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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26403256 - 12/27/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)


After the filtering I came home and checked the pH on 5% vinegar. It's maybe a little over 1 it barely showed on the strip. So I added 1 teaspoon of 30% acetic acid to reach a pH of 4. Then the solution was placed on a water bath set to simmer. This was done for ten min.

These are the chemicals I am working with.

While that's boiling I drilled a hole in a jar lid just big enough to thread a barb fitting into and then rtv. If you're careful drilling the hole it will be tight and firm when it cures. This makes getting the hoses on easier. This pic came out dark but you can see the step-up drill bit I'm using. These are very handy.

Boil is over. The paper says to cool in water bath I believe but I'm sticking it in the fridge. Once it's cool the pH was adjusted to 8 using ammonia. There's no percentage in the bottle, it's generic white ammonia. Took about 30ml to reach 8.

50ml ethyl acetate was added. I stirred by hand but then decided to run it on the stir plate. Did this with two 50ml portions for about 5 min each. Both of these were combined in a water bottle. Most of my glassware was stolen while I was away so I will be improvising a sep funnel. I poke a tiny hole in a good spot in the bottom where you can see. Quickly tilt the bottle so the hole is on the bottom and let the water layer drain out. Stop just after the water leaves. You will lose some solvent and product but it's ok. You can keep this portion and add further portions later. In chemistry we call this a mother liquor. Sounds funny.

After seperating the layers you can see there is water still in the bottom. This may have slipped through or this may be entrained water falling out of the ethyl acetate. This is the layer we must eliminate and dry the solution of. ↓

The paper calls for drying over sodium sulfate but I'm going to salt it out. Basically the water can mix with the ethyl acetate. Salt however does not. But it does dissolve in water. So as I add table salt to the solution and stir. The salt scavenges the water from my solvent. This is a great trick but it is dependant on what you're working with and what your trying to do. Convenient in this case.

A good example is isopropyl alcohol. Salt will dissolve in the water but not isopropanol so by adding salt you can watch two layers form which drives the alcohol out of solution.

Further I believe that's what drives the psilocin up during the a/b extraction. We don't add solvent until we neutralize the solution creating ammonium acetate salt. I believe this is more soluble in water than the psilocin and the psilocin is just as happy in the top layer so it helps drive it up. My Merck index book is missing as well which sucks I could just show you the data. This is just my speculation I could be wrong.

Solution will now look like salty goo at the bottom. The top is easily poured off into a dry vessel. This water layer with a tiny bit of solvent can be thrown in with the water layer from before (mother liquor). We now have one dry uniform layer. Time to set up the vacuum.

When the aspirator is running correctly you will see a stream of water going in and a stream off bubbles going out. Like so. We want it set up lower than the vacuum chamber to avoid any siphon from happening. I suggest deciding how you want it set up and then securing the hoses to something fixed bc it sucks when something falls and everything is connected together and your vacuum chamber tips over. Fill the bucket with ice.


Everything running smoothe up to this point. I'm gonna be real with you, I fucked up. I told you how to assemble the aspirator wrong. It does work but it's not strong enough vacuum. I made this same mistake the last time I built one and I guess I forgot, it's been a long time.

If water is able to get back up the vacuum tube it will do so. And this will happen some time after everything is running perfect and you pat yourself on the back and you look away... What can happen is the vacuum maxes out in the jar and maybe the aspirator hits some warmer water and doesn't pull as hard. Now the vacuum in the jar is stronger than the aspirator and a stream of water runs up the vacuum line gaining velocity and spooges all in your dry solvent.
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Ya, well that happened. Lucky for me I put the solvent in a shot glass and placed it on the opposite side of the vacuum tube. The water went around the shot glass and only a few drops got in. I stopped and poured it off.


Just before work I realized my mistake. This is how the aspirator is supposed to be assembled. The venturi is created when high volume of water passes by the vacuum line. But this still can allow water to enter the vacuum line. The pen tube is instead supposed to be in the water-in line. What this does is puts the stream of water beyond the vacuum line opening which helps prevent backflow. Also it chokes the water line down and shoots a high velocity stream passed the vacuum line opening. This high velocity stream creates stronger vacuum than volume of water alone. All the air bubbles are trapped in the water flowing back in the bucket and this siphon effect is what is responsible for creating vacuum. Slipped my memory, please forgive. I'll go back and edit the other post as well.

