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Why do building codes exist?
#26385930 - 12/16/19 08:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel like I should be able to build whatever the fuck I want without government intervention. Like as long as nobody is getting hurt but even then it should be like a waiver or something. I once had a boss tell me that if anyone comes to the job site and asks for a building permit that I'm supposed to say "it's back where you came from"
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex] 2
#26385978 - 12/16/19 08:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it used to be more common for big out of control fires to rage across cities when it was more "anything goes."
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex] 3
#26385983 - 12/16/19 08:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Usually because structures have collapsed, burned, or other and people have died.
Same with safety codes in the work place and aviation laws. All those stupid rules are because someone fucked up and a bunch of people died.
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Building codes exist in case Billy Bob Buttfuck and his unclebrother decide to build their own house. Then when they hear gators is goin for two shillins more on the other side of the bayou and decide to move, the nice couple that buys their house has more than their word to go on that the ceiling fan isn’t gonna cut their infant’s head off when one of them flushes the toilet.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: PopaCap]
#26386068 - 12/16/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel like a waiver solves this problem. Bulldoze the building or achnowlage what the building actually IS
I feel like it's just another excuse for the government to stick its thumb in my pie when sales tax covers everything they or their grandchildren could ever hope for.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386075 - 12/16/19 09:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ichugwindex said: I feel like a waiver solves this problem. Bulldoze the building or achnowlage what the building actually IS
I feel like it's just another excuse for the government to stick its thumb in my pie when sales tax covers everything they or their grandchildren could ever hope for.
that's big government for ya
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: Niffla] 1
#26386079 - 12/16/19 09:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Niffla. You rock.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex] 5
#26386084 - 12/16/19 09:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would you let your neighbour set up an make shift oil refinery next door? No? So maybe you need zoning laws.
Would you risk him burning down the neighbourhood with makeshift electrical work? No maybe electrical code and inspectors are needed
He didn't want to pay for plumbing and sewage, so now he's got a lagoon of shit in the backyard. Sound like fun?
Sure plumbing code about having the drain exactly 16 inches from whatever seems arbitrary and stupid, but craftsmen that know what the fuck they are doing for decades have made these recommendations and they are the best practices that save lives and keep society going.
If you want to spackle together a shack you can move out to the sticks and no one will probably care. If you are too cheap to pay to have it done to the bare minimum standard, that's too bad. It isn't all about you. There are counties you can live in that don't require building permits, inspectors or any of that shit, but buyer beware. Who knows what you are getting and houses in those counties don't hold their value worth a shit because no one knows what has been done to a property.
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I mean as soon is it effects someone outside if the property sure crucify them. But if I wanna build sections onto my home what's the big deal? Why does the city/state get a cut for shit that doesnt involve them? I love that the whole "omg just move countries" thing is being pushed on people that could never afford to leave. That's a big part of the problem. Many people who would love to flee the country are stuck here because its stay VS starve
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex] 1
#26386100 - 12/16/19 09:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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He said counties.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: psi]
#26386104 - 12/16/19 09:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still applicable
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This answer is pretty obvious. Most people don't know how to build, plumb, wire, roof, and so on. I'm an electrical contractor and have seen a lot of fucked up stuff. 70% of my job is fixing something that someone else did and didn't know what they were doing or took a dangerous shortcut. Even a lot of contractors fuck stuff up and the inspector usually catches it, but when he doesn't then there are expensive repairs, total losses, and death.
When you're a contractor and work with the same inspectors all the time then they get to know your work and work ethic. If they like your work then they stop looking at your job because they know you did it right and that is when it gets dangerous.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26386137 - 12/16/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what I want accounts for 70% (these are your numbers) of your job but you are still apposed to it?
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386146 - 12/16/19 10:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ichugwindex said: I mean as soon is it effects someone outside if the property sure crucify them. But if I wanna build sections onto my home what's the big deal? Why does the city/state get a cut for shit that doesnt involve them? I love that the whole "omg just move countries" thing is being pushed on people that could never afford to leave. That's a big part of the problem. Many people who would love to flee the country are stuck here because its stay VS starve
You have no business building sections into your house if you can’t follow simple rules
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386163 - 12/16/19 10:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ichugwindex said: So what I want accounts for 70% (these are your numbers) of your job but you are still apposed to it?
