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Psilocin extraction internet recipe
#26385457 - 12/16/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im going to try this in the nearish future.
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A representative sample of 2 to 10g of dried mushrooms is ground to a fine powder by mortar and pestle. The powder is mixed with 100 mL of dilute acetic acid in a 250-mL beaker. The pH is readjusted to pH 4 with glacial acetic acid. After standing 1 h, the beaker is placed in a boiling water bath for 8 to 10 min or until the internal temperature of the acid mixture reaches 70°C. The beaker is removed and cooled to room temperature under running water. The acid mixture is separated from the mushroom powder by suction filtration using glass wool. The filtrate is brought to pH 8 with concentrated ammonium hydroxide and quickly extracted with two 50-mL portions of diethyl ether. Gentle mixing instead of shaking should be used to prevent an emulsion. The ether is dried over sodium sulfate, filtered, and evaporated under nitrogen with no applied heat. Crude psilocin will appear as a greenish residue. Recrystallization from chloroform/heptane (1:3) yields white crystals. The resulting powder can then be submitted to infrared and mass spectral analyses.
I got to thinking about the process, and am wondering if it might be more convenient to use a vacuum chamber to evaporate the acetic acid solution, then add the diethyl ether to bring the psilocin into it and separate it from the acetic acid, pour off the solution to separate it from the acetic acid which I assume will not dissolve in the diethyl ether, and then evaporating the diethyl ether/psilocin solution in the vacuum chamber, hopefully running the vacuum pump's output through a condenser so I can save the diethyl ether and reuse it.
That way I wouldn't need to evaporate it under nitrogen or use sodium sulphate to dry the diethyl ether solution, hopefully.
Final step would be to open the vacuum chamber and quickly pour in liquid honey, or vodka, or whatever medium to put the psilocin into a consumable form where it won't oxidize.
Maybe Im way off. Anyone here a chemist?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26385466 - 12/16/19 04:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd recommend trying the process as written before trying it with any major changes unless you're an experienced chemist, then of course use your knowledge and experience to make improvements.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: rido]
#26385546 - 12/16/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see two issues.
One is that this is to convert the stable psilocybin into less stable psilocin for sample testing, and if you can you want to keep that phosphate group for stability.
Two, glacial acetic acid isn’t something you want to mess with without proper ventilation and safety gear. It’s anhydrous acetic acid and is rather pungent.
It is indeed possible to extract and even crystalize psilocybin but it’s a pain in the ass and takes a bit of chem experience and equipment to do. Which is why it’s so rarely seen.
When looking at any other extraction technique that contains water, one of the first steps you should do is to make sure your shrooms have been dried hot and all the dephosphorelating enzymes have been destroyed.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: StygianKnight]
#26385756 - 12/16/19 06:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that the point of extracting with an acid and then raising the pH to 8with ammonia is to liberate the psilocin as the free base so it will be soluble in the ether. If you just evaporate the acetic acid, (which will stink like hell and make your neighbors wonder if you're operating a clandestine pickle factory), the residue left after you evap the acid will contain a water soluble form of psilocin that will not dissolve in ether. The reason why no one (outside of the legit scientific community) bothers extracting psilocybin/psilocin from mushrooms is because it's difficult, highly inefficient and a waste of time. Just make tea, or grind your mushies and capsule them if you hate the taste.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Digit]
#26385789 - 12/16/19 07:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is 150-160F hot enough to destroy the dephosphorelating enzymes?
Did a little reading on acetic acid. I wasn't expecting there to be much issue with it since I eat it all the time, but there is.
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This liquid is highly corrosive to the skin and eyes and, because of this, must be handled with extreme care. Acetic acid can also be damaging to the internal organs if ingested or in the case of vapor inhalation.
Im confident I can work with it safely despite this. Ill wear my goggles. The container of it would only be open for brief periods.
Extraction is rarely done. Ive never seen it. Seems like it would be really boss to have some nice purified magic.
Im not interested in the recrystallization. Was going to skip that part.
If this process produces freebase psilocin, that means it is no longer active via the stomach but rather must be smoked, right?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386139 - 12/16/19 10:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Acetic acid actually does mix with ether. It has the property of being able to mix with polar and non polar solvents. The byproduct of bringing the pH to 8 is ammonium acetate which is very hydrophilic and stays behind in the water as a salt. The acid and the ammonia should cancel each other out leaving water and salt so there shouldn't really be any acid by the time you hit it with ether. The ether will bond to a small percentage of the water from the reaction. It's called an azetrope. I believe it retains 6% water due to hydrogen bonding that's why the step of drying it with sodium sulfate. With ether you could substitute other desiccants as long as they dissolve in water and not ether. If this part is skipped it won't crystalize. I believe that's why they do it the way they did. I'm glad there's some interest in it. I'll be trying it to this weekend. Have a cube flush coming in right now to try it on.
Oh and household distilled white vinegar has a pH around 2.5, were only going to 4. Acetic acid isn't that big of a deal unless your huffing it and rubbing your eyes with it. It stings the eyes and nose more than it burns the skin.
Since it only needs to go up 1.5 pH this can prob be done by freezing it and collecting the slushy part. Then pH test it and dilute it back down to 4. I'll freeze some tonight and pH it in the morning so we know how much it concentrates it. I've done something similar in the past but it doesn't freeze like ice it stays like a melty slushy but we don't need ALL the water out just some.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26386205 - 12/16/19 11:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for that clarification.
Do I understand it right to say that the concentrated ammonium hydroxide chemically transforms the acetic acid out of existence leaving ammonium hydroxide which stays behind in the water after the diethyl ether extraction?
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CH3COOH + NH. H2O → CH3COONH4 + H2O. Acetic acid react with ammonium hydroxide to produce ammonium acetate and water. Acetic acid - concentrated solution.
I think I just answered my own question. Thanks internet.
What do you think about evaporating the diethyl ether/psilocin solution in a vacuum chamber rather than in a nitrogen atmosphere?
Sounds like I can skip the desiccant too. I don't care to do recrystallization.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386223 - 12/17/19 12:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's my plan. Vacuum chamber. I will do the crystallization just to say I did it. The problem is good ether sources are typically starting fluid for over the counter. It is a mix of hexane/heptane water and diethyl ether. Depending on brand. All them are somewhat dissolved in each other. They do this bc ether is unstable. It has such high hydrogen bonding when it's pure that it can generate enough static electricity to donate itself. It burns at a rate twice as fast as dynomite. This is part of why I prefer vacuum distillation. Usually I don't mind heptane in the mix but in this case I do bc heptane takes one eternity to evap and it leaves oily residue. So I'm thinking up a way around this. And chloroform isn't readily available but can be made. I'm thinking toluene, or dichloromethane. Those are both otc and much safer.
Tomorrow I'll share how I build my aspirator using a 'T' fitting, rtv and a ball point pen. And I'll show the setup and operation. We'll get through this together and learn some shit in the process.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26386237 - 12/17/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by JohnRainy (12/17/19 12:43 AM)
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386248 - 12/17/19 12:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn that's sweet. That used to be hard to get. Ya that would be ideal. With precaution. No evaporating inside. I think toluene is a cheaper safer choice though.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386257 - 12/17/19 12:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use to be on the DMT Nexus and that does look like a biochemist TEK for sure.