So I'm down to about 20ml of blue solution. Mostly from evaporation. I did lose maybe 20ml out of 100ml. Amidst the fiasco I put a drop of solvent on a spoon and it left behind a white iridescent residue. The solution went from blue to milky and I see what I think is evidence that it is becoming super saturated. When you evaporate a solution and it becomes supersaturated it means there isn't enough solvent to keep the product dissolved so this is when crystals will form. It looks like skin on top of the liquid. This is called a 'Leonard sign' in chemistry. I see that and there's still a fair amount of solvent left so I'm expecting a tangible amount of precipitate. I see the solution becoming foggy, likely due to water still bound to the ethyl acetate. I didn't salt it out after it got wet I just went with it. I'll dry it out completely and recrystallize. Extra step, my bad, learn from my mistake. I'll finish drying tonight. I got ahead of myself wanting to get this posted but it is a good learning experience. Losses were minor, were still on track. I'll rebuild the aspirator and show you how it's supposed to work.




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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26403630 - 12/27/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

IMPRESSIVE BROTHER

GOOD FOR YOU DOING THAT WORK

LOVED MY DMT AND MESCALINE TEKS

Doing these style extractions is why i document so heavily with mycology work. Just use to it and how could you possible remember without your own teks


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26403771 - 12/27/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Very interesting.  Thanks for all this, man.

Do you have any ideas for a consumable medium to mix with the psilocin once it's eventually separated?

Could one mix it up with, say, homemade caramel liquid hot from the pot, would it remain stable in vodka, or jello or even a flavoured agar?  You can make gummies from corn syrup and agar, and flavour.

I know it's got to stay out of light and away from oxygen.  Heat comes into it at some point too.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26403793 - 12/27/19 10:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It is supposed to be preserved forever in natural honey. I'm gonna make lemonade and call it halluci-juice. Jk I'll prob try it in beer. My buddy brews. It's supposed to have a low solubility in ethanol so high proof alcohol prob not the best choice but I imagine there's enough water in 80 proof that it would work just fine. Idk. Well just have to experiment.
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Maybe I'll get someone to booty-bump it


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26403840 - 12/27/19 11:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for posting all this, I'm eager to see what your final yields are like!


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26403937 - 12/28/19 01:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think there is a wrong answer. Ive been experimenting with the gummies personally just because I think they are more desirable than my chochlate drops. Gummies don't melt in the jacket pocket!!!

Really like the honey idea alot for immediate long term storage.

I do not know how to determine the shelf life of raw psycilo but my understand is that once you have your molocule get it stable asap. Thats all i have for you bud.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: YogiBear]
    #26409298 - 12/31/19 12:44 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)


Round two.
I've learned some things from the last try. First off these pH strips test a bunch of things and I think I was misreading them the last time. I reran the extraction using the right chemicals and the correct pH and I'll share what is different this time. There are some things they say to do that sound good on paper but aren't so good in real world application. After vapping off my solvent from last time I found about a teaspoon of acid was still trapped in the solvent and this was preventing it from drying all the way. This means I never actually neutralized the solution and now I see why. I'll explain when I get there.


^since I only used vinegar to soak them last time I saved the mush and reextracted it, I also added another 5g dry mush. At this point I'm just getting the process ironed out. I'll have to do it a third time to find actual percentage bc I've had some losses. When I can produce clean residue I will do a larger extraction.

^After gravity filtering through two filters I'm left with this solution much like last time.

^In the bottom right corner you can see my ph strips. At this phase I need to neutralize the solution. I had 100ml of 30% acetic acid which tested out of range of these strips but seems to be about 4 so I went with it. The paper says to add ammonia until pH 8. After adding almost 200ml of ammonia in 50ml increments and the pH not changing hardly at all I decided there is a better way to do this. You can see the bottom 3 strips look the same. After doing it my way the pH actually changes on the fourth strip up.

Typically they just say to adjust the pH with a base like lye or in this case ammonia. The acid is so concentrated and the ammonia is so weak I would need a gallon jug and a whole bottle of ammonia which is wasteful and not needed. They prob had stronger ammonia.

So when adjusting the pH of a solution with a fragile molecule it is better to use a buffer to neutralize the solution and then add a small amount of Base to adjust the pH from neutral. In this case sodium bicarbonate is convenient. I added baking soda until it stops fizzing. I had to move to a larger jar bc there was so much solution and fizz. This is a good visual indicator of when to check the pH. When it is neutral it only takes a small amount, in this case 10ml of ammonia was sufficient. Had I done this to begin with I would have had half as much solution.



