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Let's grow some mold 4
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 It's plagued me for the past month figured I may as well let you watch
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26385715 - 12/16/19 06:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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never thought to check bricks at all. figured they werent nutritious enough to carry like that.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Phycus]
#26385726 - 12/16/19 06:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interested to see if those few seeds actually develop a problem. that myc looks really nice, taking notes!!
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Those will likely be colonized by tomorrow night. Idk anymore I just keep getting penicillium in my coir once spawned. Sfd's poly and no mod lids all seem to colonize fine recover fine...who knows I don't really care too much
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr] 2
#26385775 - 12/16/19 07:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Problems are shitty when the cause isn't easy to pinpoint. I realize that is some captain obvious shit right there, just sayin'
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i think i get penicillium more than trich
that dark forest green shit pushed up against the side of my tubs 


might be that aspergillus
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
#26386161 - 12/16/19 10:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I have a real hate for it lately I'll spawn a couple of Averys tomorrow to a mini mono than some pe/ halo after that, just bucket tek'd a brick so we shall soon see but I've lost so many in the past month I don't have much hope I just tossed all the cultures out and will start there from scratch and switch to strait no mod lids and pick up some manure asap
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26386185 - 12/16/19 11:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been having nothing but green tubs, I grabbed the big ass coir blocks from Walmart. Came home to find this in one if my tubs that hasn't gone green yet.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
#26386189 - 12/16/19 11:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: might be that aspergillus
More aspergillus looking?
Aspergillus Species Identification
Aspergillus flavus left, Penicillium cyclopium right
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This right here is a big fuck you. Nevermind all the fuckery besides the stubborn uncolonized grain, it's 7 week old semperviva so that's all good. But give these a shake and it's doomed.

Here's where it should be.
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Yeah my hoogs did the same
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Don't feel bad Cron, been having the same issue compounding over the last year and exploding since august. In fact I am kinda relieved you are posting this. Gives me a chance to weasel in a confession but of course not glad you may be pulling your hair out too.  The only two variables that have stood out for me from when I was killing it, to now punching mono tubs, have been that it started when I switched to oats and the loss of my wife. My villain this summer has been penicillium but is manageable to get fruits if not welcome compared to the minty smelling green beast but I have been seeing to many plant sprouts on week 2 lately and increasing surface trich on suido coir casing layers on day 4 for the last 2 months. Now I'm pondering how much nutritional crap the coir is being cut with lately on the eco earth brand. 
It is like one step forward and two steps back. Cultures have looked clean as they have before this mess and the ones I have a split second doubt on have been tossed to the back burner for pins because the weak will not survive this current battle campaign. Just in case I've got some really sneaky bacteria; I have done hot pours, sandwiches, brf pucks, keeping the plates in ziplocks, doubling the parafilm and seriously pondering if I have become cursed.
New SFD's longer PC times, new seals, pressure weight, different oat preps, control jars of oats where some held fine others went wet with bacteria after 3 hour pc runs at 15-20 PSI.
After a nice heavy trip last week and pondering, "what the fuck am I missing here and how much more can I tighten up my procedures? I am not a superstitious man but I'm about ready to settle on being cursed at this point and the stress is weighing heavy on me!!" The unstoppable epiphany of, "your grows are reflecting your inner self, " slammed into my mind mid thought of the sentence".
Gotta love them cryptic fucking trip messages. 
Could be true, I aint big on the whole energy mojo thing and your quote has been my guide and reference to successes. Combine that with pasty's and mushboys description of working conditions: "It doesn't matter what I think of you...all that matters is clean spawn". I mean it's no fucking rocket science, clean spawn is healthy spawn. That fucking line has run through my head the last two years during SAB sessions and spawns. Anyways, since my wife died my burning desire to grow has just became a smoldering desire and a chore of love. It feels like one of those relationsships were ya both like the idea of being together but everything else is a messy delusion of the thought. I think the bottom line is that nothing is bright anymore I have not had an honest laugh or smile in over a year outside of the psychedelic experience. A large part of me died with her and It is never comming back. Somtimes I dont even recognize my own self. No amount of drugs will fill the void, no hobby, no amount of work, no amount play will eclipse the void anymore. Only the curiosity of what our species will do next kinda keeps me going and boy do we live in very interesting if not uncertain times as of now. It feels like we are on the pinnacle of a miracle or certain doom and I wanna witness it if the body allows.
Mabye I just don't care anymore and just keep keeping on it because I don't take failure lightly and want to adapt and overcome.
So after my epiphany I have reverted back to WBS for one more shot since all this shit went down after switching to oats. It is the one variable I haven't changed yet. I never wanted to be a oat hater but I am running out of variables to change at this point. Seems like it's that cheap screw that costs more money when ya need a shot of penicillin every month when ya could have just simply hand jobbed yourself. Hope I'm wrong and excel rather than replace in the end cause I love oats, not messy and stupid easy and quick to prep.
I will definently be looking at this thread to see the advise and alternative angles. For me I'm taking my mystical advise from my conscience or what ever it is on taking a break from cultivation and focus on me. I'll just sticking to running cultures. I mean shit, that's just a few hours a week and one of the more fun aspects of the trade. Meanwhile I'll clean up my room all sparkly n shit for piece of mind. Most importantly; to lighten my mind, and time load until I feel it is time to respawn.
Kinda like a good nights sleep and trying again in the morning but more of a macro rest. I got enough dry bones to chew on for quite awhile anyways.  I just hate quitting but a strategic retreat has to be acceptable at this point.
Hope things turn around quick for ya Cronicr.  You would be the last person I would expect to have this issue but then again I would assume everyone has em. As a wiser man once said, no one gives much attention to a person that is unhappy. Misery is abundant commodity in society, every one has it, but when a man is happy others will cross the oceans to learn the secret.
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I'll just jump in here at "oats". Gave it an honest run and said bye bye.
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Really sorry about your wide fam I couldn't imagine that pain my heart goes out to ya. Things will turn around here they always do sometimes it's just a matter of resetting everything which is what I'm about to do, bleached my buckets I prep my coir in cleaned my fruiting area top to bottom new lids for my jars fresh cultures new bag of grain bleach my racks and see where we end up I just wanted people to see were not immortal we all have our issues and moments and often these times are enough to make a guy want to say fuck it all and feel hopeless but it's usually as easy as just going back to noob mode ...start fresh and forget everything
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26386296 - 12/17/19 01:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use General Hydroponics CocoTek in 10lb blocks and never see that. Maybe its because Gen Hydro is for plants already ???
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: YogiBear]
#26386338 - 12/17/19 02:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just going to post here to bookmark this thread. I've also been plagued by penicillium outbreak for past couple years. Stopped growing out of frustration a couple times already. It only shows up after spawning to coir. Eco earth brand. I've tried starting new cultures fresh from spore. Tried sterilizing grain longer. Tightening up sterile tek. I've tried pretty much everything I can think of. I think I may have finally fixed the problem by switching to properly pasteurized compost. I'm not sure only time will tell.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1] 1
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Yeah I like straw and manure it's reliable for me
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26386379 - 12/17/19 02:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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How are you guys prepping your coir...have you tried sterilizing it?
I like to put mine in the oven in turkey trays at 250-300f for a couple hours. I don't usually see much green until after the 3rd or 4th flush. By then the sub is pretty torn up, and has some rotted little stumps or aborts, so...
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Yeah I'll sterilize it bucketvtek it I'm not too picky about it
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26386392 - 12/17/19 03:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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even the greats get mold/bacteria sometimes.