Im just grinding them up in chochlates and work fine.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26386267 - 12/17/19 01:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is this acceptable?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: YogiBear]
#26386273 - 12/17/19 01:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This doesn't sound that hard to pull off, does it? You need a few things, and you have to be careful not to spill the toluene, but we're talking about pure psilocin here.
That would be so boss.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386307 - 12/17/19 01:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would definately be nice for dosing accuracy 👍
Learning how the chemical you want drifts back and forth based on ph is a pretty awesome concept to work with.
Have done mesculine extractions too. This sounds more like that but used Toulene for dmt only so I dont understand how psilocilo works as a chemical
Good luck and keep us posted
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386311 - 12/17/19 01:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's the stuff. My fav solvent. I don't think it will be hard at all but it's different reading it than it will be too do it. Couple of tries to figure out the fun parts and it should be pretty simple. I'm digging through my garage right now looking for my merk index. It's a book every aspiring chemist should own. It is a giant book of chemicals and their properties, patent numbers, synthesis etc.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26386322 - 12/17/19 01:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't understand shit about this.
https://people.chem.umass.edu/xray/solvent.html
It's properties of solvents. In the results and discussions, the extraction method authors mentioned something about their process being very good for isolating psilocin from other methanol soluble compounds. Can toluene do this as effectively as well?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy] 1
#26386357 - 12/17/19 02:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you should join the dmt nexus brother. They will have your answers for You
Its all about the composition of the molocule you are extracting as to which solvent to use and what PH it need to be to get it to drift from one solution to another
Not many people here are going to be able to get you where you want to go
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26386393 - 12/17/19 03:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnRainy said: What about this?
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=diethylether&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
Anybody wanna try some ether? 
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: YogiBear]
#26386395 - 12/17/19 03:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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YogiBear said: I think you should join the dmt nexus brother. They will have your answers for You
Its all about the composition of the molocule you are extracting as to which solvent to use and what PH it need to be to get it to drift from one solution to another
Not many people here are going to be able to get you where you want to go
DMT-nexus might be a good spot to try,
@johnrainy
I would also recommend trying to repost this in the chemistry and pharmacology forum. It is where a lot of the extraction talk goes on.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/92
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26387758 - 12/17/19 08:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 So I went to find toluene but home Depot didn't have it but they did have this mek substitute. The ingredient is ethyl acetate which is the first recommended substitute for ether. I've never needed ethyl acetate but it's good to see it is otc and there aren't other things in it.
I also bought this 1/2 'T' fitting for $3. This will be our aspirator. You will need a bic ball point pen. Pull the guts out and cut the end off. This should fit pretty snug in thick wall 3/8 tubing. You will also need some half inch tubing.
Edited updated assembly↓

 This is the basic setup. The water pump pushes cold water through the pen tip. The pen should be pushed past the vacuum line but don't let the barrel of the pen obstruct the vacuum line opening. This creates a Venturi high velocity water flows passed the vacuum opening creating low pressure and so it sucks air bubbles out of our vacuum jar and they are washed back into the bucket by siphon effect. This should be able to generate 15-25 psi of vacuum which will boil water at room temp. I will also show you later how to adapt a jar lids to become a vacuum filtration jar which seriously speeds up the process and allows us to use several filters to get our extract free of particulates. You can see the fitting I have for the jar. I drill a hole slightly smaller than the fitting and thread it into the hole. Then I rtv it real well. Try to make it as rigid as possible and have no leaks. I like to use a jar large enough to place shit glasses in it.
The smaller vessel you vap your extract in the easier it is to deal with. It sucks extracting a tiny amount of something and have it coating the whole inside of the jar. So I put solution into a shot glass or two and I add more solution to the glass as it vaps. This concentrates it all into one small vessel which will save you headaches later. Less is more when it comes to solvents.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands] 1
#26387801 - 12/17/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ethyl Acetate it is then.
Good stuff.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26387866 - 12/17/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah i dnt understand much of all that chemistry speak, but get a vapor mask and a sweet pair of safety glasses while your at it. MEK is really nasty shit. It'll mutate your sack.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Feasoghorm]
#26387867 - 12/17/19 09:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ha ha, my sack is already mutated. That's what I need the 1000x zoom microscope for. This isn't mek, it's mek substitute ethyl acetate. Any solvent fumes will be trapped in the water bucket for the most part. This won't be an issue as long as we're not evaporating large amounts of solvent.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26387882 - 12/17/19 10:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The final result would be insufflatable?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Failboat]
#26387898 - 12/17/19 10:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cud i smoke it? I like smoking things.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Failboat]
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in·suf·flate /ˈinsəˌflāt/ verb past tense: insufflated; past participle: insufflated 1. MEDICINE blow (air, gas, or powder) into a cavity of the body. 2. THEOLOGY blow or breathe on (someone) to symbolize spiritual influence.
That's a good question. Could you snort crystal psilocin? Would the product be suitable for that?
It can't be kept exposed to the air or it will oxidize and become inactive, so, practically, not really. But right after you made it and before you mixed it in something, I guess you could snort it?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26387949 - 12/17/19 11:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know but I can see if shulgin tried that when I get home. His book tihkal has hundreds of compounds he synthesized and then administered all sorts of ways with trip reports for each. He's done more psychedelics than anyone in the planet prob.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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Somehow Ive never heard of this guy until now.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26387971 - 12/18/19 12:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alexander shulgin
Pihkal
Tihkal
Another good author is Otto snow
Uncle Fester and I were pen pals for a long time. His books have good info but he doesn't write in a step by step format so to the uninitiated it is easy to miss things that an experienced chemist would have an unspoken understanding of. He knows his shit though. All my books are autographed to 'spirit' and I still have his letters. Old school, hand written letters.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands] 1
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My advice as someone who has personally done a fair amount of synthesis and extractions is to take the time to learn the basics of acid/base extraction, the differences in solubility of your target compound in different solvents and basic lab safety. Playing around with solvents, acids and strong bases without the knowledge of what you're doing can seriously burn you, set your house on fire or poison you. At best you will end up wasting a lot of mushrooms and end up with a toxic, caustic goo that gets you more poisoned than high. It's not rocket science, but it's definitely not like baking a cake.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Digit]
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An acid-base extraction is a type of liquid-liquid extraction. It typically involves different solubility levels in water and an organic solvent. The organic solvent may be any carbon-based liqiuid that does not dissolve very well in water; common ones are ether, ethyl acetate, or dichloromethane.
The intrigue with this is very strong for me.
While I appreciate the warning, I find it hard to heed.
It doesn't seem like that crazy of a process to me. It's not like Im trying to make LSD from some sketchy internet posts or something. That would be silly, but this?
I know that ethyl acetate is in the same league as gasoline when it comes to flammability, and to be fucking careful with something called concentrated ammonium hydroxide. Im planning on wearing a respirator with activated carbon cartridges to absorb any organic vapours from the organic solvent, safety glasses, and have an exhaust fan running.
I will cut my teeth on this with a small batch involving a few hundred milliters of solvent. I expect to see a green residue as the authors have said. I will test a very small amount of it at first.