^After the last 10ml 5% ammonia was added you can see we are now in range. The picture looks slightly more pink than it did in real life.

^10 min hot water bath, on simmer, there are bubbles but it's not boiling. After ten min solution was placed in the fridge to cool.

^after cooling The solution has changed color to this darker bluish solution. I think using 100ml ethyl acetate is overkill compared to how much were extracting so I only used 50ml this time. I seperated it using a waterbottle sep funnel. Once the water layer was removed I salted the solvent and removed another layer of water just like before.

^so we have dry solvent to evap. The aspirator I rebuilt works well but I wanted to see if a store bought one performed any better. They perform the same but the store bought one has a valve and is adjustable so I've decided to use it. I ran it all night with no backflow. This vacuum isn't as strong as using a pump so it's not boiling the solvent by using vacuum. What I did was poke a tiny hole in the lid of the vacuum chamber and covered it with mp tape. It's small enough that we are still under a fair amount of vacuum but dry air is able to pass through the system. I put the vacuum chamber on a coffee maker which should hold temp about 160-170 which is the boiling point of ethyl acetate. The vacuum won't Max out bc air is able to be sucked into the chamber to absorb solvent fumes and be sucked out through the aspirator. This is how much has evaporated in an hour. This is how to use a weak vacuum to our advantage. We're just using it to keep dry air flowing into and out of the vacuum chamber.

In the past a really good vacuum source can be found in any refrigerator that runs but may be out of refrigerant. There is a pump in the bottom with two copper lines soldered to it. One is intake and one is exhaust. They are small lines and it's easy to find tubing to hose clamp onto the vacuum line of the pump. These pumps are really strong and cheap if bought second hand. Vacuum this strong can damage glassware if not being cautious but it's an option i thought I'd mention. Only problem is the pump assembly is submerged in oil and I don't know if the fumes are able to be absorbed by the oil. I also don't know if the components are damaged by solvents and acid over time. Mine ran for a long time before it went missing.


Respirator pic for those that were concerned.
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26409855 - 12/31/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)


↑cell phone pic of residue.

↑Residue under microscope. Sorry I know the microscope pics are small. Easy to see on a phone but I haven't figured out how to fix it.

So I like the coffee pot trick it worked well. It has a timer where it only runs a couple hours which is nice to prevent burning product. I don't use the coffee pot I just put the vac chamber where the pot goes and when I turn it on it turns on the warmer underneath. The shot glass weighed 88.7g and now it weighs 88.82g. I'm sure that's terrible but I've spilled some and had shit happen. Next one will be better, the point is we have obtained what they describe in the paper and even with my clumsiness we have tangible residue.

From this point I would try to recrystallize with different solvents...

Or I could eat it and see how hard I trip for new year's...


I think this extraction would be better if I can find a way to crash the crystals out of solution instead of waiting a day to dry it. I don't like waisting chemicals if I can cold crash it and filter out the goodies.


And this is what I'm left with. Not sure what I'm looking at. I think the baking soda made sodium acetate and the ammonia made ammonium acetate which have a high affinity for water. There is also salt. It could be that the clear bottom contains the salts and the top still has solvent or maybe more stuff to extract. I did only use one 50ml portion.
Should I try to recrystallize or should I eat it and trip balls for new year's?
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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26425533 - 01/09/20 10:00 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

End up testing out your results?


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: EnlightenedSnail]
    #26425685 - 01/10/20 12:03 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Yes, I tried it on the first of the month. I don't know quite what to think yet though. I was drinking when I ran the extraction and I accidentally spilled some so I was unable to determine the what the total yeild was. I extracted 5g and what I was left with weighed .12 in the shot glass. I prob lost half of it but the fact that I had a tangible amount gives me hope for the next try. I will be doing it one more time using what I've learned by following that paper but this time I will be doing the whole thing my way. I have a better way to get the product without evaping it all day. I don't know if the heat damaged it at all or if I lost a lot when it spilled.


