorghosty]
#26385853 - 12/16/19 07:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So likewise with Psilocybe galindoi and Psilocybe mexicana, correct?
Would Psilocybe galindoi be the misapplied name to Psilocybe mexicana?
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385857 - 12/16/19 07:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Correct
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RogerTheRetard
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: doctorghosty]
#26385871 - 12/16/19 07:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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doctorghosty said: The Rocke is a legend for sure
Yeah I'm a fan of Alan's work. Especially how he confirmed that this specific species I find here in NZ is Psilocybe angulospora!
  This species had been forever getting confused as Psilocybe makarorae until just fairly recently. It's actually Psilocybe angulospora. Psilocybe makaroare does exist, and it is infact a separate species.
I like to learn as much of the science behind things as I can. So I appreciate knowing these things regarding correct naming ect. (OCD)
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26386042 - 12/16/19 09:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not trying to stir the pot but...your telling me that doesn’t look like buried grain spawn? Look where it’s growing from compared to the ground outside the red circle
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26386076 - 12/16/19 09:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greenween said: Not trying to stir the pot but...your telling me that doesn’t look like buried grain spawn? Look where it’s growing from compared to the ground outside the red circle

 Yo fuckoff why don't ya, that collection in not cultivated, it's wild. Stop suggesting otherwise you muppet. Real annoying to be honest.
Either add something knowledgeable to the discussion or leave, everyone except you KNOWS that this collection was crafted by nature. You have no one backing you up here. That is obviously not spent grain spawn.
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Greenween
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26386095 - 12/16/19 09:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You didn’t read my first six words how do YOU KNOW something was wild if you just see someone post a picture of it on the internet? Choose your words wisely
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26386114 - 12/16/19 09:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Speculation is the gas pedal when it comes to science, it’s also healthy for discussion and it certainly adds to it. You seem very upset
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26386118 - 12/16/19 09:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Beautiful work! 
If I'm reading that tree correctly is it saying zapotecorum is the "parent species" for lack of a better term?
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RogerTheRetard
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26386121 - 12/16/19 09:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's just your false assumption, the habitat is witch those Psilocybe tampanensis are growing looks legit to me. I say they are seed pods that are coming from the surrounding grass or whatever.
They just don't look like spent oat grain spawn to me.
And all the other users here agree that the find is not staged, as you are annoyingly suggesting.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26386126 - 12/16/19 10:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said: Yeah I'm a fan of Alan's work. Especially how he confirmed that this specific species I find here in NZ is Psilocybe angulospora!
  This species had been forever getting confused as Psilocybe makarorae until just fairly recently. It's actually Psilocybe angulospora. Psilocybe makaroare does exist, and it is infact a separate species.
I like to learn as much of the science behind things as I can. So I appreciate knowing these things regarding correct naming ect. (OCD)
It was actually Jerry who did the sequencing and matched up the NZ collections with the fairly newly described Taiwanese species, P. angulospora
The only reason for my confusing it as P. makarorae all those years ago was that collections of it were mistakenly included in the published description for P. makarorae so some of the macroscopic and microscopic characteristics listed in that publication are erroneous and the description for P. makarorae needs to be amended.
The first record of P. angulospora in NZ is from 1969 and those collections were included in the list of collections examined for the publication of P. makarorae.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26386127 - 12/16/19 10:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greenween said: Speculation is the gas pedal when it comes to science, it’s also healthy for discussion and it certainly adds to it. You seem very upset
True. I like the speculation, but I think your statement is false and so does Alan Rockefeller and all the other users that have jumped on this thread.
Sorry for coming across as upset. I'm a bit emotional because I'm trying to quit smoking weed, bear with me.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26386132 - 12/16/19 10:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I made no assumptions You made accusations You claimed to not only KNOW things that you don’t, you took it upon yourself to speak for EVERYONE ELSE I never claimed that anyone “staged” anything It’s completely possible to come across someone else’s project Think before you flame somebody, I think it’s in the rules, and quit with the name calling. Those things don’t add anything to the discussion or your posts credibility
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: inski]
#26386134 - 12/16/19 10:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yo true inski, I just was meaning about how Alan Rockefeller confirmed your collection back in April this year to be Psilocybe angulospora...
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inski said: Alan has now got an ITS sequence of my collection below and it is a 100% match with P. angulospora, thanks Alan

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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26386138 - 12/16/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greenween said: I made no assumptions You made accusations You claimed to not only KNOW things that you don’t, you took it upon yourself to speak for EVERYONE ELSE I never claimed that anyone “staged” anything It’s completely possible to come across someone else’s project Think before you flame somebody, I think it’s in the rules, and quit with the name calling. Those things don’t add anything to the discussion or your posts credibility
Yo true, I'm so sorry for flaming you that was not mature of me!!!
I just really don't think that is spent spawn though, I personally believe that environment to be a wild occurrence. 
So I came across a dickhead, but like I say, it's the marijuana withdrawals, I'm not chill unless I'm stoned.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: bloodycarcass]
#26386141 - 12/16/19 10:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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bloodycarcass said:

Looks like an undisturbed naturally occurring environment to me, I'm sure the mushrooms did not fruit from spent mycelium from someones tampanensis cultivation project.  Again, I apologize for flaming. 
Everyone is entitled to their own speculation though. 
I for one speculate the collection to be a wild occurrence. And should have stated so without the nastiness. Sorry Greenween!
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26386144 - 12/16/19 10:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said: Yo true inski, I just was meaning about how Alan Rockefeller confirmed your collection back in April this year to be Psilocybe angulospora...
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inski said: Alan has now got an ITS sequence of my collection below and it is a 100% match with P. angulospora, thanks Alan

That's true, he did get sequences but Jerry already did the work, that's all.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: inski]
#26386148 - 12/16/19 10:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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inski said:
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RogerTheRetard said: Yo true inski, I just was meaning about how Alan Rockefeller confirmed your collection back in April this year to be Psilocybe angulospora...
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inski said: Alan has now got an ITS sequence of my collection below and it is a 100% match with P. angulospora, thanks Alan

That's true, he did get sequences but Jerry already did the work, that's all.
Nice one inski, it's good that all the up there mycologists can collaborate to decipher shit and come up with up to date taxonomy for psilocybe species. 
I like to keep up to date with the taxonomy.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26386210 - 12/16/19 11:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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DnDRnD said: Beautiful work! 
If I'm reading that tree correctly is it saying zapotecorum is the "parent species" for lack of a better term?
The tree shows that zapotecorum is in a separate clade that shares a common ancestor with all of the other species in the tree. So all of the other species shown are more closely related to each other than they are to zapotecorum.
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