Should be good. Im looking forward to the other guy who is interested in this too and more knowledgable about chem than I am to give us an update.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26389778 - 12/18/19 10:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Safety and proper knowledge of the properties of all chemicals involved is key. It's good to have a healthy respect for chemicals. I think that ppl have unnecessary fear of chemicals bc most of the chemicals ppl encounter are fairly benign. There are only a few chemicals that scare me, formic acid and methylamine are extremely powerful. I refuse to work with hydrofluoric acid. Nothing good comes from fluorine. I will be using household ammonia and household vinegar, same thing you clean with, nothing to fear. I need to pick up some pH strips before I concentrate the acetic acid in the vinegar. Before I start anything I'll post the chemspider links to chemicals involved. Gonna try to get that done and posted by the weekend. Fresh flush went in the dehydrator this morning. I'll be doing a ten gram batch as the document calls for.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26394974 - 12/22/19 04:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Acetic acid data sheet Looking everywhere for pH strips. Gonna have to order them. With the holidays who knows when they'll get here. Moving on. Household white distilled vinegar. Put in the refrigerator for a few hours. The water is still liquid but the acetic acid that wasnt bound to water froze and can easily be filtered. I just put the vinegar in a bottle and poked holes in the lid for when it comes time to drain and filter crystals. At this point I flipped the bottle upside down in a cup and left it in the fridge for another couple hours. This allows water to drain but acetic acid is solid and it's trapped in the bottle. This process is done in the fridge bc acetic acid quickly melts and will run off remixing with the water which is what we don't want. What we are doing is called fractional crystallization/ fractional freezing.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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There is no reason to concentrate the acetic acid from vinegar to use for this purpose. The point is to do the acid side of the extraction with dilute acetic acid at pH4. Vinegar IS dilute acetic acid and is normally at around pH4 straight from the bottle. Furthermore, ethyl acetate has extremely different properties from ethyl ether. I'd be very, very surprised if freebase psilocin will dissolve in it, since it is a much more polar molecule than ethyl ether. Instead you'd probably be better off using naptha, xylene or toluene. However remember that if you evaporate store-bought solvents any impurities in them will be concentrated. This can include heavy metals and various toxic hydrocarbons that do not evaporate with the solvent. Most importantly, you're dealing with a highly unstable molecule that likes to degrade into inactive shit under light, heat and oxygen. That's why you need to evaporate it under a vacuum, which I can guarantee you will not be able to create any kind of proper vacuum using a ball point pen. Sorry, but if you've ever seen a real vacuum aspirator it's not that simple. Above all, mushrooms are not meth, they're natural medicine from our earth and they're just fine as is, there is no reason on earth to use a bunch of chems and make a bunch of fumes and/or hazardous waste when you could just make tea instead.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Digit]
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The reason I am concentrating it is bc I already have acetic acid in the way but I have a bottle of 5% white distilled vinegar which is no where near 4ph. The acetic acid stays bound to water and freezing the mixture yeilds some of both on each side. I'm concentrating it to get an idea how much water CAN be removed through fractional freezing. I'm also waiting on pH strips nowhere had them locally it's not pool season.
About the ethyl acetate.. you're right. This isn't like manufacturing meth. Although technically the psilocin is a free base bc were not making a salt out of it, it has no issues dissolving in polar solvent or else tea and water extraction would not work. This isn't a case of polar vs non polar like many a/b extractions, this is a case of which solvent has a higher affinity for psilocin.
Aspirator Lastly I have had expensive lab grade vacuum pumps and I can do the same thing with a bucket of ice water without having to regulate how much pressure my pump is pulling. This is an actual water aspirator and as you can see it's a very basic concept. I can pull 18-25 psi of vacuum in minutes using a ball point pen and a 't' fitting. Ppl use them everyday for cleaning fishtanks.
I was gonna wait for my things to come in the mail but I think I'll do a test run right now. Seems like we all want less talking about it, more being about it, right? Let's see what we get from 6.8g
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Digit]
#26401100 - 12/26/19 01:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi.
Thank you for the criticism. You raise some valid points.
I am not a chemist, and I wish someone could just authoritatively tell me if psilocin would extract into ethyl acetate using this method. I don't have anything to indicate that it would not. Ethyl acetate is named as a suitable replacement for diethyl ether in things Ive read online not specifically about psilocin extraction.
I did find something about alkaloid extraction, which is a pretty precise descriptor. Psilocin is an alkaloid. This is a very similar process
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To isolate alkaloids from plants, the dried and powdered plant material is extracted with pet ether (or hexane, colemans etc.) first. This removes fats, oils, terpenes, waxes etc. This extract is discarded. The material is now subjected to an alcohol extraction, eg with methanol or ethanol. The extract is evaporated to leave the crude alkaloids mixture. This extract is partitioned between an diluted aq. tartaric acid solution and ethyl acetate. Other acids like citric acid can be used, and other solvents may substitute here. The ethyl acetate layer contains neutral and weakly basic alkaloids. Evaporate the solvent to isolate them. The aq. layer is neutralised with NH3 or Na2CO3 and again extracted with ethyl acetate. The organic layer now contains basic alkaloids, while the aq. layer contains quarternary ammonium ions. Many alkaloids can be isolated directly from the alkoholic extract by chromatographic methods. This is a separation which works well for tropane alkaloids (atropine, cocaine, scopolamine).
https://www.researchgate.net/post/which_is_the_best_method_for_the_extraction_of_alkaloids_from_medicinal_plant_specially_from_leaves_what_are_best_solvents_for_the_extraction
I think that is big indication that psilocin dissolves in ethyl acetate.
The impurities in the solvent could be minimized by evaporating it through a condenser before using it for the extraction, if there are any impurities there at all. And I was planning on using a real vacuum chamber anyways.
As for nature, the human mind is conditioned to want to constantly refine and further purify good things, no? Im very curious to see what this is like. Nearly pure psilocin. Wouldn't that be so cool? It still came from a mushroom...
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26401112 - 12/26/19 01:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cant wait to hear the results. I hope there's pics.
Have you got a scale good enough to weigh the milligrams you'll get?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26401681 - 12/26/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll have a full write up tonight when I run the rest of the procedure. Got pH strips, got 30% acetic acid, got the last bits of tube for the aspirator. I did the main part of the extraction last night but I haven't tested the pH of the vinegar yet. I'll prob run it again now that my chemicals are in and compare the results. I have a scale with good resolution but I don't have a micro gram scale so I'll be making up for this by using larger extraction sample. I placed enough ethyl acetate to cover the bottom of a graduated cylinder and left it over night. It evaporated without leaving any residue. It's been 12 hrs. The aspirator will make quick work of this.
 This is the solution in the beginning of the extraction. I left this on the stirplate for an hour. After the heating and filtration I'm left with this solution.
 I've tried to capture the iridescent blue green tint. All color has come from the mushrooms, all solvents im using are clear.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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Very nice. So that's the acetic acid portion of this.
Can I ask how you filtered it? Did you do the glass wool suction filtration?
I was going to place the crushed mushrooms in a large fine mesh bag when they go into the acetic acid. Thought that would make for a much easier filtration process.
Im dying to see what the ethyl acetate extraction yields...and if it's nice and active.