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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Ziran]
#26386505 - 12/17/19 06:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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how 'bout 15 quarts of rusty white mold spawn?

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I've got 4 66 quart tubs,9 four quart bags and 5 quart jars of UFO mold spawn
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
#26386514 - 12/17/19 06:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hurts, right?
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Sooo much 😩😩😩 15 tubs of so much potential and so much time wasted. RIP little buddies, Daddy loved you.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
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I see mold and plant.
Bad coir prep.
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Yeah, they're trich starting right next to it. It was bucket Tek with the cheap ass 5-10 pound brick from Walmart for $2. That explains the plant. But I feel like a rushed trying to get something to grain and didn't clean up enough on agar.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
#26386853 - 12/17/19 10:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah.
Its almost always the spawn.
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This jar was sterilized for 2 hours at around 17psi then knocked up with a vendor syringe through injection port. Same syringe on agar shows some bacteria. That mold I dont believe came from the syringe.

Got to looking at my tubs today and found this
 The sprout came from my backyard compost that was pasteurized eight at 165°f for 1 hour. I also used a psuedo case on this that was bucket tekd eco earth.
Also found this today in another tub

This is 50/50 compost and eco earth. Mixed then pasteurized at 165 for 1 hour. Both of these runs were oats knocked up with a pe culture on agar that looked super uniform and free of contamination.
Hopefully other tubs dont follow behind with mold
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Quote:
Grimsweeper said: I'll just jump in here at "oats". Gave it an honest run and said bye bye. 
You know I'll never pass up a chance to talk about how much oats suck ass. They're the scourge of mycology.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Asura]
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Im giving them another try only because I still have 30-40 lbs left and a qt of semperviva to spare for g2g. Gonna try just getting them dry AF, maybe overnight on my mesh. Nothing really lost if it fails.
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Mine turn out beautifully. I let mine dry overnight in strainers in the fridge.
 Next day after PCing
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa] 1
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I just got another 50lb of oats. I load em in my pot, fill with water and then set on high till a rolling boil. Instead of lowering the temp I just check for doneness. They should be soft enough after just a few minutes that you can pinch right through em. At this point I strain. Then I spread em on mesh in full sun for a couple hours. No burst grains. I process 10-15 dry LB at once.
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Crackatoa said: Mine turn out beautifully. I let mine dry overnight in strainers in the fridge.
 Next day after PCing
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Failboat]
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Shit, I just knew you were gonna catch me ragging oats, Quirk
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Asura]
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Found some mini monos my buddy gave me so I'll put these to use.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
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I recently got my first contam on a plate this year but chunked it prior to taking a pic. it was yeast I believe.
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Yeah I haven't seen many contams on plates this year unless I'm cloning
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Cron, this happened to me a few years ago too, no matter what I did, I got fkin mold on my subs. I was so pissed off I had to take a break. My spawns always looked clean and couldn't figure out what went wrong. It's funny cause there are times when you get away half assing the project and other times you follow every procedure religiously and still get fucked by mold. Anyway I hope you sort your problem out, just switch your genetics and you will be fine.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
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Yeah it happens I'm not gonna sweat it just gonna run what I have and if it doesn't work out oh well. Start fresh for the new years and life goes on
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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I just need to get better light in my work area. Want white doesn’t cut it and the flashlight I used is too small.
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cronicr said: Yeah it happens I'm not gonna sweat it just gonna run what I have and if it doesn't work out oh well. Start fresh for the new years and life goes on
Of course that's an easy thing to say if you have a pound of mushrooms stashed in your freezer. In my early grows these kind of losses were so much more demoralization. To be looking forward to your next time trip and suddenly everything goes green.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
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 Next day after PCing
God damn those look PERFECT
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Camera93]
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Thank you mushhiehunter, still thinking about writing a Tek on it. But mush cult is Tek flooded right now
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
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I'd say there's always room for another high quality tek!
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Crackatoa said: Thank you mushhiehunter, still thinking about writing a Tek on it. But mush cult is Tek flooded right now
Go for it! Oats are great. I go a bit overboard with the sterilization of them (3h @20psi) but I love that they don't burst and they are easy to shake up Oh, did I mention them being cheap as dirt?
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I'll start on it tonight 👍👍I know right. Cheap and easy to get. I'll PC for 3 hours for bags and 2 for quarts.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
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 I will throw a casing layer on in a couple days
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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How is the trich farm going? Can't wait to see some green porn
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
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Watch it go smoothlydoon as I decide to document it
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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You're failing hard. Tub looks fine. Being alarmist just to start another thread to show off piles of success?
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This has been how it goes though...colonize fine knot up then goes green lol
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Can we side bet in this? I got $20 says it goes fine.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: This has been how it goes though...colonize fine knot up then goes green lol
What if you say fuck it and skip the casing, is the green Ninja hiding in the casing layer?
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cronicr said: This has been how it goes though...colonize fine knot up then goes green lol
What if you say fuck it and skip the casing, is the green Ninja hiding in the casing layer?
Maybe a side by side? I was gunna suggest the same. I say do a half and half.
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I wasn't casing anything prior
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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only one explanation, a significant other is sabotaging your work so you spend more time with them...
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Ziran]
#26394948 - 12/22/19 03:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ziran said: even the greats get mold/bacteria sometimes.