It was dry in the bottom of a shot glass so I filled it with beer and drank it. I figure it couldn't be any stronger than 5g so I took the leap. What happened was a very intense body high and definite visuals but what was weird is the visuals had no colors, it was clear like looking through heat on the highway. I tripped for about 12hrs. One thing I noticed that I've not noticed before on mushrooms was that my pupils were enormous. Most of my eye was pupil. I have been eating mushrooms all month and I could already tell my tolerance was up. I think the extract jacked my tolerance through the roof bc I ate a gram of pans last night and almost had a good trip but the volume was turned way down. I even ate some cubes after the first hour. The pans were my first flush ever and they were small but numerous. I've never had them so I don't know if I grew weak ass pans or if my tolerance is so high. I'm taking the month off to grow and run another extraction. I'll def post it if anyone is interested. The last time this happened I bought a pound and had been eating them for about six weeks and at the end all I would get was the body buzz and not being able to sleep. Don't know if anyone else has had this.

This is my first pan cyan flush ever. Piddly but I'm just happy they grew, I can always get better but I have to start somewhere. I have several trays pinning and a mono with good sized fruits and clusters but not as numerous. If I can get a good flush this is what I will be extracting.

This is the mono a few days ago. It was spawned at the same time, same sub, same spawn. I count this as part of my first pan grow and it's also my first time growing anything in a mono. Def have some clusters to clone and the fruits aren't short like the other tray. I've set up the humidity controller in the Martha so I'm hoping the next flushes will be better. Still learning.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26426314 - 01/10/20 10:49 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

I've never grown or had the opportunity to experience pans yet, so I've got no input on that. I'd certainly be interested in hearing about further extractions as well as your any progress with improving your pan grow tek. It's interesting that you felt that the extract was so different from eating straight mushrooms. Would you say your headspace was any different besides the lack of color? Any more similar to acid or mescaline?


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: EnlightenedSnail]
    #26426812 - 01/10/20 03:57 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Def not like acid. I haven't had the pleasure of mescaline but would love to. I would say overall it was still very much like regular mushrooms. Bc I wasnt able to calculate the total yeild and dosage idk if it was strong and I just didn't have that much or if it was weakend by the heat and that's why the visuals were different or if my tolerance is too high. I think many would argue that the experience is subjective so really at this point the only facts are I was able to extract something and it was def psychoactive. My head was very clear though, the typical things I see when I close my eyes weren't there.

The next extraction I'll have better data. I'll be trying to recrystallize the residue. Crystals are easier to work with than goo and I'll be able to examine them under microscope to hopefully confirm they are the right shape for psilocin. The paper makes the assumption that everything is converted to psilocin but if other actives are carried along with it, it might not crystalize. This will tell me a lot more about the product than eating goo and speculating. The residue had a very familiar mushroom odor but all mushroom mass was filtered out and the solution was clear before drying, thought that was interesting.  I want to have everything on point before I let any one else try it but I won't know more until I feed it to some fresh unbiased brains ;-}>

Psilocybin content varies based on such factors as species and preparation. The most commonly used mushroom is Psilocybe cubensis, which contains 10–12 mg of psilocybin per gram of dried mushrooms; effective oral doses range from 6 to 20 mg and about 40 µg/kg is considered the threshold level for intoxication.
I extracted 5g of dry cubes and recovered .12g of residue.
.12g/5g=.024mg per gram which is higher than it should be. I did add the the new 5g to the 6g leftover I tried to extract the first time.
(which must not have worked bc the acid wasn't strong enough, but I recovered it when I reran the extraction).
So .12g/11g=.010mg per gram which sounds about right but I don't know how much I spilled so this would be a low estimate.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26446884 - 01/22/20 05:48 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I'd like to update this thread with a bit of information I recently learned.  For the sake of those who may be looking this up at some point in the future. 

Diethyl ether is an unstable compound.  In the presence of oxygen (everywhere you're ever going to be) it will form peroxides and if they build up it can spontaneously combust.  I guess that's why it's a controlled substance in some countries.  There is a good reason for it.  That and it is a potent anesthetic.

All you chemists out there who know things would be good to mention stuff like this to us ignorant enthusiasts out there like me.  Just saying something is 'dangerous' doesn't do shit.  I can't even put the sun visor down in my car anymore without seeing  some warning label about 'dangerous'.  That word is wore out.  It's ruined. 

I spent decades hearing about how marijuana and magic mushrooms were so 'dangerous' too.  Then when something comes along that's a potential bomb, the word 'dangerous' just falls flat.

This peroxide phenomenon can be monitored with 'potassium iodide / starch paper', and the peroxides can be removed by pouring the ether through a column of activated alumina.  Or distillation.Since this method does not destroy peroxides the alumina should be flushed with a dilute acid solution of potassium iodide or ferrous sulfate following treatment to remove peroxides from the alumina.