Also, if this is freebase psilocin, doesn't that mean it could be smoked? That would be something alright. What about vaped? Holy shit that would rock.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26401883 - 12/26/19 04:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just used two coffee filters and gravitaty filtration. The less you force through the filter the better product you will have. Vacuum filtration does help a lot but slow and gentle is the way to go with filtration. I had to pick up new tubes for the aspirator this morning. I usually use 10+ filters and vacuum filtration. I use the same jar for vacuum filtration that I do for evaping but I add an extra hole. I'll show that tonight when I set up. I imagine there are spores that made it through the filtration but I don't see any sediment. Ideally I would centrifuge the solution to remove and particulates that would interfere with crystallization.
The fine mesh bag would work (assuming you have bubble bags for hash) but I avoid using any glassware or filters with excessive surface area. The more surface your solution touches the more you will lose in the process. I keep things small and concentrated and I use as little solvent as possible.
As far as how to ingest I can't recommend anything, I'm not a doctor, I haven't tried smoking or vaping it. This is the first time I've tried extracting mushrooms. I do think this would be a good way to extract pans and use the extract to dose a batch of gummies or chocolate without all the mush material left in the batch. Well see what we have in the morning.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26403256 - 12/27/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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After the filtering I came home and checked the pH on 5% vinegar. It's maybe a little over 1 it barely showed on the strip. So I added 1 teaspoon of 30% acetic acid to reach a pH of 4. Then the solution was placed on a water bath set to simmer. This was done for ten min.
These are the chemicals I am working with.
While that's boiling I drilled a hole in a jar lid just big enough to thread a barb fitting into and then rtv. If you're careful drilling the hole it will be tight and firm when it cures. This makes getting the hoses on easier. This pic came out dark but you can see the step-up drill bit I'm using. These are very handy.
Boil is over. The paper says to cool in water bath I believe but I'm sticking it in the fridge. Once it's cool the pH was adjusted to 8 using ammonia. There's no percentage in the bottle, it's generic white ammonia. Took about 30ml to reach 8.
50ml ethyl acetate was added. I stirred by hand but then decided to run it on the stir plate. Did this with two 50ml portions for about 5 min each. Both of these were combined in a water bottle. Most of my glassware was stolen while I was away so I will be improvising a sep funnel. I poke a tiny hole in a good spot in the bottom where you can see. Quickly tilt the bottle so the hole is on the bottom and let the water layer drain out. Stop just after the water leaves. You will lose some solvent and product but it's ok. You can keep this portion and add further portions later. In chemistry we call this a mother liquor. Sounds funny.
After seperating the layers you can see there is water still in the bottom. This may have slipped through or this may be entrained water falling out of the ethyl acetate. This is the layer we must eliminate and dry the solution of. ↓
The paper calls for drying over sodium sulfate but I'm going to salt it out. Basically the water can mix with the ethyl acetate. Salt however does not. But it does dissolve in water. So as I add table salt to the solution and stir. The salt scavenges the water from my solvent. This is a great trick but it is dependant on what you're working with and what your trying to do. Convenient in this case.
A good example is isopropyl alcohol. Salt will dissolve in the water but not isopropanol so by adding salt you can watch two layers form which drives the alcohol out of solution.
Further I believe that's what drives the psilocin up during the a/b extraction. We don't add solvent until we neutralize the solution creating ammonium acetate salt. I believe this is more soluble in water than the psilocin and the psilocin is just as happy in the top layer so it helps drive it up. My Merck index book is missing as well which sucks I could just show you the data. This is just my speculation I could be wrong.
 Solution will now look like salty goo at the bottom. The top is easily poured off into a dry vessel. This water layer with a tiny bit of solvent can be thrown in with the water layer from before (mother liquor). We now have one dry uniform layer. Time to set up the vacuum.
When the aspirator is running correctly you will see a stream of water going in and a stream off bubbles going out. Like so. We want it set up lower than the vacuum chamber to avoid any siphon from happening. I suggest deciding how you want it set up and then securing the hoses to something fixed bc it sucks when something falls and everything is connected together and your vacuum chamber tips over. Fill the bucket with ice.

Everything running smoothe up to this point. I'm gonna be real with you, I fucked up. I told you how to assemble the aspirator wrong. It does work but it's not strong enough vacuum. I made this same mistake the last time I built one and I guess I forgot, it's been a long time.
If water is able to get back up the vacuum tube it will do so. And this will happen some time after everything is running perfect and you pat yourself on the back and you look away... What can happen is the vacuum maxes out in the jar and maybe the aspirator hits some warmer water and doesn't pull as hard. Now the vacuum in the jar is stronger than the aspirator and a stream of water runs up the vacuum line gaining velocity and spooges all in your dry solvent.
 Ya, well that happened. Lucky for me I put the solvent in a shot glass and placed it on the opposite side of the vacuum tube. The water went around the shot glass and only a few drops got in. I stopped and poured it off.
 Just before work I realized my mistake. This is how the aspirator is supposed to be assembled. The venturi is created when high volume of water passes by the vacuum line. But this still can allow water to enter the vacuum line. The pen tube is instead supposed to be in the water-in line. What this does is puts the stream of water beyond the vacuum line opening which helps prevent backflow. Also it chokes the water line down and shoots a high velocity stream passed the vacuum line opening. This high velocity stream creates stronger vacuum than volume of water alone. All the air bubbles are trapped in the water flowing back in the bucket and this siphon effect is what is responsible for creating vacuum. Slipped my memory, please forgive. I'll go back and edit the other post as well.
So I'm down to about 20ml of blue solution. Mostly from evaporation. I did lose maybe 20ml out of 100ml. Amidst the fiasco I put a drop of solvent on a spoon and it left behind a white iridescent residue. The solution went from blue to milky and I see what I think is evidence that it is becoming super saturated. When you evaporate a solution and it becomes supersaturated it means there isn't enough solvent to keep the product dissolved so this is when crystals will form. It looks like skin on top of the liquid. This is called a 'Leonard sign' in chemistry. I see that and there's still a fair amount of solvent left so I'm expecting a tangible amount of precipitate. I see the solution becoming foggy, likely due to water still bound to the ethyl acetate. I didn't salt it out after it got wet I just went with it. I'll dry it out completely and recrystallize. Extra step, my bad, learn from my mistake. I'll finish drying tonight. I got ahead of myself wanting to get this posted but it is a good learning experience. Losses were minor, were still on track. I'll rebuild the aspirator and show you how it's supposed to work.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26403630 - 12/27/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMPRESSIVE BROTHER
GOOD FOR YOU DOING THAT WORK
LOVED MY DMT AND MESCALINE TEKS
Doing these style extractions is why i document so heavily with mycology work. Just use to it and how could you possible remember without your own teks
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26403771 - 12/27/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very interesting. Thanks for all this, man.
Do you have any ideas for a consumable medium to mix with the psilocin once it's eventually separated?
Could one mix it up with, say, homemade caramel liquid hot from the pot, would it remain stable in vodka, or jello or even a flavoured agar? You can make gummies from corn syrup and agar, and flavour.
I know it's got to stay out of light and away from oxygen. Heat comes into it at some point too.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
#26403793 - 12/27/19 10:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is supposed to be preserved forever in natural honey. I'm gonna make lemonade and call it halluci-juice. Jk I'll prob try it in beer. My buddy brews. It's supposed to have a low solubility in ethanol so high proof alcohol prob not the best choice but I imagine there's enough water in 80 proof that it would work just fine. Idk. Well just have to experiment.  Maybe I'll get someone to booty-bump it
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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Thanks for posting all this, I'm eager to see what your final yields are like!