Lmao, may I ask why the greats are still using pf cakes??
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murderlabz said: only one explanation, a significant other is sabotaging your work so you spend more time with them...
Terrible tactic. This will just force on into the closet for even longer trying to fix the setback.
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ShamanBoof said: Lmao, may I ask why the greats are still using pf cakes??
Alright I hope we’re not gonna roast Ziran for posting about mold in a mold thread. Most people only put up photos of their best and cleanest stuff. Besides, Ziran collected and tested a shit ton of info to rewrite the PF tek so that new growers could have a better chance of success
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ShamanBoof said: Lmao, may I ask why the greats are still using pf cakes??
Alright I hope we’re not gonna roast Ziran for posting about mold in a mold thread. Most people only put up photos of their best and cleanest stuff. Besides, Ziran collected and tested a shit ton of info to rewrite the PF tek so that new growers could have a better chance of success 
Oh shut COP timer in the house! Sorry dude I didn't mean to criticize pf cakes..
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ShamanBoof said: Lmao, may I ask why the greats are still using pf cakes??
Some of these folks are doing hardcore genetics work. PF tek is a great easy way to test spore germination and fruiting. It takes up little space you can pack them in a tub. If you germ on agar and do myc transfers you might of just isolated out what you was after in the 1st place. PF tek will all ways have it's place.
I commend cronicr for this thread. I think it's important to see failures to learn from. This shows he is comfortable with his vast skill-sets, much respect.
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ShamanBoof said: Lmao, may I ask why the greats are still using pf cakes??
Some of these folks are doing hardcore genetics work. PF tek is a great easy way to test spore germination and fruiting. It takes up little space you can pack them in a tub. If you germ on agar and do myc transfers you might of just isolated out what you was after in the 1st place. PF tek will all ways have it's place.
I commend cronicr for this thread. I think it's important to see failures to learn from. This shows he is comfortable with his vast skill-sets, much respect.
I know, I know.. I've read about the UV thingy. I doubt this the case here. And I shall roast low performance shit wherever I see it.
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Some speculation....
Recently here in my city coco has been on back order where I normally pick it up. And I’m referring to the 5 kilo bricks not the pet shop bricks. They always have a full pallet at the local pet shop. And they have two locations both stores are always stocked with a pallet of 5 kilo bricks
Lately tho they’ve been on backorder for months. Likely causing many pet owners to have to pay double for coco or use a diff material for their pet enclosures. I’m sure many people have been waiting patiently just like me for the last few months at least while we pay more.
So, I go grab some from the hydro shop. He tells me that the coco quality has been going down. To grow herb in coco the EC needs to be low. Omni rated coco has a lower EC FYI. He told me some of the coco they’re getting is coming out at an unacceptably high EC level. Not to mention it’s all being bought up. He didn’t have any in stock that day.
The other store had plenty but I live in a bigger city.
Perhaps the coco is being bought up at a much higher rate with the increase in interest in peat moss alternative and pet used ect. Leading to a lower quality coco that hasn’t aged and been leached for nearly as long???
End speculation.
I think a microscope could help in a situation like this possibly, or make things even more difficult lol
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I still use cakes because cakes are great lol...most of all I'm not here growing drugs lol, I don't need freezers full of shit I just like to watch mushrooms grow and it keeps me sober I likely just had a bad batch of transfers, it really doesn't take much, open up one dirty plate in your sab n you can easily contaminate a few with a simple stumble.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
#26396219 - 12/22/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aren't PF cakes much more efficient than bulk grows? I mean yea you might not get 1000 fuckimg lbs of caps but a good amount for as much substrate as you put in those little tiny cakes.
Also who was talking about UV light that has nothing to do with using cakes to find the best genetics?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
#26396228 - 12/22/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah of cakes have the best biological efficiency
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
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Unbeknownst to myself I had decided to start growing trinch instead of mushies a few years ago. I believe I stopped at 20 before I called it quits, 20 green 66 qt tubs. I had had really great success for the longest time and didn't change anything and then all of sudden it was green city. I've been away for several years but some of these new to me teks have me interested. Unmodified tubs with coir only. Before I had modified tubs with 50/50. The jars would look fine and the tubs would always go green right after or towards the end of colonization. This time around I went a well reviewed vendor, and im following different teks to the .000 just like I did when I first started this adventure. I'm hoping for success, I wish I would of read this post 3 years ago, I lost faith in my ability, time to start with a clean slate.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Grefa]
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i have a feeling there are often problems with what people consider "clean spawn"
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We all know about temps, but cool read any how.
High temperature enhances the ability of Trichoderma asperellum to infect Pleurotus ostreatus mycelia
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To observe infection of T. asperellum to high temperature-treated P. ostreatus mycelia, the interaction between T. asperellum and P. ostreatus was investigated by using a dual culture test in the plates. After various temperature treatments, P89 mycelia resisted infection of T11 at different degrees. T11 was able to overgrow and sporulate over P89 mycelia. P89 mycelia grown at 28°C showed stronger resistance to T11 than those treated with 36°C and 40°C. After incubation at 36°C and 40°C, P89 mycelia were almost completely inhibited by T11 mycelia and covered by T11 conidia (Fig 1). By contrast, only a few mycelia on the edge of plates incubated at 28°C were covered by T11 conidia. It indicated that high temperature will reduce resistance of P. ostreatus mycelia to T. asperellum.
  
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cronicr said: Yeah of cakes have the best biological efficiency
I have seen cakes going well over 300% BE on multiple flushes.. I will always keep a bag of brown rice around. I would clone clusters from MS cakes & run my sectors from their in tubs. Seemed to work well & cut my time, space & energy usage to desired genetic traits in master slants.
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Not surprising considering P.ostreatus has trouble growing at the higher temperatures. 32c+ would also slow the growth of P.cubensis.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr] 2
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cronicr said: I still use cakes because cakes are great lol...most of all I'm not here growing drugs lol, I don't need freezers full of shit I just like to watch mushrooms grow and it keeps me sober I likely just had a bad batch of transfers, it really doesn't take much, open up one dirty plate in your sab n you can easily contaminate a few with a simple stumble.
Soon or later it'll be legalized. Right now we have couple of attempts to legalize Psilocybin here in France! Unfortunately I this they want to patent Psilo and make it like expensive prescription drug. So I wouldn't count on it too much :/ Haha not trying to fill my fridge, just scared of running out of microdoses. I guess I don't want to get back to the gray I used to live in. Now I think I have enough for the next couple of years! I have 5 more jars of Cubes, shit mold got one of them.. I guess I'll make a contribution to this thread too 
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Hang in there folks I'll get some mold on this one I'm almost certain
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#26397982 - 12/23/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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We came to see the GREEN!!!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: Hang in there folks I'll get some mold on this one I'm almost certain