Yes. Why, are you thinking that I won't have that 70% of work to do?
This work is stuff that needs to be done so if they don't do it themselves then they will call me to do it and I will do it right the first time. I should say too that most of the time it isn't the homeowner that does it wrong, it is a "Handyman" or an unlicensed "Electrician" that they pay to do it wrong.
Calling me first will save them a lot of money too because it takes the "Handyman" time to do it the wrong way and they usually use the wrong materials. I have to spend time to inspect their work, explain why it is wrong, and then rip out their materials/work and fix whatever they messed up and then throw away their stuff. Then I take time to do it the right way.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#26386196 - 12/16/19 11:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A handyman is a jack of all trades, master of none. 
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: psi]
#26386239 - 12/17/19 12:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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psi said: I think it used to be more common for big out of control fires to rage across cities when it was more "anything goes."
Didn't have to look far for the correct answer. Besides conflagrations- regular structural/vegetation fires, especially in conjunction with or as a a result of earthquakes or volcanic activity (read: tsunamis/tornadoes as well) are the most direct reasons. On a more practical scale, firefighters are highly concerned with the specific components of individual buildings/structures because the more they know about the construction type and materials, the more of an understanding or reasoning they can exhibit around tactical fireground operations. This pertains to collapse rates/zones, estimated structural integrity timelines, rescue tactics and approaches, water load limitations on structural stability and many more features of the on the ground fireground operational guidelines.
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You might not be surprised that multiple building collapse/failures especially during otherwise routine fires have been an immediate result of overloading the structure by weight. Overloading of hazardous or flammable materials near key structural connections is another. Everything fails to fire, it's just a matter of time and intensity. Hey, even the twin towers were melted by jet fuel + impact.
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Guess I just have to go super secret to build anything. Nothing wrong with that I guess. Something in the back of my head says it's wrong to have to hide it though
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386270 - 12/17/19 01:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So basically konami code fucked da vinci code and that code fucked the code of conduct and that's where building codes come from?
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You're right. Its spiritually fucked up for others to decide what I can/cannot build and it's literally my god given right to build any structure however I want withought the intervention of these spiritually deprived militant atheists.
These building "codes" are standing between me and jesus and that's that.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386275 - 12/17/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Depends on where you be. I think a lot of (residential) places outside of major cities would not require any sincere sense of operational security regarding the evasion of new construction not up to code...I also think the point of the code is to protect you and yours from dying in a horrific fire or collapse; but use your best judgement. Obviously the permitting costs associated are utterly non-libertarian but the principle of the matter basically stems from near miss reports and "green sheets" in the fire service industry. One or more firefighters + civilians have died for every incident that somehow becomes code.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386281 - 12/17/19 01:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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In aus if it stands unnoticed for 10 years it's considered retroactively approved. Loads of people do extensions without development approval here. You could check out your local legislation, and see if there's something similar.
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Here it is again "codes"
Codes for satan himself. Every line of this hateful scripture of "building code" and "property rights" keeps us away from the Allmaker himself
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Edited by ichugwindex (12/17/19 01:21 AM)
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: brk]
#26386347 - 12/17/19 02:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what's up with this tithe just to continue on? They could pay for the whole goddamn planet just off sales taxQuote:
brk said: In aus if it stands unnoticed for 10 years it's considered retroactively approved. Loads of people do extensions without development approval here. You could check out your local legislation, and see if there's something similar.
So if I can survive the ubsurd video game tier wildlife I can build whatever? If so maybe I'll say "my flock and I" when referring to building projects.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26386367 - 12/17/19 02:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because people always manage to fuck shit up in impressively improbable ways.