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#26403937 - 12/28/19 01:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think there is a wrong answer. Ive been experimenting with the gummies personally just because I think they are more desirable than my chochlate drops. Gummies don't melt in the jacket pocket!!!
Really like the honey idea alot for immediate long term storage.
I do not know how to determine the shelf life of raw psycilo but my understand is that once you have your molocule get it stable asap. Thats all i have for you bud.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: YogiBear]
#26409298 - 12/31/19 12:44 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Round two. I've learned some things from the last try. First off these pH strips test a bunch of things and I think I was misreading them the last time. I reran the extraction using the right chemicals and the correct pH and I'll share what is different this time. There are some things they say to do that sound good on paper but aren't so good in real world application. After vapping off my solvent from last time I found about a teaspoon of acid was still trapped in the solvent and this was preventing it from drying all the way. This means I never actually neutralized the solution and now I see why. I'll explain when I get there.
 ^since I only used vinegar to soak them last time I saved the mush and reextracted it, I also added another 5g dry mush. At this point I'm just getting the process ironed out. I'll have to do it a third time to find actual percentage bc I've had some losses. When I can produce clean residue I will do a larger extraction.
 ^After gravity filtering through two filters I'm left with this solution much like last time. ^In the bottom right corner you can see my ph strips. At this phase I need to neutralize the solution. I had 100ml of 30% acetic acid which tested out of range of these strips but seems to be about 4 so I went with it. The paper says to add ammonia until pH 8. After adding almost 200ml of ammonia in 50ml increments and the pH not changing hardly at all I decided there is a better way to do this. You can see the bottom 3 strips look the same. After doing it my way the pH actually changes on the fourth strip up.
Typically they just say to adjust the pH with a base like lye or in this case ammonia. The acid is so concentrated and the ammonia is so weak I would need a gallon jug and a whole bottle of ammonia which is wasteful and not needed. They prob had stronger ammonia.
So when adjusting the pH of a solution with a fragile molecule it is better to use a buffer to neutralize the solution and then add a small amount of Base to adjust the pH from neutral. In this case sodium bicarbonate is convenient. I added baking soda until it stops fizzing. I had to move to a larger jar bc there was so much solution and fizz. This is a good visual indicator of when to check the pH. When it is neutral it only takes a small amount, in this case 10ml of ammonia was sufficient. Had I done this to begin with I would have had half as much solution.

 ^After the last 10ml 5% ammonia was added you can see we are now in range. The picture looks slightly more pink than it did in real life.  ^10 min hot water bath, on simmer, there are bubbles but it's not boiling. After ten min solution was placed in the fridge to cool.
 ^after cooling The solution has changed color to this darker bluish solution. I think using 100ml ethyl acetate is overkill compared to how much were extracting so I only used 50ml this time. I seperated it using a waterbottle sep funnel. Once the water layer was removed I salted the solvent and removed another layer of water just like before.
 ^so we have dry solvent to evap. The aspirator I rebuilt works well but I wanted to see if a store bought one performed any better. They perform the same but the store bought one has a valve and is adjustable so I've decided to use it. I ran it all night with no backflow. This vacuum isn't as strong as using a pump so it's not boiling the solvent by using vacuum. What I did was poke a tiny hole in the lid of the vacuum chamber and covered it with mp tape. It's small enough that we are still under a fair amount of vacuum but dry air is able to pass through the system. I put the vacuum chamber on a coffee maker which should hold temp about 160-170 which is the boiling point of ethyl acetate. The vacuum won't Max out bc air is able to be sucked into the chamber to absorb solvent fumes and be sucked out through the aspirator. This is how much has evaporated in an hour. This is how to use a weak vacuum to our advantage. We're just using it to keep dry air flowing into and out of the vacuum chamber.
In the past a really good vacuum source can be found in any refrigerator that runs but may be out of refrigerant. There is a pump in the bottom with two copper lines soldered to it. One is intake and one is exhaust. They are small lines and it's easy to find tubing to hose clamp onto the vacuum line of the pump. These pumps are really strong and cheap if bought second hand. Vacuum this strong can damage glassware if not being cautious but it's an option i thought I'd mention. Only problem is the pump assembly is submerged in oil and I don't know if the fumes are able to be absorbed by the oil. I also don't know if the components are damaged by solvents and acid over time. Mine ran for a long time before it went missing.
 Respirator pic for those that were concerned. ;-}>
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26409855 - 12/31/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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↑cell phone pic of residue.
 ↑Residue under microscope. Sorry I know the microscope pics are small. Easy to see on a phone but I haven't figured out how to fix it.
So I like the coffee pot trick it worked well. It has a timer where it only runs a couple hours which is nice to prevent burning product. I don't use the coffee pot I just put the vac chamber where the pot goes and when I turn it on it turns on the warmer underneath. The shot glass weighed 88.7g and now it weighs 88.82g. I'm sure that's terrible but I've spilled some and had shit happen. Next one will be better, the point is we have obtained what they describe in the paper and even with my clumsiness we have tangible residue.
From this point I would try to recrystallize with different solvents...
Or I could eat it and see how hard I trip for new year's...
I think this extraction would be better if I can find a way to crash the crystals out of solution instead of waiting a day to dry it. I don't like waisting chemicals if I can cold crash it and filter out the goodies.
 And this is what I'm left with. Not sure what I'm looking at. I think the baking soda made sodium acetate and the ammonia made ammonium acetate which have a high affinity for water. There is also salt. It could be that the clear bottom contains the salts and the top still has solvent or maybe more stuff to extract. I did only use one 50ml portion.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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End up testing out your results?
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Yes, I tried it on the first of the month. I don't know quite what to think yet though. I was drinking when I ran the extraction and I accidentally spilled some so I was unable to determine the what the total yeild was. I extracted 5g and what I was left with weighed .12 in the shot glass. I prob lost half of it but the fact that I had a tangible amount gives me hope for the next try. I will be doing it one more time using what I've learned by following that paper but this time I will be doing the whole thing my way. I have a better way to get the product without evaping it all day. I don't know if the heat damaged it at all or if I lost a lot when it spilled.
It was dry in the bottom of a shot glass so I filled it with beer and drank it. I figure it couldn't be any stronger than 5g so I took the leap. What happened was a very intense body high and definite visuals but what was weird is the visuals had no colors, it was clear like looking through heat on the highway. I tripped for about 12hrs. One thing I noticed that I've not noticed before on mushrooms was that my pupils were enormous. Most of my eye was pupil. I have been eating mushrooms all month and I could already tell my tolerance was up. I think the extract jacked my tolerance through the roof bc I ate a gram of pans last night and almost had a good trip but the volume was turned way down. I even ate some cubes after the first hour. The pans were my first flush ever and they were small but numerous. I've never had them so I don't know if I grew weak ass pans or if my tolerance is so high. I'm taking the month off to grow and run another extraction. I'll def post it if anyone is interested. The last time this happened I bought a pound and had been eating them for about six weeks and at the end all I would get was the body buzz and not being able to sleep. Don't know if anyone else has had this.