That's a suspicious looking mold.. I think your spawn is contaminated with P. Cubensis? BTW are adding "supplements" to your grain spawn? They look sexy af! Been experimenting with adding (coffee, skimmed milk, fish meal, coconut flakes). I'm trying to add nitrogen much more than what needed during spawn colonization so after I spawn to bulk I end up with a decent N/C ratio without the need to mix supplements to the bulk when spawning..
 I'm pretty sure that you've tried it so gimme the tdlr
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its like takin the car to the shop cuz its making a noise every time you drive it. but while the mechanic drives it then if dont do shit lol
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But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
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jcm4620 said: its like takin the car to the shop cuz its making a noise every time you drive it. but while the mechanic drives it then if dont do shit lol
I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired
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No I'm not supplementing anything just grain to coir.Quote:
Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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jcm4620 said: its like takin the car to the shop cuz its making a noise every time you drive it. but while the mechanic drives it then if dont do shit lol
I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
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He said that if he supplement grains than there is no need to supplement bulk.
And there is really no need to supplement neither because grains and coir are more than enough to grow and instead he should focus on making clean spawn and prep grains properly.
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Oh i see...yeah grain has more than enough nitrogen
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: newtomyc]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Crackatoa]
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 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Yes but normally I don't see it all over Lol, this looks like I spawned to coir and meth
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Is it water soluble?
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Hmmm...doesnt seem like it
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Maybe it's some kind of coconut oil product. I could imagine something like that forming if the bricks were hot pressed and some of that inner material was mixed in.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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R.I.P.Zappa said: Don't feel bad Cron, been having the same issue compounding over the last year and exploding since august. In fact I am kinda relieved you are posting this. Gives me a chance to weasel in a confession but of course not glad you may be pulling your hair out too.  The only two variables that have stood out for me from when I was killing it, to now punching mono tubs, have been that it started when I switched to oats and the loss of my wife. My villain this summer has been penicillium but is manageable to get fruits if not welcome compared to the minty smelling green beast but I have been seeing to many plant sprouts on week 2 lately and increasing surface trich on suido coir casing layers on day 4 for the last 2 months. Now I'm pondering how much nutritional crap the coir is being cut with lately on the eco earth brand. 
It is like one step forward and two steps back. Cultures have looked clean as they have before this mess and the ones I have a split second doubt on have been tossed to the back burner for pins because the weak will not survive this current battle campaign. Just in case I've got some really sneaky bacteria; I have done hot pours, sandwiches, brf pucks, keeping the plates in ziplocks, doubling the parafilm and seriously pondering if I have become cursed.
New SFD's longer PC times, new seals, pressure weight, different oat preps, control jars of oats where some held fine others went wet with bacteria after 3 hour pc runs at 15-20 PSI.
After a nice heavy trip last week and pondering, "what the fuck am I missing here and how much more can I tighten up my procedures? I am not a superstitious man but I'm about ready to settle on being cursed at this point and the stress is weighing heavy on me!!" The unstoppable epiphany of, "your grows are reflecting your inner self, " slammed into my mind mid thought of the sentence".
Gotta love them cryptic fucking trip messages. 
Could be true, I aint big on the whole energy mojo thing and your quote has been my guide and reference to successes. Combine that with pasty's and mushboys description of working conditions: "It doesn't matter what I think of you...all that matters is clean spawn". I mean it's no fucking rocket science, clean spawn is healthy spawn. That fucking line has run through my head the last two years during SAB sessions and spawns. Anyways, since my wife died my burning desire to grow has just became a smoldering desire and a chore of love. It feels like one of those relationsships were ya both like the idea of being together but everything else is a messy delusion of the thought. I think the bottom line is that nothing is bright anymore I have not had an honest laugh or smile in over a year outside of the psychedelic experience. A large part of me died with her and It is never comming back. Somtimes I dont even recognize my own self. No amount of drugs will fill the void, no hobby, no amount of work, no amount play will eclipse the void anymore. Only the curiosity of what our species will do next kinda keeps me going and boy do we live in very interesting if not uncertain times as of now. It feels like we are on the pinnacle of a miracle or certain doom and I wanna witness it if the body allows.
Mabye I just don't care anymore and just keep keeping on it because I don't take failure lightly and want to adapt and overcome.
So after my epiphany I have reverted back to WBS for one more shot since all this shit went down after switching to oats. It is the one variable I haven't changed yet. I never wanted to be a oat hater but I am running out of variables to change at this point. Seems like it's that cheap screw that costs more money when ya need a shot of penicillin every month when ya could have just simply hand jobbed yourself. Hope I'm wrong and excel rather than replace in the end cause I love oats, not messy and stupid easy and quick to prep.
I will definently be looking at this thread to see the advise and alternative angles. For me I'm taking my mystical advise from my conscience or what ever it is on taking a break from cultivation and focus on me. I'll just sticking to running cultures. I mean shit, that's just a few hours a week and one of the more fun aspects of the trade. Meanwhile I'll clean up my room all sparkly n shit for piece of mind. Most importantly; to lighten my mind, and time load until I feel it is time to respawn.
Kinda like a good nights sleep and trying again in the morning but more of a macro rest. I got enough dry bones to chew on for quite awhile anyways.  I just hate quitting but a strategic retreat has to be acceptable at this point.
Hope things turn around quick for ya Cronicr.  You would be the last person I would expect to have this issue but then again I would assume everyone has em. As a wiser man once said, no one gives much attention to a person that is unhappy. Misery is abundant commodity in society, every one has it, but when a man is happy others will cross the oceans to learn the secret. 
god damn bro sorry to hear that about your wife my heart goes out to ya there. luckily ya got alot of good ppl here to help ya get thru the bullshit. and as far as your contam problem with the coir goes i also a while back was having a lot of problems with shit going green on me all of a sudden. so just for shits and giggles i bought a big ass cube of coir from the hydro store here and used that instead of my usual and very well trusted eco earth brand and that was about 3 months ago now and i havnt had a problem at all since.(knock on wood) but as mentioned maybe they are adding some shit in there now or their operation has changed in some way ?? who knows ?? but maybe that is something else you could try to switch. but just hang in there man. and as far as your contam issue dont get too down on yourself it happens to us all at one time or another. just remember ya got ppl here that can help ya get thru both issues man and thats more than what some ppl have at all
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: jcm4620] 1
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Mold Slayer is my middle name... ain't no way Imma be growing mold up in this bitch.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
no i didnt answer him nor was even talkin to him it was a joke to u cron on how when ur tryin to grow mold ya cant get it to show its face but any other time itl pop rite up. anyways hejust had to jump at the chance to be a dick thats ok some ppl r like that im not gnna cry over him feeling butt hurt. but dont worry cron that green will show up sooner or later lol it always does eventually
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26403015 - 12/27/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
Ahhh! Missed your comment! I'm trying to de Like what green said. Actually did it with three grows, it's definitely beneficial to add supplements with the grains. I don't have numbers to prove it but it's very clear to me. Tbh the spawn takes longer to colonize but with much thinker and healthier mycelium. I've been ratting information about supplements and yield for different types of mushrooms, it's seems complicated.. the good part is with cubes (and LM) they don't care about how much starch we use (digest slower), simple sugars digest faster (glucose is the fastest) but are toxic after a certain concentration. Trying to find out the equivalent info for nitrogen part.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: jcm4620]
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Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
no i didnt answer him nor was even talkin to him it was a joke to u cron on how when ur tryin to grow mold ya cant get it to show its face but any other time itl pop rite up. anyways hejust had to jump at the chance to be a dick thats ok some ppl r like that im not gnna cry over him feeling butt hurt. but dont worry cron that green will show up sooner or later lol it always does eventually
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
I've seen this alot in my coir I always assumed it was sand particles.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
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 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
I've seen this alot in my coir I always assumed it was sand particles.
This explains it, it's just sea salt left after washing the Coco with sea water. Some companies use fresh water some don't.. Watch 0:50
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Yeah that's why I assumed salt I've seen the odd piece here and there but this looks like somebody sprinkled meth on my subs
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Do I smell a new tek? Meth infused sub.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
#26405324 - 12/28/19 08:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 As promised, knots appear then this follows lol Hopefully with fresh cultures fresh lids and ditch the coir and we can get back on track( I noted in another thread the leftover coir in my bucket was also showing mold)
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26405345 - 12/28/19 08:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 As promised, knots appear then this follows lol Hopefully with fresh cultures fresh lids and ditch the coir and we can get back on track( I noted in another thread the leftover coir in my bucket was also showing mold)
Nice! Good job man! Such a beautiful emerald green. Can ya send me a print
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: AyePlus]
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Oh yeah, yesterday while try to ID the salt in the coir, I came across couple of videos on how it's made, I didn't share them here because it was kinda painful to watch them doing hard labor.. first video they soaked the coir for SIX month in water and leave to decompose. While the second vid they immediately processed it, dried, then packed.
Here's the first one 6 month soak
Second no soak
Here's another one, they soak it for 3 month
I'm guessing that this why some brand works better than others. Try to pick the coir that looks darker, or if you have the space and time soak the coir in water for a few months before using it, to make sure it's exhausted
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: AyePlus]
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Damn. Glad nobody took me on my bet. That sucks though.
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 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
I've seen this alot in my coir I always assumed it was sand particles.
This explains it, it's just sea salt left after washing the Coco with sea water. Some companies use fresh water some don't.. Watch 0:50
How could it be sea salt though if it's not water soluble?
I'm pretty sure I've seen this stuff in my coir too but never really paid any attention to it, just another odd impurity. From the videos it seems like just about anything could wind up in there.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
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Yeah I sat a few chunks in water they were still there the next day, I'd taste it but everything in coir is salty
Idk maybe I'm just cutting a corner somewhere maybe my house is just that dirty idk anymore lol. My cultures look great and fruit great if I leave them
 My spawn looks fine and recovers fine
 My sterile grows go fine
 Idk anymore lol
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26405422 - 12/28/19 09:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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me too!!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
#26405433 - 12/28/19 09:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you tried just vermiculite as a substrate? If that worked out at least it would confirm that it's something with the coir and not just the environment.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
#26405436 - 12/28/19 09:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No I can't find any verm around but I'm gonna go back to straw/ manure and once I get back to work and get some funds I'll be switching back to bags
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
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( Pics from a few years ago. ) Since iv learned agar and do bulk with coir verm and gypsum via bucket tek , I rarely get contamination in my tubs and ill pull up to 7 flushes before seeing trich or anything weird. Maybe it is the brand of coir? I always thought it was processed at high temps so it kind of was already pasturized?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Buddaking]
#26405517 - 12/28/19 11:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have seen cakes going well over 300% BE on multiple flushes.. I will always keep a bag of brown rice around. I would clone clusters from MS cakes & run my sectors from their in tubs. Seemed to work well & cut my time, space & energy usage to desired genetic traits in master slants.
I like that process. No need to do a huge bulk just to get cloning strains.
Although with a bigger MS tub would mean more Gene variance to choose a clone from?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Luminous7]
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Yeah I pc'd my coir pasteurized it bucket tek u name it. Even if trich survives pasturizing it doesn't like to germinate on coir
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26405550 - 12/29/19 12:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I likely just found a shitty brand of coir with lots of impurities and had dirty cultures which would make 5 different cube cultures suspect. This last run was sfd's for filters poly and no mod lids. I even swabbed my filter n it showed nothing on agar
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26405557 - 12/29/19 12:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or shitty batch anyway. I'm not sure how relevant brand is. These places that distribute coir bricks most likely get them from a large number of different sources and just slap a label on them so you never really know what you're getting.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
#26405601 - 12/29/19 02:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey cron have u noticed it in both brick and shredded form?? i bought a bag yesterday of eco earth in a 8qt shredded bag and it looked pretty good actually. at least compared to the last bricks of eco i had . the shredded shit seemed darker and felt nice and fluffy. as i stated before i quit buyin eco bricks a while back for the same reason and switched to this generic shit in 14 cubic ft. bricks from the hydro store here. so far that has been fine but as someone said who knows where they get the shit from. i have very limited space and only ever run no more than 4 monos at a time so that big ass brick will last me a good god damn long time but ima use the shredded eco bag next just to see how it does. idk the shit is frustrating tho i dont get how shit works great for years on end then all of a sudden its shit
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: jcm4620]
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As others suggested, try your cultures with verm only, straw or cakes. Let’s see if they contaminate. It can easily happen that your coir has nutritional shit, yesterday I picked out a few things from coir which looked like seed hulls.
If this does not work it has to be the culture. The same exact thing happened to me which was the reason I took a break from cult. Every tub I made had trich no matted what I did. I swapped sfd, took extra attention with sterile work, I even started fucking pasteurising and spawn in front of the flowhood. Nothing worked and I just kept throwing out subs after subs. What I did not do is change culture as I had a killer clone and did not want to start over. I just couldn’t understand how my cultures look clean but still greenz.
Cultures may look clean on agar and may look clean on grain, but it is very easy to miss a hidden contam. Swipe some spores transfer a few, drop it on grain and see if you still get green with clean fresh culture. I know it is super annoying and easy to blame everything else, but if you have clean culture you can basically half ass everything and still get shrooms.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26406071 - 12/29/19 10:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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FUck I got Mucor pin mold in my eringii bin

