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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#26382330 - 12/14/19 10:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are clearly seeds that’s why I suggested that is spent substrate. Spawn is grass seed. Oats are grass seeds dude Looks just like how I used to bury my spent Tampanensis jars after I harvested the stones.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween] 1
#26382369 - 12/14/19 10:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah and grasses also grow out in nature. Bloody wouldn't stage a find man. Would be nice to keep this cool thread on topic.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: breeg89] 1
#26382447 - 12/14/19 11:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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breeg89 said: Yeah and grasses also grow out in nature. Bloody wouldn't stage a find man. Would be nice to keep this cool thread on topic.
Agreed, this is definitely a wild find.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#26382454 - 12/14/19 11:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: bloodycarcass]
#26383098 - 12/15/19 10:43 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bloodycarcass, Beautiful find, looks like a similar habitat that I found wild sclerotia at the base of some fruit and a couple that had been washed up to the surface after a hard rain.
I personally believe that multiple Psilocybe species have always been in Georgia, The problem is that the majority of shroomers in the Southeast were only aware of Psilocybe cubensis as being the only psychoactive mushroom species. Now, with sites like shroomery, mushroom observer and other similar sites, more people are becoming aware of what's growing in their area and are able to get help identifying their mushrooms, whereas before books were the only source and they were far and few between and not a lot of help to most people because of poor pictures and the wordy text.
I believe that as more people get out and look, sharing observations and spores, we will see a much wider distribution range in the future and not necessarily due to cultivation but more with observations that were overlooked before in certain areas.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Doc9151]
#26383340 - 12/15/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never dug anything up to see if there were any scerotia present just heard Formally known Ps. atlantis was. Though Ive only found a handful if that at a time.
And I agree until I found this site that was my understanding, when I first heard about them as a kid. This site definitely helped a lot over the years.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Doc9151]
#26384419 - 12/16/19 02:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Bloodycarcass, Beautiful find, looks like a similar habitat that I found wild sclerotia at the base of some fruit and a couple that had been washed up to the surface after a hard rain.
I personally believe that multiple Psilocybe species have always been in Georgia, The problem is that the majority of shroomers in the Southeast were only aware of Psilocybe cubensis as being the only psychoactive mushroom species. Now, with sites like shroomery, mushroom observer and other similar sites, more people are becoming aware of what's growing in their area and are able to get help identifying their mushrooms, whereas before books were the only source and they were far and few between and not a lot of help to most people because of poor pictures and the wordy text.
I believe that as more people get out and look, sharing observations and spores, we will see a much wider distribution range in the future and not necessarily due to cultivation but more with observations that were overlooked before in certain areas.
I believe you hit the nail on the head doc. I am super excited to get out and find some sclerotia here this year. As well as all the cinctilus I was throwing away instead of printing.
Thanks Mr. Alan for the informative share!
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#26385619 - 12/16/19 06:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Breaking news: Yesterday I got DNA sequence data from the sclerotia forming strain ATL7. It is Psilocybe tampanensis.
Hi Alan, thank you for all the DNA data work you do to decipher the exact psilocybe species in question.  I have a sporeprint of this variety, it is labeled Psilocybe galindoi var. ATL7, should I relabel this as Psilocybe tampanensis var. ATL7?
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Alan Rockefeller said: Psilocybe galindoi is really Psilocybe mexicana, however what is going around as Psilocybe galindoi is Psilocybe tampanensis.
So you are saying that Psilocybe galindoi and Psilocybe mexicana are the same species?
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385656 - 12/16/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said:
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Alan Rockefeller said: Breaking news: Yesterday I got DNA sequence data from the sclerotia forming strain ATL7. It is Psilocybe tampanensis.
Hi Alan, thank you for all the DNA data work you do to decipher the exact psilocybe species in question.  I have a sporeprint of this variety, it is labeled Psilocybe galindoi var. ATL7, should I relabel this as Psilocybe tampanensis var. ATL7?
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Alan Rockefeller said: Psilocybe galindoi is really Psilocybe mexicana, however what is going around as Psilocybe galindoi is Psilocybe tampanensis.
So you are saying that Psilocybe galindoi and Psilocybe mexicana are the same species?
If im not mistaken galindoi is mexicana. atlantis is tampanensis
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: bloodycarcass]
#26385683 - 12/16/19 06:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay, so the true Psilocybe galindoi is synonymous with Psilocybe mexicana.
And the Psilocybe galindoi var. ATL#7 going around in the cultivation community is actually Psilocybe tampanensis var. ATL#7.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385710 - 12/16/19 06:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck, another thing.. Is Psilocybe atlantis a synonym of Psilocybe tampanensis ?
Or are P. atlants and P. tampanensis separate species?
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385724 - 12/16/19 06:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said: Fuck, another thing.. Is Psilocybe atlantis a synonym of Psilocybe tampanensis ?
Or are P. atlants and P. tampanensis separate species?
There is no atlantis. Whats known as atlantis is tamanensis. And whats been going around as galandoi is also tampanensis
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385737 - 12/16/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385764 - 12/16/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So the ATL #7 variety that Workman released into the community is not Psilocybe galindoi, but is in fact Psilocybe tampanensis.
That is honestly good to know, because I have these genetics under Psilocybe galindoi var. ATL #7. Will proceed to re-label this as Psilocybe tampanensis var. ATL #7. Cheers Alan for figuring this one out.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385784 - 12/16/19 07:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does Psilocybe atlantis exist in the wild?
Is Psilocybe atlantis not a separate species to Psilocybe tampanensis?
Is Psilocybe altantis just a synonym for Psilocybe tampanensis all along?
Sorry, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385790 - 12/16/19 07:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Another question, fuck!
Are Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe tampanesis different species or the same?????
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385812 - 12/16/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe tampanensis are separate species?
Am I right?
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26385825 - 12/16/19 07:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said: Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe tampanensis are separate species?
Am I right?
Correct
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: doctorghosty]
#26385829 - 12/16/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said: Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe tampanensis are separate species?
Am I right?
Correct
Okay cool! Thought so...
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: doctorghosty]
#26385830 - 12/16/19 07:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, Atlantis doesn’t exist, it was just a misapplied name to an already named species like weilii was for caerulescens, we seem to have a knack for that in Georgia
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