  This is my first pan cyan flush ever. Piddly but I'm just happy they grew, I can always get better but I have to start somewhere. I have several trays pinning and a mono with good sized fruits and clusters but not as numerous. If I can get a good flush this is what I will be extracting.
 This is the mono a few days ago. It was spawned at the same time, same sub, same spawn. I count this as part of my first pan grow and it's also my first time growing anything in a mono. Def have some clusters to clone and the fruits aren't short like the other tray. I've set up the humidity controller in the Martha so I'm hoping the next flushes will be better. Still learning.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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I've never grown or had the opportunity to experience pans yet, so I've got no input on that. I'd certainly be interested in hearing about further extractions as well as your any progress with improving your pan grow tek. It's interesting that you felt that the extract was so different from eating straight mushrooms. Would you say your headspace was any different besides the lack of color? Any more similar to acid or mescaline?
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Def not like acid. I haven't had the pleasure of mescaline but would love to. I would say overall it was still very much like regular mushrooms. Bc I wasnt able to calculate the total yeild and dosage idk if it was strong and I just didn't have that much or if it was weakend by the heat and that's why the visuals were different or if my tolerance is too high. I think many would argue that the experience is subjective so really at this point the only facts are I was able to extract something and it was def psychoactive. My head was very clear though, the typical things I see when I close my eyes weren't there.
The next extraction I'll have better data. I'll be trying to recrystallize the residue. Crystals are easier to work with than goo and I'll be able to examine them under microscope to hopefully confirm they are the right shape for psilocin. The paper makes the assumption that everything is converted to psilocin but if other actives are carried along with it, it might not crystalize. This will tell me a lot more about the product than eating goo and speculating. The residue had a very familiar mushroom odor but all mushroom mass was filtered out and the solution was clear before drying, thought that was interesting. I want to have everything on point before I let any one else try it but I won't know more until I feed it to some fresh unbiased brains ;-}>
Psilocybin content varies based on such factors as species and preparation. The most commonly used mushroom is Psilocybe cubensis, which contains 10–12 mg of psilocybin per gram of dried mushrooms; effective oral doses range from 6 to 20 mg and about 40 µg/kg is considered the threshold level for intoxication. I extracted 5g of dry cubes and recovered .12g of residue. .12g/5g=.024mg per gram which is higher than it should be. I did add the the new 5g to the 6g leftover I tried to extract the first time. (which must not have worked bc the acid wasn't strong enough, but I recovered it when I reran the extraction). So .12g/11g=.010mg per gram which sounds about right but I don't know how much I spilled so this would be a low estimate.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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I'd like to update this thread with a bit of information I recently learned. For the sake of those who may be looking this up at some point in the future.
Diethyl ether is an unstable compound. In the presence of oxygen (everywhere you're ever going to be) it will form peroxides and if they build up it can spontaneously combust. I guess that's why it's a controlled substance in some countries. There is a good reason for it. That and it is a potent anesthetic.
All you chemists out there who know things would be good to mention stuff like this to us ignorant enthusiasts out there like me. Just saying something is 'dangerous' doesn't do shit. I can't even put the sun visor down in my car anymore without seeing some warning label about 'dangerous'. That word is wore out. It's ruined.
I spent decades hearing about how marijuana and magic mushrooms were so 'dangerous' too. Then when something comes along that's a potential bomb, the word 'dangerous' just falls flat.
This peroxide phenomenon can be monitored with 'potassium iodide / starch paper', and the peroxides can be removed by pouring the ether through a column of activated alumina. Or distillation.Since this method does not destroy peroxides the alumina should be flushed with a dilute acid solution of potassium iodide or ferrous sulfate following treatment to remove peroxides from the alumina.
So it seems that's a good reason why ethyl acetate is a much safer choice for a solvent than diethyl ether. Apparently it can form these peroxides too but the risk of spontaneous combustion is much lower. I'm not clear on precisely how low it is, or if peroxide precautions must be taken if evaporating the ethyl acetate with heat. (boiling point 77C). Im planning on using a boiling flask and running the vapour through a condenser for re-use.
I could use some advice on solvent maintenance. Is it important to dry the ethyl acetate? Some water will get into it, I know, but does that matter? Does water break it down or do something bad?
I'm really interested in this and am going to do it. I'm still not in a situation where I can but that's coming up eventually. Time frame...months. I've got pounds to play with and really want to try refined psilocin.
Was just reading up last night and thought Id share. Stay safe out there.
Here's some related trivia! Ethyl acetate is normally present in wine. I didn't know that.
Occurrence in wines[edit] Ethyl acetate is the most common ester in wine, being the product of the most common volatile organic acid – acetic acid, and the ethyl alcohol generated during the fermentation. The aroma of ethyl acetate is most vivid in younger wines and contributes towards the general perception of "fruitiness" in the wine. Sensitivity varies, with most people having a perception threshold around 120 mg/L. Excessive amounts of ethyl acetate are considered a wine fault.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
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That is really cool and good info. I thought that I had mentioned anhydrous diethyl ether can spontaneously combust which is why I substituted it. It's not just the peroxides tho, due to forces called hydrogen bonding it is able to generate enough static electricity when shaken to self detonate.
There's no need to fear chemicals they just deserve respect. Ppl use ether everyday and you never hear anything. The danger comes when evaporating large portions of it in an environment that isn't spark free. (Electric motors, pilot lights, etc) When it mixes with air to the right air/fuel ratio it detonates twice as fast as dynomite. Liquid ether isn't as dangerous as ether fumes. It can be used safely but there are better alternatives.
That's why in the beginning I said I won't recommend ppl using ether. Most ether comes stabilized with either water or cyclic hydrocarbons or both. I just didn't want to deal with seperating them for this extraction.
The ethyl acetate shouldn't have much water in it if any, I've found most purchased solvents to be pure. I added the step of salting out the water before seperation bc it's convenient but if someone wanted to distill their solvents before use it would be a best practice. I usually do this with at least 1000ml just to have it on hand but this extraction doesn't require it.
Didn't know it was in wine but it makes sense. Ethylene has a double bond that when oxidized becomes ethyl alcohol, alcohols oxidise to become aldehydes or ketones and ethanal (ethyl aldehyde) oxides to become a carboxylic acid (acetic acid) this progression is what happens when wine goes sour.
  I started a batch of moonshine over the weekend. It will be ready to distill this weekend. These pics aren't that interesting, just prepping the mash but I'll have pics of the still to share soon. Going to be doing more work on this extraction and a couple others as soon as I have more fruits. I'll will keep posting in this thread if you want to see it otherwise I have a chemistry thread in my journal where I post my work.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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I managed to do a sketchy run of this process.
I powdered 10 grams of mushrooms in a blender and used about 100mls 'Allen's cleaning vinegar'. 10% acetic acid.
The ph of the mix was about 4.5, a little high, but good enough for a sketch run I guess. I have ordered some 25% ammonium hydroxide off eBay and it has yet to arrive, so I picked up a bottle of 'LA's totally awesome clear ammonia' at the dollar store.
I used one of those little fine sieves people have in their kitchen to filter out the mush, you know, those small, bowl shaped screens with a handle.
