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A question about canning jars
    #26385313 - 12/16/19 02:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Besides the fact that it will be a pain load the jars is there any reason why I cant use quart jars that are NOT wide neck?

I have a canning jar funnel to make loading them easy but is there something else I'm not considering?


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26385318 - 12/16/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Regular mouth jars are fine. I think bod  uses regular mouth.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SFS96]
    #26385336 - 12/16/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ive got a mix of both but mostly reg mouth.

The filters are 10% less expensive for them, and I had this probably hairbrained idea that having a smaller opening would help with contaminants not getting in there.

The wide mouth are marginally easier to work with, I don't have to hold my loading funnel with one hand, and they are a bit easier to empty.

I have to be a careful when loading the PC.  I have a 23 quart presto and it holds ten jars, but if the bottom jars are reg mouth then I can't fit 3 wide mouths on top because the reg mouths are like 1 cm taller than the wides and that makes the difference.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26385377 - 12/16/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok thanks guys i was asking because i had lids for the regular mouth jars and only a few wide mouth jar lids and a ton of widemouth jars... but I found some plastic lids for the wide mouth jars and they actually worked fucking nice for making my lids with a SFD and injection port... check it out:



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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26385393 - 12/16/19 03:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah man with grains it really isn't a big issue just use what ya got it's not a big enough advantage to spend extra money if you already have jars.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26385437 - 12/16/19 04:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I gave up on plastic lids awhile ago.  Sure they make it easier when you're in the sab, but I started to get contamination problems and decided that they are not secure enough.  They worked for awhile but at some point, I think they started to warp slightly I guess from the repeated PCing, and maybe having jars on top of jars in the PC contributed to that, with the weight of the top jars pushing down on the plastic lids below while they are soft from the heat.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: Hillbillyjohn]
    #26385441 - 12/16/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Reg mouth are fine. I like regular mouth for masters and wide mouth for g2g receiving jars. Makes transferring easier. But either way they are fine.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26386420 - 12/17/19 04:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I gave up on plastic lids awhile ago.  Sure they make it easier when you're in the sab, but I started to get contamination problems and decided that they are not secure enough.  They worked for awhile but at some point, I think they started to warp slightly I guess from the repeated PCing, and maybe having jars on top of jars in the PC contributed to that, with the weight of the top jars pushing down on the plastic lids below while they are soft from the heat.




I've never heard that before...pasty uses them and even unscrew them slightly for gas exchange with no issues. It would take a lot of mobility for a contaminant to work it's way up around the threads and  into the jar...

I'm not worried about it. I would have to guess it wasn't because of the lids...

I Dunno tho.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26386500 - 12/17/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

birthing the cakes is way easier with wide mouth.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26386503 - 12/17/19 06:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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birthing the cakes is way easier with wide mouth.




I’m running grains yo


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: shroomgirl645]
    #26386504 - 12/17/19 06:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

OP is using quart jars for grains, not BRF cakes. I love my plastic lids, and as long as you buy quality ones, it will take a long ass time for them to warp.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: PopaCap]
    #26386527 - 12/17/19 06:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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OP is using quart jars for grains, not BRF cakes. I love my plastic lids, and as long as you buy quality ones, it will take a long ass time for them to warp.




What brand do u recommend ? I’m using maystays brand from Walmart because that’s all they had...


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26386546 - 12/17/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Those are the ones to stay away from. They may last you a couple runs, but I have like 40 brand new ones just sitting on my shelf because they didn’t hold up. The Ball lids are great, and I’ve heard good things about the ones sold through a mush supply site. Can’t think of which one off the top of my head.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26386551 - 12/17/19 07:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

oops, my mistake


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: PopaCap]
    #26386552 - 12/17/19 07:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Those are the ones to stay away from. They may last you a couple runs, but I have like 40 brand new ones just sitting on my shelf because they didn’t hold up. The Ball lids are great, and I’ve heard good things about the ones sold through a mush supply site. Can’t think of which one off the top of my head.




Aww shit I just cant win lol.

Ok well u think they'll hold up for atleast one PC cycle?


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26386560 - 12/17/19 07:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yeah, you may get lucky and they’ll last you a dozen. Another bit of advise is to not crank them down, especially when they are still hot after the PC cycle. Just past snug before they go in is perfect. If you pull them out before they are completely cooled, they will feel loose. DO NOT TIGHTEN!! They will shrink back to original tightness.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: PopaCap]
    #26386615 - 12/17/19 08:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's good advice thanks for that!


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26386819 - 12/17/19 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I gave up on plastic lids awhile ago.  Sure they make it easier when you're in the sab, but I started to get contamination problems and decided that they are not secure enough.  They worked for awhile but at some point, I think they started to warp slightly I guess from the repeated PCing, and maybe having jars on top of jars in the PC contributed to that, with the weight of the top jars pushing down on the plastic lids below while they are soft from the heat.




I've never heard that before...pasty uses them and even unscrew them slightly for gas exchange with no issues. It would take a lot of mobility for a contaminant to work it's way up around the threads and  into the jar...

I'm not worried about it. I would have to guess it wasn't because of the lids...