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"In aus if it stands unnoticed for 10 years it's considered retroactively approved"
I'd be careful with that shit. I used to work for the city and lots of times you'd discover work done with no permit. Then it's like that pool you built is one foot too close to the house, fill it in and start again. I still talk to people who work there now they check your property via satellite don't even need to visit.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: viraldrome] 2
#26386647 - 12/17/19 08:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There were several really really bad fires and collapses at the turn of the last century that created the modern building codes we see today. If you look them up some of them were like hundreds of people died in a clip. we still see this sometimes in other countries with less strict fire and building codes where there'll be a major collapse and mad ppl die. The engineering or rather lack there of and physics on some of these that cause some of the most fantastic catastrophic structural failures are truly fascinating. But yeah I think it was mostly the fires and things like dams and bridges going that did it. Chicago, Baltimore, San Fran. Hell the great molasses flood of Boston which reached its centennial this year. The St. Fransis dam. South Fork dam of 1889 more than 2000 lost, unbelievable devistation. Of course one can never forget the Iroquois Theater fire. I believe it was something like 600 people died that night. I mean that's pretty extreme.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chicago_Fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_New_York_(1776)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Pittsburgh
Here's a few of those fires, and without building codes we'd likely see more.
The "i don't see how it benefits me so it should be abolished" attitude really only proves how myopic people can be.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: christopera]
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: PopaCap]
#26387152 - 12/17/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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PopaCap said: Building codes exist in case Billy Bob Buttfuck and his unclebrother decide to build their own house. Then when they hear gators is goin for two shillins more on the other side of the bayou and decide to move, the nice couple that buys their house has more than their word to go on that the ceiling fan isn’t gonna cut their infant’s head off when one of them flushes the toilet.
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so contractors don’t cut corners and destroy lives/homes/businesses/cities for a little extra profit
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: lovecheese]
#26388428 - 12/18/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What about incidents like that club that went up in flames and people couldn't get out because they were over capacity and everyone was struggling to get everyone else out of their way?
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: lovecheese]
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lovecheese said: so contractors don’t cut corners and destroy lives/homes/businesses/cities for a little extra profit
Sometimes, that's why their work is supposed to be checked by inspectors. Contractors usually know where they can safely cut corners and they definitely don't cut as many as a homeowner would.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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yah but that's not even why tho cuz for a while if you ripped people off with shotty work you were considered just a savvy businessman. it took people fucking dying a bunch for laws to actually come down on it.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: MycoBrainz] 1
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Im all for building codes not existing. It would let natural selection work at a faster pace
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: yah but that's not even why tho cuz for a while if you ripped people off with shotty work you were considered just a savvy businessman. it took people fucking dying a bunch for laws to actually come down on it.
No, ripping people off was never considered being a savvy business man. Yes, some codes are made because people have died and others are to prevent death or injury. When electricians first started installing lines I think about 50% of them would die on the job because it wasn't fully understood yet.
IMO not wanting bulding and local codes is really dumb. It effects everybody, not just the people living in a shitty house. In some cases government regulation is great, and this is one of those cases.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: Lophosaurus] 1
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Building codes are the difference between near total destruction in Port-au-Prince after a 7.0 earthquake and almost no destruction after a 9.0 in Tokyo.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: koods]
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That is not a fair comparison.... If I had gundams none of my shit would break either
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: koods]
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Building codes could have kept 100 people from dying in 10 minutes when this bar caught on fire due to the use of flammable materials and insufficient emergency exits.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: koods]
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Building codes exist so you dont end up killing yourself or family or anyone living around you. They exist for a reason, if there was no plumbing codes there would be a lot of problems. Some codes seem pretty over the top but it's about safety.
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Regulations in general are rarely arbitrary. They are created after learning from experience.
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Re: Why do building codes exist? [Re: ichugwindex]
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ichugwindex said: I feel like I should be able to build whatever the fuck I want without government intervention. Like as long as nobody is getting hurt but even then it should be like a waiver or something. I once had a boss tell me that if anyone comes to the job site and asks for a building permit that I'm supposed to say "it's back where you came from"
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