I could hardly believe how much ammonia it took to bring the solution up to ph 8. It was about 1.5 litres to basify 100mls vinegar solution.
This made the ethyl acetate portion of the process harder for me, as my container was too small and I had to fuck around.
I didn't have a separatory funnel, I thought Id use a turkey baster. That didn't work very well. The ethyl acetate layer was quite thin and it was nearly impossible to suck up the ethyl acetate without getting some of the aqueous layer, but I did the best I could. Definitely going to use a separatory funnel or at least rig something up with a pop bottle and 1/4 tubing to separate it perfectly when I try this again.
Since I was only using about 100mls of ethyl acetate, I just boiled it off without a condenser to collect it. Yes, I had ventilation(that stuff reeks). I didn't dry it either (don't have sodium sulphate yet).
I put it in a glass and placed that in a pot of water kept at about 85C. I could see the ethyl acetate boiling away. When it stopped boiling, I left it in there a while longer. After a long time, the liquid in the glass still smelled of ethyl acetate. I could not seem to get rid of it entirely. The liquid did have a greenish color to it, as I was hoping it would.
So I mixed up the residue with a bit of corn syrup. I was going to use honey, but when I went upstairs to get the honey ready, I found that it had been eaten. There was a bottle of corn syrup sitting there and now Ive got about 50 mls of corn syrup+psilocin(I hope)+water+something that reeks.
I guess the reek is from the ethyl acetate, the concoction kind of smells like a sweet whiskey drink.
Im a little scared to try the concoction. I was telling myself that ethyl acetate is not very toxic (it's in wine. You've drank some before), but then I have no idea what was in that ammonia I got at the dollar store. I can find no information about it's ingredients anywhere.
Clear ammonia can be pure water and ammonium hydroxide, or it can have additives, as far as I understand.
Boy, they don't make it very easy for people to make their own drugs at home using chemistry, do they?
Im having a hell of a time getting this stuff here in Canada. All the chemistry supply places online won't sell to the public.
But I have one question I hope somebody here can answer. Instead of using ammonium hydroxide to basify, can you use sodium hydroxide instead? It's way cheaper and easier to get.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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Ya don't eat that. The ethyl acetate will boil off all the way you just didn't go long enough. And that part I added about using baking soda to neutralize and then a little ammonia to basify would have avoided that whole too much solution problem. I already posed practical workarounds for these issues. Glad you ran your first one though. Then next will be easier. It took me about half a day to vap off 100ml. I'm working on the next step for the extraction so we don't have to dry the ethyl acetate but I'm waiting on this tub to fruit. It's pinning now.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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Since you've gotten this far and you put it in corn syrup you can still save your product. The corn syrup is water soluble. Add enough boiling water to dissolve the syrup a little. You'll see whatever ethyl acetate residue prob floating on top. Pour off the top or suck it up with a dropper if you can see blobs of it. Alternately if you don't see much residue floating you can pour it through a coffee filter and likely the ethyl acetate will get caught on the filter. Boil your solution until it's as thick as you wanted and smell. Should have no more solvent smell. At this point I would feel comfortable trying it I can't recommend you do anything tho.
We can only do this bc you already performed the a/b extraction you just need to strip it of solvent
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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Ah, forgot about your baking soda method.
That's a saviour because it's cheap and available. Can you explain it a little please? Why finish it off with ammonia? Can't the baking soda bring it to ph8? And what is the significance of the word 'buffer' here?
Also, is sodium hydroxide a bad idea here?
I ended up trying a little bit of the concoction. It seemed really good. Didn't feel a body load, OR the pre-comeup confusion mushrooms always give me.
Thanks for all the advice with this, probably wouldn't have made it this far without it.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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Ok so baking soda is a buffer, it can neutralize acids or bases to keep the pH close to neutral until the sodium bicarbonate runs out. The reason to use the baking soda is it neutralizes the acetic acid and we can see visually when it stops making bubbles and it doesn't add volume to the solution. The reason we finish with the ammonia is bc once we have a neutral solution it only takes a small amount to bring the pH to 8. Sodium hydroxide would work as well but still use the baking soda to neutralize first. It's easier not to go too far with baking soda, it's easy to add to much lye.
That's great that it worked. Ya my experience with it was intense. I was still tripping the next day. No stomach troubles. Did you notice if your pupils were huge? Mine were gigantic.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26489216 - 02/16/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't do very much. Just caught a buzz.
I hope this is an efficient process, I mean I hope all the actives get captured.
I keep thinking of using a food processor and doing this to fresh mushrooms. I wonder how that would work? Most of the water would already be there, Id have to use a very strong acetic acid. 75% is available as a janitorial product.
Fresh always have seemed better than dried to me. Maybe there's more actives in them. Maybe it's something else.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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I think you're right. I wanted to do fresh but for the sake of following the lab procedure I did by dry weight. If ever get a nice pan flush I want to compare it with those. Took about an hour total minus waiting for it to dry and the yield was pretty good considering I spilled a bunch.
I don't think you'll need any different acid with fresh mush but if it's blended to much it could be a bitch to filter. I'm using 30% vinegar from blue water chem group. Bought it at d&b supply. Don't know if you have those but it's like a home Depot with agricultural stuff.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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Psilocybin is 100% soluble in dihydrogen monoxide at maximum thermal activity in only 10 minutes. Just be careful when handligt anything at maximum thermal activity guys, especially the monoxide based dihydrogens. Gl
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I thought they banned that stuff
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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Banned what, boiling water? Nah It's legal as hell. Check out the Tea Tek in my sig
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Mateja]
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Didn't you ever hear that urban legend about the push to ban dihydrogen monoxide? The odourless colourless chemical athletes use to enhance performance?
Children sometimes get in their lungs and die.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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Have no clue, but I've heard psilocin is so unstable that it gets destroyed by the process of drying so I don't understand the point in 8btaining something that's so fragile that as soon as you obtain it it gets destroyed. I've heard about psilocin extraction but have never met or spoked to anyone that has even been close to obtaining anything close to it. All I've seen is urban legends talking about 'crystals of the gods' or whatever. Psilocybin gets trapped inside the dried tissue and lasts for years without losing potency, and it's 100% soluble in thermally activated h2o and doesn't decay as soon as you look at it like psilocin seems to do I honestly have no clue what the point would even be in trying to obtain something that decays as soon as it takes shape. Seems pointless
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: Mateja]
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It isn't that fragile, psilocybin is less stable than psilocin but the body must convert into psilocin anyway. Psilocybin is a prodrug, a precursor. This isn't a tea Tek it's an extraction and conversion to dry psilocin. The reason I'm doing it is bc I'm good at chemistry and there is a lot of misinformation. One thing I have learned is psilocin can be heated for hours in liquid form and still be active, I was afraid it would decay as well but it doesn't seem to. Crystalizing the residue is my next step but it isn't necessary, just something I want to do.
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spiritlands said: psilocybin is less stable than psilocin but the body must convert into psilocin anyway.
What happens to psilocin and baeocystin after 24h in the dehydrator? And what happenes to psilocybin after the same process?
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spiritlands said: One thing I have learned is psilocin can be heated for hours in liquid form and still be active, I was afraid it would decay as well but it doesn't seem to.
"doesn't seem to" or "doesn't"? What was the experiment you ran to determine this? Is it documented or can you explain how you came to this insight?