I Dunno tho.





Smdh, Blind leading the blind here..

Unmodded Plastic lids are fine if you have low contam rates but even with modded lids screwed all the way down I’ve had microscopic mites crawl up the threads and fuck me harder than any thai hooker.

They only warp if you try to tighten them while hot or over tighten before the PC cycle. Unless theyre shitty quality lids then you get what you pay for..

Just because it works for some people sometimes doesn't mean it works for everyone all the time. Verum wraps his plastic lids and I use silicone seals in mine now. Hell even Pasty (in thats thread you are referencing) says unmodded lids are more of a stop gap solution and should be modded when you have the time.


Also @spunky, dog you really need to learn how to use the search engine, you make like 3 threads a day with questions that have been answered 1000’s of times(like this one). Its either that or doom and gloom BS. Chill out and do some more reading.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26396756 - 12/23/19 04:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok thanks guys i was asking because i had lids for the regular mouth jars and only a few wide mouth jar lids and a ton of widemouth jars... but I found some plastic lids for the wide mouth jars and they actually worked fucking nice for making my lids with a SFD and injection port... check it out:



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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26397635 - 12/23/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've used the mainstays, ball, and ball leak proof without any problems (yet). I tighten when cold and mark the lid and jar with a line, loosen a bit before PC'ing, and then realign the lines so that when they cool it won't be over tightened and warped.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: AyePlus]
    #26397686 - 12/23/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't had any problem with the regular mouth plastic lids warping the smaller ones are alot sturdier than the wide mouth those suck and for me have to be left loose in the PC. Even with filters.

I also like using regular mouth for my masters.
I inoculate with a wedge then tape up the gap between the jar and lid. I'm slowly starting to switch over to only regular mouth jars but I think wide mouth are more aesthetically pleasing and I would hate to have to try making culture slants in regular mouth. Other than that I prefer regular mouth jars.
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I gave up on plastic lids awhile ago.  Sure they make it easier when you're in the sab, but I started to get contamination problems and decided that they are not secure enough.  They worked for awhile but at some point, I think they started to warp slightly I guess from the repeated PCing, and maybe having jars on top of jars in the PC contributed to that, with the weight of the top jars pushing down on the plastic lids below while they are soft from the heat.




I've never heard that before...pasty uses them and even unscrew them slightly for gas exchange with no issues. It would take a lot of mobility for a contaminant to work it's way up around the threads and  into the jar...

I'm not worried about it. I would have to guess it wasn't because of the lids...

I Dunno tho.





Smdh, Blind leading the blind here..

Unmodded Plastic lids are fine if you have low contam rates but even with modded lids screwed all the way down I’ve had microscopic mites crawl up the threads and fuck me harder than any thai hooker.

They only warp if you try to tighten them while hot or over tighten before the PC cycle. Unless theyre shitty quality lids then you get what you pay for..

Just because it works for some people sometimes doesn't mean it works for everyone all the time. Verum wraps his plastic lids and I use silicone seals in mine now. Hell even Pasty (in thats thread you are referencing) says unmodded lids are more of a stop gap solution and should be modded when you have the time.


Also @spunky, dog you really need to learn how to use the search engine, you make like 3 threads a day with questions that have been answered 1000’s of times(like this one). Its either that or doom and gloom BS. Chill out and do some more reading.



How did those leak proof lids work out for you and how is the mite problem going? Things getting better I hope
I think I've been having something going on too I'm thinking switching to whole sfds under my lids would solve my problem I've been taping the gap but still having some issues I use polyfil filters though.


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Re: A question about canning jars [Re: AyePlus]
    #26397760 - 12/23/19 03:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I gave up on plastic lids awhile ago.  Sure they make it easier when you're in the sab, but I started to get contamination problems and decided that they are not secure enough.  They worked for awhile but at some point, I think they started to warp slightly I guess from the repeated PCing, and maybe having jars on top of jars in the PC contributed to that, with the weight of the top jars pushing down on the plastic lids below while they are soft from the heat.




I've never heard that before...pasty uses them and even unscrew them slightly for gas exchange with no issues. It would take a lot of mobility for a contaminant to work it's way up around the threads and  into the jar...

I'm not worried about it. I would have to guess it wasn't because of the lids...

I Dunno tho.





Smdh, Blind leading the blind here..

Unmodded Plastic lids are fine if you have low contam rates but even with modded lids screwed all the way down I’ve had microscopic mites crawl up the threads and fuck me harder than any thai hooker.

They only warp if you try to tighten them while hot or over tighten before the PC cycle. Unless theyre shitty quality lids then you get what you pay for..

Just because it works for some people sometimes doesn't mean it works for everyone all the time. Verum wraps his plastic lids and I use silicone seals in mine now. Hell even Pasty (in thats thread you are referencing) says unmodded lids are more of a stop gap solution and should be modded when you have the time.


Also @spunky, dog you really need to learn how to use the search engine, you make like 3 threads a day with questions that have been answered 1000’s of times(like this one). Its either that or doom and gloom BS. Chill out and do some more reading.





Dude I've put in months of reading and these forums are here for a reason...



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