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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26394490 - 12/21/19 06:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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BotanyChild said: Wow, I did not expect my post to become so active. Honestly, for myself personally, I just get tired of the US system because I see so much abuse and corruption. I am not a political scientist or the highest educated person, but just feel something is seriously out of balance with the United States current situation. Sometimes I just want to leave the country to run away from it all. Denmark just seemed to be a better place.
Do it. Youll never look back I promise. Ever since I left to australia I kick myself for not leaving earlier.
Its actually hard too. All the countries dont want you and make it hard to immigrate. You need a degree in specific needed categories or need to be married to someone for more than a year.
So not only can I tell you.... you should WANT to leave..... but also you have to fight very hard to do so.
Thanks for letting me know. I had no idea. From my research the only country that you can move to without much of a degree and only need to know English is China. They literately just want Americans to move to their country to teach English. I believe Japan used to be the same but harder now.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: BotanyChild]
#26430479 - 01/12/20 11:17 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I think it's sort of ridiculous to compare countries with different geography, culture, massively different population numbers and demographics and etc etc etc etc etc.
Thinking people are cogs and replaceable is sort of the problem with mass immigration to begin with. Thinking we can just cut n paste legislation from one country to another is a flawed and simplistic idea, imo.
The juvenile idea that 'we should all look up to this super white country that doesn't let hardly anyone immigrate there and doesn't share a massive border with what amounts to a 3rd world country' (etc etc etc) is just a flawed thought-experiment that can never be carried out and is destined to leave people miserable and unhappy with where they're at.
Though, I like every other Democrat I know thought Sweden was the ideal... when I was 18-25. It's a common flaw, apparently.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: eieio] 1
#26430783 - 01/13/20 07:34 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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eieio said: I think it's sort of ridiculous to compare countries with different geography, culture, massively different population numbers and demographics and etc etc etc etc etc.
Thinking people are cogs and replaceable is sort of the problem with mass immigration to begin with. Thinking we can just cut n paste legislation from one country to another is a flawed and simplistic idea, imo.
The juvenile idea that 'we should all look up to this super white country that doesn't let hardly anyone immigrate there and doesn't share a massive border with what amounts to a 3rd world country' (etc etc etc) is just a flawed thought-experiment that can never be carried out and is destined to leave people miserable and unhappy with where they're at.
Though, I like every other Democrat I know thought Sweden was the ideal... when I was 18-25. It's a common flaw, apparently.
You act like theres this grand country somewhere that lets anyone in. I got new for ya: immigrating amywhere is damn near impossible unless you have a highly sought after degree like nursing.
Other than being highly skilled in a high demand field.... all people must stay where they were born. That is a crazy thought that is normalized by society. Tribalism is not helping us. Pretending random civi's in Cuba are any different from randoms in vietnam is just dumb. Only difference is the infrastructure and colloquialisms.
The correct countries are the ones that include free healthcare. For the current climate in 2020 healthcare is a requirement. Its too easily accessed to be made private. Its a human right now. We should put that shit into law.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26430790 - 01/13/20 07:43 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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It's not that hard. All my Indian friends from grad school are still here 30 years later. They all have PhDs but not in high demand fields. They're in sociology, comparative literature, mass communication, etc.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26430800 - 01/13/20 07:51 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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eieio said: I think it's sort of ridiculous to compare countries with different geography, culture, massively different population numbers and demographics and etc etc etc etc etc.
Thinking people are cogs and replaceable is sort of the problem with mass immigration to begin with. Thinking we can just cut n paste legislation from one country to another is a flawed and simplistic idea, imo.
The juvenile idea that 'we should all look up to this super white country that doesn't let hardly anyone immigrate there and doesn't share a massive border with what amounts to a 3rd world country' (etc etc etc) is just a flawed thought-experiment that can never be carried out and is destined to leave people miserable and unhappy with where they're at.
Though, I like every other Democrat I know thought Sweden was the ideal... when I was 18-25. It's a common flaw, apparently.
You act like theres this grand country somewhere that lets anyone in. I got new for ya: immigrating amywhere is damn near impossible unless you have a highly sought after degree like nursing.
Other than being highly skilled in a high demand field.... all people must stay where they were born. That is a crazy thought that is normalized by society. Tribalism is not helping us. Pretending random civi's in Cuba are any different from randoms in vietnam is just dumb. Only difference is the infrastructure and colloquialisms.
The correct countries are the ones that include free healthcare. For the current climate in 2020 healthcare is a requirement. Its too easily accessed to be made private. Its a human right now. We should put that shit into law.
Why don't you explain to every country in the world that their borders, national sovereignty and citizenship are meaningless and should be reversed?
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26431037 - 01/13/20 10:49 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: It's not that hard. All my Indian friends from grad school are still here 30 years later. They all have PhDs but not in high demand fields. They're in sociology, comparative literature, mass communication, etc.
Their phds? Lol. 2 issues. 1 would be they have higher education and could classify as a lecturer which is instant citzenship in tons of countries.
2 it was 3 decades ago. Things have tightened up quite a bit.
Not to mention marriage could have helped or being in school long enough to apply for permanent.
Regardless its not impossible. A nursing degree is very obtainable. Or diesel mechanic is another one on a bunch of lists. I just wish all people could travel as long as they work and dont suck up welfare. Its good for humanity to be closer.
I mean if you guys knew the actual state of the world right now i reckon youd agree. Theres not many countries you can go to and work for a year. And of the countries its very very hard to get permanent. So 1 to 3 years max unless you marry or have a required skill or have a million dollars. Theres quite a few "million dollar visas" where if you can prove you have a million or more you get automatic permanent visa. How bullshit is that? Heh.