I've been searching into this for years and finally found my own methods and results which I have documented scientifically and I KNOW FOR A FACT when actives decay, at what ratio and at what Temps, but you apparently think "it doesn't seem to decay" and that statement is a red flag for me when it comes from someone that claims he's more or less advanced when it comes to this topic. Please show me more scientific explanations, what did you boil, at what Temps, föand for how long and well see if it can be replicated. If you're passionate about this as I am you'll happily share your methods and we'll compare to my methods and results. Looking forward
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Latest procedure Organic chemistry and synthesis is my focus. I've ran this extraction/conversion twice first following their method and then modifying it and running it my way. I've only been messing with mush and chemistry for a couple months but I've been practicing organic chemistry for about fifteen years. My lab was stolen a couple years ago and I'm putting together a new kit. I'm not working with baeo and don't have a way to do chromatography on the product but I pulled .12g from ten grams dry cubes which comes out to about 12% or .012mg/gram which is the average potency for cubes. Considering I spilled some I think those results are pretty good. I haven't left extract to age to see how long it keeps, I first needed to determine the product was active and how strong it was.
If you have info on temps and percent degradation this would be a good place to share it and how you went about it. The crystallization I'm working on will be for visually identifying (hopefully) the crystal structure of the product under microscope. I say it didn't seem to lose potency bc I dried the extract under heat and vacuum for 8+ hrs and when I consumed it I didn't come down for 12hrs.
I'm not an expert on these extractions, I just know my way around a lab. I'm trying to gather relevant info and proving out practical applications that work. It's a learning experience and it's a team effort. Have to say it was nice to not have to eat a pile of cubes, no nausea, fast come up, didn't taste bad either.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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12hrs eh?
How would taking an extract double the duration of a trip?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
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Couldn't tell you. It was an experiment. Have you ever had your pupils massively dilate from mushrooms? Bc I never have until I ate that extract. I've never eaten ten grams of cubes either. Just sharing what happened take it however you want. As more ppl share their experiences maybe we'll learn more. I took it at midnight when I got off work and I hadn't come down at noon the next day. Had to go to work coming down.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26490644 - 02/17/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's a bizarre question tbh.
I've eaten 10g and it didnt last 12hrs. The most basic shroom extract is tea and that has an even shorter duration.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
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I really could care less if you believe it or not. I'm doing this for my own curiosity and I'm reporting what happened bc I want to know. There's no point in falsifying results. If you notice I don't edit my mistakes I share them so others don't have to make the same mistakes. Don't know if I've wronged you in some other life or what but unless you're going to try it for yourself we really have nothing to discuss here.
And the question about the pupils was a real one. I've never noticed my pupils dilate on mushrooms. With the extract my pupils were massive. Have you ever noticed it on high doses?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
#26490664 - 02/17/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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My pupils become huge with half a gram.
I dont get why'd you think that because I dont 'believe' you means some wrong has been done.
Cant I just not believe you based off all previous crystal of the gods style shit being complete bs?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
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I think the crystals of the gods is bs too but that's not what this is. My first extraction was a fail and I shared it. Then I corrected it and the second one worked. I don't know everything about this but I'm not afraid to try it and find out.
I like you but it doesn't seem like you like me very much and that's ok, I just don't like being called a liar about something I have really no way to prove by someone that hasn't done this. All I have is my pics and my word.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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I don't think you'll need any different acid with fresh mush but if it's blended to much it could be a bitch to filter.
I was thinking the same about filtration. Would vacuum filtration with a Buchner funnel overcome that? That's what I was hoping, but I don't know how well it actually works, Ive only ever heard about it.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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Ya it might help but I'm thinking one of those wire mesh strainers for the kitchen sink would be best. The problem is gooey things clog filter material fast. If the chunks can be caught before it hits the filter paper it should filter pretty easy.
The other downside I see of using fresh is that it takes up a lot more volume. We're not gonna be able to stuff a 100g fresh mush in 200 ml acetic acid. At least with dry material it's as condensed as it can be.
Well just have to try it. Never blended fresh mush before maybe it won't be that hard to filter.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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correct. we have nothing to go on but some pictures and your word.
so when you say 'the second one worked' and then describe the workings in a way that mushrooms dont work... it raises the eyebrow.
plus this thread is really off topic from mushcult. dont you think if i didnt like you/the topic id move it by now?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: mushboy]
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Idk man it's not my thread. I just share here bc other ppl expressed the interest. My stuff is in my journal. Perhaps we can do this in pm instead of op's thread.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
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spiritlands said: Ya it might help but I'm thinking one of those wire mesh strainers for the kitchen sink would be best. The problem is gooey things clog filter material fast. If the chunks can be caught before it hits the filter paper it should filter pretty easy.
The other downside I see of using fresh is that it takes up a lot more volume. We're not gonna be able to stuff a 100g fresh mush in 200 ml acetic acid. At least with dry material it's as condensed as it can be.
Well just have to try it. Never blended fresh mush before maybe it won't be that hard to filter.
100g fresh already has about 90ml water in it, right? Wouldn't adding 10-20ml super-strong acetic acid to that be the same as adding 100ml vinegar to 10 dried grams?
Whatever, we'll figure it out what works. I was thinking it would be nice to just pick mushrooms and do this all in one fell swoop without dehydrating and storing. Or even cleaning the bits of coir off the bottom of the mushy.
As for the vacuum filtration, I had this idea that Id lay some silkscreen over the filter to help not clog it up, and then just lift it away, mush and all, but, I don't even know what the deal is. Ive seen some of these buchners with little holes in a plate that obviously accommodate filter paper or something like that, but it seems there are ones with a permanent filter of some kind. Id be worried about clogging those.
The original recipe said filter with 'glass wool'. I don't even know what that is.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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how to make the tootsie roll extract though? hasn't anyone ever seen or even heard of it. could it be an alcohol extraction? Just curious as this op is the closest I've seen to making something of that sort.
Edit: nm I just found numerous posts saying that it is an alcohol extraction. sorry for the derail.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
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Well the vinegar I'm using is 30%. Household vinegar was not strong enough. I believe I used 200ml 30% vinegar and I added 50ml water to get the pH to 4. I supposed if you combined your vinegar and mush, blend it, then check your ph the result would be similar. You just want to make sure the acid and water from the mush are able to mix so your pH reading is accurate.
The reason they used glass wool is bc they pour it down a column. Sometimes they use glass wool, sometimes sand or glass beads/crushed glass. They use a filter at the bottom but the glass doesn't absorb much solvent it just keeps the chunks away from the filter material. A setup like that is best suited for when you have a large volume to filter. I don't prefer it bc it's a bitch to get stuff out of all the glass depending what you're filtering.
Vacuum filtration is nice and it's easy. The jar I show on my vacuum chamber is basically all you need for vacuum filtration. Cut an extra hole large enough for a funnel and have the vacuum line connected to the jar lid. It will suck everything through the filter down into the jar. You just want to be gentle on the vacuum. Any time you're forcing something through a filter there's a chance of it tearing so gentle vac and patience is the ticket. They have these little rubber seals at beer brewing places that are convenient bc they fit into a hole and gives you a good seal on the funnel. They have lots of different rubber stoppers too, find one that fits.
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