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Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) 1
#26385110 - 12/16/19 01:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just watched this documentary on Netflix and it kinda blew my mind on the whole topic of plant based diets.
I was vegan for about 3 years in my early 20s, and recently I've been on board the "whole lotta meat and avoid carbs" train. I've read and listened to a lot of material surrounding healthy foods and was convinced that eating meat was good while plant based diets ultimately weren't as healthy.
Well the info presented in this doc completely blows all of that out of the water. And the doc is focused on athletes - UFC fighters, body builders, olympians, football players, etc. This isn't the usual vegan oriented presentation.
The primary points are about how meat directly causes inflammation, drastically reduced blood flow, clogged arteries, and also reduces testosterone due to stressing the system because of these things. There's also more estrogen in meats like chicken and dairy than any other source of food. Plants are the strongest source of antioxidants which combat inflammation, instead of causing inflammation like meats. The idea that you can't get protein from plants is a total myth also.
All of these points correlate directly to athletic performance, and its all presented with real life examples of the diets in action, and you'll be surprised at some of these huge body builder dudes who are entirely plant based.
One huge eye popper in the film shows that a single meat meal impacts erections quite drastically, and it is demonstrated through a scientific study with a few football players who have more erections and 300% longer erections when eating plant based meals. Basically eating meat is a big cause for weak erections due to blood flow issues, as well as lowered testosterone levels due to a weakened system.
Anyway... check the doc out and see what ya think. I try to avoid forming strong opinions based on stuff like documentaries these days, but the info here is very convincing. 
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James Wilks travels the world on a quest for the truth about meat, protein, and strength. Showcasing elite athletes, special ops soldiers, and visionary scientists to change the way people eat and live.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper] 1
#26385133 - 12/16/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The movie is full of very convincing pseudo-scientific deceptions. It's been heavily debunked.
That's thing with agendas, they don't let pesky things like facts and truth get in the way of a good narrative.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: Northerner]
#26385135 - 12/16/19 01:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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got a link to a good debunking?
The problem with debunkings is that they are usually operating on their own agenda 
I mean you can't really debunk the muscle on the dudes presented in this doc who are vegan, and this is something that is regularly claimed as not doable on a plant based diet.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: Northerner] 2
#26385146 - 12/16/19 01:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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lmfao
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper]
#26385147 - 12/16/19 01:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read a few a while back, a few keywords will bring up a slew of them in an internet search though.
You can pick and choose from whichever sources you respect/trust the most.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: Northerner]
#26385150 - 12/16/19 01:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll take a look, but honestly I would expect to easily find tons of debunkings available. I wouldn't necessarily trust any of them without knowing what their own agenda is / where they are coming from.
Have you watched the doc?
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper]
#26385152 - 12/16/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why did they use sleep boners as proof of vegan superiority?
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper]
#26385154 - 12/16/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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tired atm
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: The Mycologist]
#26385157 - 12/16/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Mycologist said: Why did they use sleep boners as proof of vegan superiority?
Its a demonstration of how meat affects blood flow. The study is based on a single meal of meat affecting erections achieved while sleeping since men regularly have erections throughout the night if they are healthy.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper] 3
#26385174 - 12/16/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or the whole. Lets give you a certain food for one day and then look at your blood.
Thats not how blood works.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: The Mycologist]
#26385179 - 12/16/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper] 1
#26385181 - 12/16/19 01:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's just pure lack of science in many of the claims. Anecdotal evidence at best, deception at worst.
Don't get me wrong hey, I don't eat much meat and have spent years of my life as a vegetarian. I'm not a carnivore protecting my way of life. There's much to be said about eating mostly vegetables and fruits, but there's also a lot to be said about in eating fish, eggs and other fresh meats in moderation. Biological indicators show us as omnivores. Sure we can survive on veggies alone, we can survive on meat alone as well. But this doesn't make either ideal.
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pixelpopper said: Have you watched the doc?
Yes. My wife is vegan, we watched it together.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: Northerner]
#26385185 - 12/16/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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theres this thing with precooked lasgane i dont like it but i buy the pack
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: Cujllickduo] 2
#26385298 - 12/16/19 02:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think this was the one Rogan had someone on to debunk, didn't watch the documentary or listen to the debunking though, this stuff gets tedious to me. The only thing that digging deep into nutrition research will get you is a good education on corporate influence in research.