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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26406083 - 12/29/19 10:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had to send back an order of coir recently bc it looked kind of funny but after I hydrated it, it smelled like shit. Musty and sour. I did a boiling bucket tek too. It was eco earth. Actually I explained that it couldn’t be sent back since I hydrated it and the package weight had increased by a lot lol. I said it would make my reptiles sick and they sent another which turned out to be not fucked up. I also grabbed some growit! brand which is one big brick and slightly cheaper per lb. It seems to be working just as well and holds the same amount of water but it was a lot lighter in color. I haven’t tried the big walmart bricks yet.
As for cultures, I believe that molds can ride along for a while and be invisible. I’m not sure how they infiltrate the myc and hold on for so long. Hate that shit. My ego was big when I first started and I thought that I needed to buy an ozone generator when my first few tubs contamed bc I thought my technique was perfect. In hindsight maybe running an ozone generator could have helped to run one time before growing anything since the house was so old and moldy. My main issue was me just being a noob though.
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Does anyone know what this mold is called? It showed up in my agar plates and my myc WOULD NOT GO ANYWHERE NEAR IT like it formed an invisible wall of some sort
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
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eLeSDenes said: As others suggested, try your cultures with verm only, straw or cakes. Let’s see if they contaminate. It can easily happen that your coir has nutritional shit, yesterday I picked out a few things from coir which looked like seed hulls.
If this does not work it has to be the culture. The same exact thing happened to me which was the reason I took a break from cult. Every tub I made had trich no matted what I did. I swapped sfd, took extra attention with sterile work, I even started fucking pasteurising and spawn in front of the flowhood. Nothing worked and I just kept throwing out subs after subs. What I did not do is change culture as I had a killer clone and did not want to start over. I just couldn’t understand how my cultures look clean but still greenz.
Cultures may look clean on agar and may look clean on grain, but it is very easy to miss a hidden contam. Swipe some spores transfer a few, drop it on grain and see if you still get green with clean fresh culture. I know it is super annoying and easy to blame everything else, but if you have clean culture you can basically half ass everything and still get shrooms.
Yeah I just spawned some to straw so we will see but that would make 6 cultures all cubensis that have the same mold hiding in them
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26407015 - 12/29/19 10:45 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Shit got another green jar figured out y though, it's because this stupid red silicone not sticking. Have no idea what to use instead for my LC jars
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Ditch the syringe filters save those for lc( even those I go un modded
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26407038 - 12/29/19 11:14 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah I use them for LC but couldn't find normal lid.. How do you glue them?
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With a proper sized drill bit it's a nice tight fit.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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So this is knotting up so in theory it should show green anytime now
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26408064 - 12/30/19 04:06 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Sloppy sterile tek =
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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5/32" for all of the one's I get. You know I had about 40 of these and was too lazy to buy RTV for new lids, so I just started using these...and they work damn well.
When I get around to getting some RTV, I can just slap down some SFD on the hole I made for these.
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looks like a mold bomb went off in there lol
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: jcm4620]
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I used these "easy felt " lid filters i made. You can buy the material at walmart for like 5 bucks a huge roll.
Been using them since day 1 pretty much, never had any issues.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Luminous7]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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All the rage like 6 years ago. Remember the ironed polyfill?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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It's drying bit I literally lost my remote n my mister
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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ive been getting tons of pinmold right about the same time.
 