So it seems that's a good reason why ethyl acetate is a much safer choice for a solvent than diethyl ether.  Apparently it can form these peroxides too but the risk of spontaneous combustion is much lower.  I'm not clear on precisely how low it is, or if peroxide precautions must be taken if evaporating the ethyl acetate with heat. (boiling point 77C). Im planning on using a boiling flask and running the vapour through a condenser for re-use. 

I could use some advice on solvent maintenance.  Is it important to dry the ethyl acetate?  Some water will get into it, I know, but does that matter?  Does water break it down or do something bad? 

I'm really interested in this and am going to do it.  I'm still not in a situation where I can but that's coming  up eventually.  Time frame...months.  I've got pounds to play with and really want to try refined psilocin.

Was just reading up last night and thought Id share.  Stay safe out there.

Here's some related trivia!  Ethyl acetate is normally present in wine.  I didn't know that. 

Occurrence in wines[edit] Ethyl acetate is the most common ester in wine, being the product of the most common volatile organic acid – acetic acid, and the ethyl alcohol generated during the fermentation. The aroma of ethyl acetate is most vivid in younger wines and contributes towards the general perception of "fruitiness" in the wine. Sensitivity varies, with most people having a perception threshold around 120 mg/L. Excessive amounts of ethyl acetate are considered a wine fault.




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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26446935 - 01/22/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

That is really cool and good info. I thought that I had mentioned anhydrous diethyl ether can spontaneously combust which is why I substituted it. It's not just the peroxides tho, due to forces called hydrogen bonding it is able to generate enough static electricity when shaken to self detonate.

There's no need to fear chemicals they just deserve respect. Ppl use ether everyday and you never hear anything. The danger comes when evaporating large portions of it in an environment that isn't spark free. (Electric motors, pilot lights, etc) When it mixes with air to the right air/fuel ratio it detonates twice as fast as dynomite. Liquid ether isn't as dangerous as ether fumes. It can be used safely but there are better alternatives.

That's why in the beginning I said I won't recommend ppl using ether. Most ether comes stabilized with either water or cyclic hydrocarbons or both. I just didn't want to deal with seperating them for this extraction.

The ethyl acetate shouldn't have much water in it if any, I've found most purchased solvents to be pure. I added the step of salting out the water before seperation bc it's convenient but if someone wanted to distill their solvents before use it would be a best practice. I usually do this with at least 1000ml just to have it on hand but this extraction doesn't require it.

Didn't know it was in wine but it makes sense. Ethylene has a double bond that when oxidized becomes ethyl alcohol, alcohols oxidise to become aldehydes or ketones and ethanal (ethyl aldehyde) oxides to become a carboxylic acid (acetic acid) this progression is what happens when wine goes sour.


I started a batch of moonshine over the weekend. It will be ready to distill this weekend. These pics aren't that interesting, just prepping the mash but I'll have pics of the still to share soon.  Going to be doing more work on this extraction and a couple others as soon as I have more fruits. I'll will keep posting in this thread if you want to see it otherwise I have a chemistry thread in my journal where I post my work.


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26487626 - 02/15/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I managed to do a sketchy run of this process. 

I powdered 10 grams of mushrooms in a blender and used about 100mls 'Allen's cleaning vinegar'.  10% acetic acid.

The ph of the mix was about 4.5, a little high, but good enough for a sketch run I guess.  I have ordered some 25% ammonium hydroxide off  eBay and it has yet to arrive, so I picked up a bottle of 'LA's totally awesome clear ammonia' at the dollar store.

I used one of those little fine sieves people have in their kitchen to filter out the mush, you know, those small, bowl shaped screens with a handle.

I could hardly believe how much ammonia it took to bring the solution up to ph 8.  It was about 1.5 litres to basify 100mls vinegar solution.

This made the ethyl acetate portion of the process harder for me, as my container was too small and I had to fuck around.

I didn't have a separatory funnel, I thought Id use a turkey baster.  That didn't work very well.  The ethyl acetate layer was quite thin and it was nearly impossible to suck up the ethyl acetate without getting some of the aqueous layer, but I did the best I could.  Definitely going to use a separatory funnel or at least rig something up with a pop bottle and 1/4 tubing to separate it perfectly when I try this again. 