The sugar, corn/grain, fruit/veg, soy etc companies want meat to be bad. The meat, egg, poultry etc companies want meat to be great. Both pump money into countless studies, then publish the one out of a thousand that actually comes back with results fitting their agenda. All the studies showing no correlation or results opposite to what they wanted... gone.
Nothing really scientific about most of the science these days when it's so doctored and cherry picked. I just try to eat less in general, and avoid sugar/empty carbs and deep fried stuff too often, exercise a bit 
I think the occasional handful of mushrooms is better for my health than any sort of special diet would be
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: feevers] 3
#26385319 - 12/16/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just looked it up and there's a 3 hour rogan podcast with someone debunking it, then another 4 hour one with the documentary guy's rebuke.
Looking into the backgrounds of both of them it looks like neither is really educated in nutrition or physiology. One is an MMA fighter and the other is an acupuncturist that writes paleo books. That could be a weird 7 hours, I wonder how joe squeezes chimpanzees and dmt into it
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: feevers] 1
#26385340 - 12/16/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Neither of those sources sound trustworthy, lol.
Reminds me of the food pyramid manipulation we were fed at school. Such a corporate cooked up pile of shit. The history on that is actually pretty scary, how corporations manipulated education on essential basic health education.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: The Mycologist] 1
#26385463 - 12/16/19 04:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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its hard to know who to trust these days
like feevers pointed out, i don't really pay much attention to all the various scientific studies at this point because it all seems very flawed in general
one of the aspects touched on in this doc is how the meat industry fueled false research into its benefits as well as using marketing to create the public perception that meat is the best choice for athletes. There are other things said to be myths such as soy raising estrogen levels, but it actually contains Phytoestrogens which don't work the same way as estrogen, don't cause associated problems and have actual benefits instead. There seem to be several benefits to the various plant based foods which have been "smeared" via marketing & bad research paid for by opposing parties.
i'm not saying i'm all in on a purely vegan diet, but there just seems to be a lot of general misinformation out there regarding eating plants vs eating meat, and a lot of that is covered in this doc...
i may have a look at some of the opposing views, but i dunno, i'm kinda feeling lately like i want to back off the meat regardless of nutrition science. I don't even want to look at the various docs showing animal farms cus I know how bad it is, and if I can't even watch them then I probably shouldn't be eating the meat that comes from them 
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The Mycologist said: Or the whole. Lets give you a certain food for one day and then look at your blood.
Thats not how blood works.
it was just one example of how eating meat can affect your daily bloodflow, which is relative to athletic performance as well as boners. Personally, if I can get a 300% increase in boner power by not eating meat for that day, then that is certainly something worth consideration. And it would certainly point to cumulative effect after years of daily meat eating. There are more points in the film than just this tho in regards to blood flow, its just one thing I commented on.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper] 1
#26385473 - 12/16/19 04:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Synchronicity-- I just this afternoon watched the Joe Rogan counter-rebuttal where the narrator of that documentary James Wilks dismantles that debunker Chris Kresser.
I hadn't even seen the documentary-- so after the 3.5 hour Rogan episode I watched it, too.
I've always been more and more naturally oriented towards vegetarianism, but finding this, watching this-- it felt like a genuine catalyst to me.
It's very powerful information, and I count myself as convinced.
Very good stuff-- that Kresser fellow looks so embarrassed... and he should be.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: coAsTal] 1
#26385532 - 12/16/19 05:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll probably give a listen to that Rogan episode while I do some work. I'm curious as to what he has to say.
I've no doubt there are all kinds of debunkers, but the thing is they are probably all just referencing the kinds of flawed studies we've discussed in this thread. That's why I don't generally give much weight to "debunkings" because they just reference some stuff they read on the internet which supports the view they wish to hold up. You can debunk anything you want to pretty easily, doesn't really mean you're actually representing the truth.
Its easy to shrug it off with generalized statements, but I didn't really see anything in this doc that is very hard to believe, or that seems like incredible claims. Its all pretty straightforward stuff that makes sense, especially when viewed in the context of associated misinformation.
And its not just the UFC guy speaking his opinions.. its not like its just him making claims. There are doctors, nutritionists, and athletes that live the lifestyle laying it all out, with real world results to back it up.
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Re: Game Changers (Plant Based Diet documentary by UFC dude) [Re: pixelpopper]
#26385541 - 12/16/19 05:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just loaded it up, here's the yt link if anyone's interested
Joe Rogan Experience #1393 - James Wilks & Chris Kresser - The Game Changers Debate
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