its been really fucking frustrating. green of some kind usually follows
Edited by mushboy (12/31/19 09:33 PM)
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That pin mold Is the only mold I’ve ever seen growing on heat treated coir. It also killed my first ever grow and I tried using peroxide
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: AyePlus]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said: ive been getting tons of pinmold right about the same time.
 
its been really fucking frustrating. green of some kind usually follows
It's Rhizopus and it's one of the few molds that will start growing on coir. When it's done growing another mold may take it's place, usually Penicillium. It can also be sneaky by colonizing the inside of the grain while the mushroom mycelium colonizes the outside. So when you shake your jars watch for blue or grey discolorations.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
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its been really fucking frustrating. green of some kind usually follows
It's Rhizopus and it's one of the few molds that will start growing on coir. When it's done growing another mold may take it's place, usually Penicillium. It can also be sneaky by colonizing the inside of the grain while the mushroom mycelium colonizes the outside. So when you shake your jars watch for blue or grey discolorations.
Same fungus in tempeh? I read about it yesterday!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
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Kizzle said: It's Rhizopus and it's one of the few molds that will start growing on coir. When it's done growing another mold may take it's place, usually Penicillium. It can also be sneaky by colonizing the inside of the grain while the mushroom mycelium colonizes the outside. So when you shake your jars watch for blue or grey discolorations.
Dude that's scary as fuck, I will never look my jars the same way again after seeing blue  How long does it take to get the black pinheads on them?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
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Mold Slayer says this is the saddest thread I've encountered. Die mold Die.
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It's drying bit I literally lost my remote n my mister
It showed it's face today so 2 for 2
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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 No we wait for the melmak to mold
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: I haven't seen anybody rock ez felt in awhile
It works well for me. Looks cool to. Tennis ball tek.
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It's drying bit I literally lost my remote n my mister
It showed it's face today so 2 for 2
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Luminous7]
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I'm not upset like I said it was expected it was the whole point of the thread lol...every time. It knots it pins it goes green
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
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Kizzle said: It's Rhizopus and it's one of the few molds that will start growing on coir. When it's done growing another mold may take it's place, usually Penicillium. It can also be sneaky by colonizing the inside of the grain while the mushroom mycelium colonizes the outside. So when you shake your jars watch for blue or grey discolorations.
Dude that's scary as fuck, I will never look my jars the same way again after seeing blue  How long does it take to get the black pinheads on them?
About a week after you first see the mold if you see the mold. I had a whole batch once from a contaminated syringe and only in one jar did I see it before it was colonized over and even that one looked pretty much normal after the mycelium overtook it. They all had it it though, you could see it after shaking in the areas where the grains split.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: I'm not upset like I said it was expected it was the whole point of the thread lol...every time. It knots it pins it goes green
still though... damn lol
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said: ive been getting tons of pinmold right about the same time.
 
its been really fucking frustrating. green of some kind usually follows
Just had this aswell.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Luminous7]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: eLeSDenes]
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Got some cubensis 'bout to sporulate all over my mold
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: footpath]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Wtf! I thought mold was easy to kill by heat Remember this jar I shared a picture of
 I PCed for 1 hour to reuse the jar then decided to crumble the grains and PC for about 2 hours. I did not touch the jar after it's been sterilized for the second time, to my surprise one week later green is back!
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 I PCed for 1 hour to reuse the jar then decided to crumble the grains and PC for about 2 hours. I did not touch the jar after it's been sterilized for the second time, to my surprise one week later green is back!

Could be problem with Vendor spore syringe, inoculating in an open environment, combo of poor air quality and a lid holes with no filter protection, endospores,... gotta trace back and cross eliminate these areas to know for sure.
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 I PCed for 1 hour to reuse the jar then decided to crumble the grains and PC for about 2 hours. I did not touch the jar after it's been sterilized for the second time, to my surprise one week later green is back!

Could be problem with Vendor spore syringe, inoculating in an open environment, combo of poor air quality and a lid holes with no filter protection, endospores,... gotta trace back and cross eliminate these areas to know for sure.
I did not inoculate it nor open it.. 100% the mold did survive the 2hrs inside the PC
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ShamanBoof said: Wtf! I thought mold was easy to kill by heat Remember this jar I shared a picture of
 I PCed for 1 hour to reuse the jar then decided to crumble the grains and PC for about 2 hours. I did not touch the jar after it's been sterilized for the second time, to my surprise one week later green is back!

Could be problem with Vendor spore syringe, inoculating in an open environment, combo of poor air quality and a lid holes with no filter protection, endospores,... gotta trace back and cross eliminate these areas to know for sure.
I did not inoculate it nor open it.. 100% the mold did survive the 2hrs inside the PC
Didn't know that was possible, so absolutely no entry points on jar and growing without inoculation?
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I changed the lid and the filter after the first fail, tomorrow gonna make some LC and grains i'll leave it to cook with the LC for 30min then i'll change the lid and filter and cook it for 2h with the grains. No fucking chance for 3 different filters to fail in raw.
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Green_Hands said: Filter is not good. Mold cant survive pc.
I changed the lid and the filter after the first fail, tomorrow gonna make some LC and grains i'll leave it to cook with the LC for 30min then i'll change the lid and filter and cook it for 2h with the grains. No fucking chance for 3 different filters to fail in raw.
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Just go with the standard two piece ball lid on a ball jar.
At least to see if it's your filter or lid you can just boil one jar completely sealed/pc'd w no holes on top (regular unmodified lid).
If that jar becomes contaminated then there is some problem with your PC or just that the universe hates you.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Nikoyo]
#26453336 - 01/26/20 11:10 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Dusty ass RW germ plate decided to pin 😈
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So for years I was using the plastic reusable lids from Ball... I was constantly having spawning contamination issues, with a Expensive Hepa Filter and also using a SAB when I was to lazy to turn on the Hepa.... Finally I realized the reusable plastic lids SUCK. I have recently switched back to the Metal lids and had good success so far.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin]
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I've been thinking about those plastic Ball lids too and switching to one piece metal lids.
You can test those plastic lids by filling up a quart jar with water and turning it upside down. Half of my plastics lids leak like a goddamn sieve.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Asura]
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I been thinking about buying some gaskets for my plastic lids. I wrap them(gap between jar and threads) either in masking tape or parafilm after inoculation especially if I plan to use as a master. I feel like the gasket would save me time and supplies. I just hate metal lids and already have a shit ton of plastic lids.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
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12 for 10 USD isn't bad.
https://www.amazon.com/Unique-Reusable-Silicone-Plastic-Gaskets/dp/B06XPH8QN3/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Silicone%2BJar%2BRim%2BSeals&qid=1580065586&sr=8-1&th=1
They can be had a little cheaper I think there is a 48 pack of them for like 15 on there. I'm just a chronic procrastinator or else I'd have some already.
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By god a mold thread? How did I miss this?
Gonna have to put my hazmat suit on to decant this fucker, which is already heading out the door:

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Yeah I want to say it was a bad set of cultures but at the same time they are doing great on straw , oh well tomorrow is another day
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
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Got to join this thread.
I have had nothing but Trench in the last 15 tubs I have spawned. Very frustrating.
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it's just a part of the game man, can go 100 tubs without seeing it then lose 50 in a row.
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Here's my suggestion, cleaned up a bit from total obscurity:
That it pops up right after knotting says to me it's an opportunistic parasite and it knows just when to attack the myc... Like the sneaky MF it is. You might try just prepping a tub without adding any spawn to see what happens over time.
That'd be the control.
I suspect though that the germination of the parasite is triggered by environmental conditions which could be something the myc secretes, in which case it just lies dormant until spawn comes along. IOW total doom once it gets a toehold. I've seen that stuff before.
Straw was never too good to me but I probably was prepping it wrong. I couldn't get the stalks short enough with the lawnmower and various contams came out from in there somewhere. OTOH I could get it for free off of road spills. 
But if it's really shredded and pasteurized right it works for edible producers.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Been enjoying my time with just cultures and a few test runs. 3rd and final flush of "not so" rusty whytes from last falls contaminated oat spawn that I just topped off and let roll. Metobolic turd blob hung out the whole ride but seeing spots of mr. green showing up so shes tossed.

Back to WBS with PESH plate pin clone. Nice to see some canopies again instead of

And some plates with 10g agar 13g DME (to slow it down a bit) 1% GW and a 1/2 a gram of wine tannin to 600ml. Upping the tannin content to see if it will hinder cube myc growth and seems to have killed the smallest 4th transefers on the two PESH plates. Far left is RW just colonizing like a boss compared to the PESH.  Gonna swab some bacteria I saved on a blank tomorrow and see how it performs against the tannin. Looking promising so far since cube myc will colonize wood which is full of tannins but gotta see how good it is as a natural anti bacterial agent outside of wine making.
  
Abstract Tannin toxicity for fungi, bacteria and yeasts is reviewed and compared to toxicity of related lower molecular weight phenols. The dependence of toxicity on tannin structure is examined. The different mechanisms proposed so far to explain tannin antimicrobial activity include inhibition of extracellular microbial enzymes, deprivation of the substrates required for microbial growth or direct action on microbial metabolism through inhibition of oxidative phosphorylation. A further mechanism involving iron deprivation is proposed. Many microorganisms can overcome plant defences based on tannins. They may detoxify tannins through synthesis of tannin- complexing polymers, oxidation, tannin biodegradation or synthesis of siderophores.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: ShamanBoof]
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ShamanBoof said: Wtf! I thought mold was easy to kill by heat Remember this jar I shared a picture of
 I PCed for 1 hour to reuse the jar then decided to crumble the grains and PC for about 2 hours. I did not touch the jar after it's been sterilized for the second time, to my surprise one week later green is back!

Could it be your lid? Aren’t those the lids with minimal or no threads?
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Psychgro]
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I have some nice lime green spot on my last tub.

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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: newtomyc]
#26471737 - 02/06/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread makes me itch!!! Gah!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: RhYzo]
#26504257 - 02/26/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, I grew some mold...

Forgot about this one off in the corner of the basement for awhile. Came back to a full canopy of green, and thought about this thread...
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Now, that's a green thumb.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: footpath]
#26504422 - 02/26/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't find the reference but.
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Coir - I like to put mine in the oven in turkey trays at 250-300f for a couple hours.
Going over ~170 F? Would kill everything right? And, from what I read somewhere, that would leave an open door to contam. The point was not to kill off everything, just some. Sorry to be so vague, I'm lost without the reference.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Inthepit] 1
#26504434 - 02/26/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think it matters with coir. Some people sterilize it, some people pasteurize it (usually improperly), some people hydrate with cold water and roll with it right away. I have heard that cubes like cooked coir better, but I dunno how strongly that has been backed up with evidence. I'd look to cron for the answer on that.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: footpath]
#26504539 - 02/26/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm still getting contam in a few virgin plates.  SAB, rack, damp towel, inside wiped with Lysol wipe, start at bottom of 10 plate stack. Gloves, arms, media bottle wiped with alcohol. I don't even tilt the media bottle back all the way between pours. Just started pouring less and swirling to cover the bottom c10 style. These contams are always starting at the edge. I didn't wipe the threads after removing the cap. Poured at 113~112F, Rx: 4g agar, 7g potato, 50% Oat broth, food color, for 500mL
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Inthepit]
#26504788 - 02/26/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been losing about 30% of my jars that have the white plastic lids, and when the jars don't fail the tubs spawned with them do. Trich.
No leak ball lids haven't triched so it must be getting in under the lid.
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You can sterilize coir because it doesn't have the beneficial microbes that compost/poo/straw does in it.
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Quote:
p9hu7 said: I've been losing about 30% of my jars that have the white plastic lids, and when the jars don't fail the tubs spawned with them do. Trich.
No leak ball lids haven't triched so it must be getting in under the lid.
Ive been taping and using parafilm on the gap between the jar and lid.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
#26505047 - 02/26/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
gizmo1 said:
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p9hu7 said: I've been losing about 30% of my jars that have the white plastic lids, and when the jars don't fail the tubs spawned with them do. Trich.
No leak ball lids haven't triched so it must be getting in under the lid.
Ive been taping and using parafilm on the gap between the jar and lid.
My fix will be to no longer use white plastic lids.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26505076 - 02/26/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: By god a mold thread? How did I miss this?
Yeah, with spring upcoming in the PNW and me working with primarily Zapos I should have plenty to contribute to this thread. Damn, and I just chucked a beautiful three shades of green mess out this morning too.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Darkslide]
#26505098 - 02/26/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wanna join this party. Smells like a damp cat from bacterial spawn bag.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin]
#26505163 - 02/26/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love this thread. TC's proving that contams can be very sneaky. I just discovered that the pre-mixed agar recipe I was using had a 2 to 1 sugar to agar ratio. I've had constant problems with mold at first flush. And I think I wasn't cleaning my plate transfers well because of the extra sugar. Or thats my current working hypothesis.
Its so sad to have them go green. ugh.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: tedoro]
#26505294 - 02/26/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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For those that are commenting on white plastic lids, are you using the little rubber gaskets? Ive been using the plastic lids for years with seemingly no issues, but I use the gaskets.
I have run into contam issues the past 6 months for some reason. Its been since I moved to FL, last year I was only hitting like 50% success rate. Never had these issues in MD. After almost 20 years of on and off growing MS pretty darn successfully, I finally made the jump to agar a few months ago. I have my first tub of SAT going right now started from agar that Im super paranoid about it molding up. Its 8 days in and I think it looks ok so far, but Im just waiting any day to go check on it and find its gone green on me. This thread actually makes me feel a little better, Ive been getting pretty frustrated here lately. If it does, Ill be sure to post here!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#26505300 - 02/26/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No gasket, but I've been phasing them out with leak proof lids anyways 
I'll be using bags once I upgrade my flowhood, 2x1 is a bit of a pain with bags atm.
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I still have some, never used the gasket. Always had problems, but I also do vent the PC for longer and run longer cycles. This time back I find myself going ok, 90 mins is up.... Let's let it roll for another 45-1HR.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
#26505556 - 02/26/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
gizmo1 said:
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p9hu7 said: I've been losing about 30% of my jars that have the white plastic lids, and when the jars don't fail the tubs spawned with them do. Trich.
No leak ball lids haven't triched so it must be getting in under the lid.
Ive been taping and using parafilm on the gap between the jar and lid.
I also wrap the white lids until they're all phased out with leak proof. That being said I've also had many successful grows when I used to use pp5 twist locks with the lid cracked for GE.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Inthepit]
#26506315 - 02/27/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another shoebox showing contamination at the last minute, ffs. Spawn from jar with white lid, again.
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Damn man. That sucks, throw em in the trash. I know people have success but I haven't had any .
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin]
#26507113 - 02/27/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I trash them asap.
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I've put aside contaminated tubs before and got a handful of fruits out of them, but that's about it.
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I'm getting green in my tubs now after so many tubs with zero issue. I'm blaming it on having been watching this thread.
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Im pretty sure my first attempt at an un- moded tub is going to contaminate. Ill be really surprised if it doesnt.It doesnt look right in the middle, kinda greyish and opaque, though its tough to see. The sides look nice and white and fluffy though. I don't know what happened recently. Im just in a rut in the last 6 months, its getting frustrating.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#26509075 - 02/29/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe we all have the corona virus.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: tedoro]
#26509299 - 02/29/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is what Ive been dealing with. Looks like cobweb possibly. Theres a webby kind of structure overlaying the middle of the tub.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#26509830 - 02/29/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another tub with trich. You can see the individual grain that caused the infection. No more oats going forward, no more white plastic lids.
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Hmm, I just knocked up a few jars of oats a few days ago. This will be my first go at them, mainly cause of how cheap they are. Wbs and mire specifically millet is my go to, but its not cheap relatively speaking.
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Quote:
p9hu7 said: Another tub with trich. You can see the individual grain that caused the infection. No more oats going forward, no more white plastic lids.