I get the economic reasoning to all of it. Gain skilled workers in fields you lack people in and gain rich people. Its just bad for us as a species. Tribalism disgusts me. No idea why it doesnt disgust the bulk of the population.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
#26431076 - 01/13/20 11:13 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: It's not that hard. All my Indian friends from grad school are still here 30 years later. They all have PhDs but not in high demand fields. They're in sociology, comparative literature, mass communication, etc.
Their phds? Lol. 2 issues. 1 would be they have higher education and could classify as a lecturer which is instant citzenship in tons of countries.
2 it was 3 decades ago. Things have tightened up quite a bit.
Not to mention marriage could have helped or being in school long enough to apply for permanent.
Regardless its not impossible. A nursing degree is very obtainable. Or diesel mechanic is another one on a bunch of lists. I just wish all people could travel as long as they work and dont suck up welfare. Its good for humanity to be closer.
I mean if you guys knew the actual state of the world right now i reckon youd agree. Theres not many countries you can go to and work for a year. And of the countries its very very hard to get permanent. So 1 to 3 years max unless you marry or have a required skill or have a million dollars. Theres quite a few "million dollar visas" where if you can prove you have a million or more you get automatic permanent visa. How bullshit is that? Heh.
I get the economic reasoning to all of it. Gain skilled workers in fields you lack people in and gain rich people. Its just bad for us as a species. Tribalism disgusts me. No idea why it doesnt disgust the bulk of the population.
You're really not making any sense here, all you're doing it making generalizations like "Its good for humanity". What exactly does this mean? Nations have limitations for immigration to protect their economy, social services and security.
US citizens with 120k in student debt don't need to compete for employment with non-US citizens, that's ridiculous.
The reason you don't understand why people want limitations on immigration is because you ignore the negative aspects of it.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: qman]
#26431106 - 01/13/20 11:27 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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As far as I can tell, the only useful service being performed by these foreign born (or American) PhDs is keeping millions of undergrads in school to lower the unemployment rate.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: qman]
#26431469 - 01/13/20 02:28 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: It's not that hard. All my Indian friends from grad school are still here 30 years later. They all have PhDs but not in high demand fields. They're in sociology, comparative literature, mass communication, etc.
Their phds? Lol. 2 issues. 1 would be they have higher education and could classify as a lecturer which is instant citzenship in tons of countries.
2 it was 3 decades ago. Things have tightened up quite a bit.
Not to mention marriage could have helped or being in school long enough to apply for permanent.
Regardless its not impossible. A nursing degree is very obtainable. Or diesel mechanic is another one on a bunch of lists. I just wish all people could travel as long as they work and dont suck up welfare. Its good for humanity to be closer.
I mean if you guys knew the actual state of the world right now i reckon youd agree. Theres not many countries you can go to and work for a year. And of the countries its very very hard to get permanent. So 1 to 3 years max unless you marry or have a required skill or have a million dollars. Theres quite a few "million dollar visas" where if you can prove you have a million or more you get automatic permanent visa. How bullshit is that? Heh.
I get the economic reasoning to all of it. Gain skilled workers in fields you lack people in and gain rich people. Its just bad for us as a species. Tribalism disgusts me. No idea why it doesnt disgust the bulk of the population.
You're really not making any sense here, all you're doing it making generalizations like "Its good for humanity". What exactly does this mean? Nations have limitations for immigration to protect their economy, social services and security.
US citizens with 120k in student debt don't need to compete for employment with non-US citizens, that's ridiculous.
The reason you don't understand why people want limitations on immigration is because you ignore the negative aspects of it.
I guess what I'm saying is Americans = Other people. Also I reckon high population is fine. More people more taxes.
When we have these borders that really stop the bulk of the population from experiencing other cultures.... it makes us close minded and less worldly. We should be bonding and learning from every culture just for the price of a plane ticket.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: qman] 1
#26433279 - 01/14/20 02:08 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: As far as I can tell, the only useful service being performed by these foreign born (or American) PhDs is keeping millions of undergrads in school to lower the unemployment rate.
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qman said: Why don't you explain to every country in the world that their borders, national sovereignty and citizenship are meaningless and should be reversed?
Honestly, they are. They're a meaningless distinction of random chance and fate. They serve absolutely no concrete, objective, demonstrable, purpose for the vast majority of the population. For some people, the type easily distracted by colorful cloth, they're symbols worthy of worship and sacrifice. For many people, they're simply a minor inconvenience. For a very, very, very small group of people, maybe a few dozen at any point in time throughout history: borders, national sovereignty, and citizenship are the most lucrative investment ever.
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Re: Denmark is a role model for the world to follow. [Re: Kryptos]
#26444604 - 01/21/20 10:30 AM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: As far as I can tell, the only useful service being performed by these foreign born (or American) PhDs is keeping millions of undergrads in school to lower the unemployment rate.
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qman said: Why don't you explain to every country in the world that their borders, national sovereignty and citizenship are meaningless and should be reversed?
Honestly, they are. They're a meaningless distinction of random chance and fate. They serve absolutely no concrete, objective, demonstrable, purpose for the vast majority of the population. For some people, the type easily distracted by colorful cloth, they're symbols worthy of worship and sacrifice. For many people, they're simply a minor inconvenience. For a very, very, very small group of people, maybe a few dozen at any point in time throughout history: borders, national sovereignty, and citizenship are the most lucrative investment ever.
I honestly believe in what Kryptos said about the fantasy behind borders. But, The truth be told, War is the reason behind borders. No more, No less.
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