Since I was only using about 100mls of ethyl acetate, I just boiled it off without a condenser to collect it.  Yes, I had ventilation(that stuff reeks).  I didn't dry it either (don't have sodium sulphate yet). 

I put it in a glass and placed that in a pot of water kept at about 85C.  I could see the ethyl acetate boiling away.  When it stopped boiling, I left it in there a while longer.  After a long time, the liquid in the glass still smelled of ethyl acetate.  I could not seem to get rid of it entirely.  The liquid did have a greenish color to it, as I was hoping it would.

So I mixed up the residue with a bit of corn syrup.  I was going to use honey, but when I went upstairs to get the honey ready, I found that it had been eaten.  There was a bottle of corn syrup sitting there and now Ive got about 50 mls of corn syrup+psilocin(I hope)+water+something that reeks.

I guess the reek is from the ethyl acetate, the concoction kind of smells like a sweet whiskey drink.

Im a little scared to try the concoction.  I was telling myself that ethyl acetate is not very toxic (it's in wine.  You've drank some before), but then I have no idea what was in that ammonia I got at the dollar store.  I can find no information about it's ingredients anywhere.

Clear ammonia can be pure water and ammonium hydroxide, or it can have additives, as far as I  understand.

Boy, they don't make it very easy for people to make their own drugs at home using chemistry, do they?

Im having a hell of a time getting this stuff here in Canada.  All the chemistry supply places online won't sell to the public. 

But I have one question I hope somebody here can answer.  Instead of using ammonium hydroxide to basify, can you use sodium hydroxide instead?  It's way cheaper and easier to get.

                                                                     


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: JohnRainyII]
    #26487784 - 02/16/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ya don't eat that. The ethyl acetate will boil off all the way you just didn't go long enough. And that part I added about using baking soda to neutralize and then a little ammonia to basify would have avoided that whole too much solution problem. I already posed practical workarounds for these issues. Glad you ran your first one though. Then next will be easier. It took me about half a day to vap off 100ml. I'm working on the next step for the extraction so we don't have to dry the ethyl acetate but I'm waiting on this tub to fruit. It's pinning now.


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    #26487791 - 02/16/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Since you've gotten this far and you put it in corn syrup you can still save your product. The corn syrup is water soluble. Add enough boiling water to dissolve the syrup a little. You'll see whatever ethyl acetate residue prob floating on top. Pour off the top or suck it up with a dropper if you can see blobs of it. Alternately if you don't see much residue floating you can pour it through a coffee filter and likely the ethyl acetate will get caught on the filter. Boil your solution until it's as thick as you wanted and smell. Should have no more solvent smell. At this point I would feel comfortable trying it I can't recommend you do anything tho.

We can only do this bc you already performed the a/b extraction you just need to strip it of solvent


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Re: Psilocin extraction internet recipe [Re: spiritlands]
    #26488379 - 02/16/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ah, forgot about your baking soda method. 

That's a saviour because it's cheap and available.  Can you explain it a little please?  Why finish it off with ammonia?  Can't the baking soda bring it to ph8?  And what is the significance of the word 'buffer' here?

Also, is sodium hydroxide a bad idea here? 

I ended up trying a little bit of the concoction.  It seemed really good.  Didn't feel a body load, OR the pre-comeup confusion mushrooms always give me. 

Thanks for all the advice with this, probably wouldn't have made it this far without it.


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    #26488792 - 02/16/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok so baking soda is a buffer, it can neutralize acids or bases to keep the pH close to neutral until the sodium bicarbonate runs out. The reason to use the baking soda is it neutralizes the acetic acid and we can see visually when it stops making bubbles and it doesn't add volume to the solution. The reason we finish with the ammonia is bc once we have a neutral solution it only takes a small amount to bring the pH to 8. Sodium hydroxide would work as well but still use the baking soda to neutralize first. It's easier not to go too far with baking soda, it's easy to add to much lye.

That's great that it worked. Ya my experience with it was intense. I was still tripping the next day. No stomach troubles. Did you notice if your pupils were huge? Mine were gigantic.


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    #26489216 - 02/16/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't do very much.  Just caught a buzz.

I hope this is an efficient process, I mean I hope all the actives get captured. 

I keep thinking of using a food processor and doing this to fresh mushrooms.  I wonder how that would work?  Most of the water would already be there, Id have to use a very strong acetic acid.  75% is available as a janitorial product.

Fresh always have seemed better than dried to me.  Maybe there's more actives in them.  Maybe it's something else.

     


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