Oats aren't the issue. I decided to try rye for a while and now getting my first trich issues. I'm going back to oats asap but not because I think rye is causing it.
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Oats isn't the cause. It's the faulty seal of my white plastic jar lids. I've just lost all patience for oats. I've made the switch to wheat. The oats reference was admittedly ambiguous.
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I wrap all my lids or use silicone seals ever since my mite infestation and my unexplainable trich levels have never been lower. Now when I get mold its usually after I’m like hmmm probably shouldnt spawn that but fuck it. Lost 7 totes in a row recently on my last run with oats, super milky bacterial looking definitely wet af spawned to unmodified sweater box totes 1:1 and only 2/8 produced anything and only 1 of those went on to make a second flush. Got cobweb and or trich on the rest
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: AyePlus]
#26526785 - 03/10/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I think I finally figured out where my contams were coming from. One of my LC lids' injection port was starting to leak as was possibly the gasket. When I would give it a good swirl/shake, I see a couple small drops coming out. I look at the bottom of the lid and there is mildew/mold growing on the rim.
That makes perfect sense because I was running between 2 and 3 different jars of LC and was getting about a 50% contam rate. The other jar(s) I was using were a different kind with different gaskets and good ports still. No sign of contams on those and they seem to be sealed properly with no leaks.
So I feel stupid it took this long to figure it out but also a little relieved. I was betting my head against the wall trying to narrow it down.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#26546104 - 03/20/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey mold lovers! How'bout this one? The whole surface is shiny like the edges, but there was too much reflection from trying to highlight it. Anyway very shiny!
And these are the same PESA clone dish front and back. Is this contam? It's so faint. 
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Inthepit] 1
#26546162 - 03/20/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Every now and then I get some bad ass contams.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: A.k.a]
#26551529 - 03/22/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Experiment at best so I'm not surprised it turned. Some fermented deer corn with a agar slurry, but I'm pretty sure the mold was in the bag from when I took it out of the PC a month ago. It inflated instead of deflating like my other bags, I preseal and this one might have a tear in it somewhere. I'm not gonna go looking for it.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin]
#26566571 - 03/30/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This looks like mold. Black Mold? LOL My question is if I caught it early would this How to Make 150 ppm Chlorine Solution by c10 get rid of it. And I wonder how I got it, there's lots of mold here in the tropics.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Inthepit] 1
#26567579 - 03/30/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Isztwan]
#26567605 - 03/30/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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We need to talk about your pressure cooker method.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Isztwan]
#26567607 - 03/30/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agar in flash waws tthere for about a year... in closet.. Recently found it. And bag was MS syringe injection.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Isztwan]
#26567612 - 03/30/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shouldn't do that even after a year. Maybe bad cap. Oh well. Let's all grow mold!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26569791 - 03/31/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright! Back in business. I'm not loving this coir prep. Not blaming anyone but my self cause I was probably drunk and spawned a jar that wasn't fully colonized.
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Looks like it's catching on...
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26579648 - 04/05/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You inoculated a sandwich??
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: A.k.a]
#26579660 - 04/05/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not me. It's some school kids' science experiment, hanging in the window of a local elementary school that's on lockdown. They exposed to different sorts of sources, the computer one was the worst.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I got a bottom and top picture for you Guys and Gals. Bottom.

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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin]
#26610742 - 04/18/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tasty.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Sockadin]
#26610746 - 04/18/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sfd ruined my perfect record of no moldy spawn.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: A.k.a]
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Hmm it's probably fine. I would spawn it, mycelium can out run it for sure.
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 Lost 20 shoeboxes so far.. The run before this was 60 and had 100% success . Only thing I changed this run is my grow space and used eats unbucket tek I had a few grass looking plants that sprouted I noticed this morning and today will be day 6 since spawn that was weird but I picked em out before I took pic ... should I thoroughly clean out my grow space now because of this pin mold? And think the rest of my boxes are fucked?
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At six days it’s gotta be the spawn.
From what I’ve seen pin mold is always around but needs the myc to be super weak to actually grow. I had a couple healthy tubs that were on the second flush and I sliced pieces of old stumps from the first flush and put them on plates and they almost immediately exploded with pin mold.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: A.k.a]
#26662575 - 05/10/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tru. But why u say that? I shook all my jars like 3 times and let em recolonize. Some did smell iffy but not 20 of em.. they all looked the same at bro’s jars Quote:
gizmo1 said: These jars look clean?

I can post my own if u want .. but I used an agar puck made LI that went to a few masters and a few brf pucks my last grow . And thoes brf pucks i had saved and slurried them and made masters for this grow. And did gtg . It could be my spawn but I thought I was on point with my sterile game
Just seen u edited ur post
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Yeah the mycelium I been working with def looked weak but it looked weak the first run also I figured that’s just how it looked . U think my other boxes are fucked ? Or would they have shown signs already
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