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Killing animals is wrong. * 2
    #26384469 - 12/16/19 03:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Does anybody else agree
That killing animals is wrong?

I mean I feel them more these
Days.
They can help us.
And I believe animals are
People too.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116] * 4
    #26384501 - 12/16/19 04:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It’s not so black and white. Killing inhumanly is wrong. Animals kill each other every day, all day. I love every animal that I’ve killed and appreciate what they provide. Without death there is no life for the majority of living creatures.

Killing without compassion and respect is whole heartedly wrong though aside from protection of yourself and the ones you love.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: HalfGinger] * 1
    #26384507 - 12/16/19 05:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So many domesticated animals that are livestock wouldn't exist nor survive if they weren't food.

If you are very hungry, meat can be very beautiful.  Although I find that humans have a meat addiction.  Too much land is raising food for livestock, to feed this meat addiction.

Not every meal needs to have meat.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26384511 - 12/16/19 05:19 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a meat eater.

I have taken the head of a lovingly held rooster into my hand, invoked God Almighty and severed his neck in a fierce slash of my freshly sharpened chef's knife.

The rooster was made into a soup eaten at christmas dinner to further sanctify the sacrifice.

Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.

Its not right, even if done in the name of God.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26384515 - 12/16/19 05:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No not at all it's completely natural. Killing animals for fun is something worse. I believe we have become very disconnected from the process because of grocery stores and the way society is, Which is wrong. Honestly plants are living things too. I never seen the difference between eating a plant and animal. They are both living things that you kill for your survival. I like to get wide variety of food because i feel it's the healthiest, plants meat dairy and grains, but I love meat. I grew up eating caught fish, hunted dear, and rabbits. I grew up in the city but spent alot of time on grandma's farm and I learned quickly how natural it was after farming Acre's of crops and raising/hunting animals.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #26384519 - 12/16/19 05:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Asante said:
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Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.

Its not right, even if done in the name of God.




Positions on animal sacrifice and meat are a class/sect issue

animal sacrifice is big in worship of the Goddess
and in poorer areas of the Indian subcontinent


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KATHMANDU, Nepal — Animal-rights campaigners are hoping this year’s festival season in Nepal will be a little less bloody.

During the 15-day Dasain festival that began this week in the Himalayan country, families fly kites, host feasts and visit temples, where tens of thousands of goats, buffaloes, chickens and ducks are sacrificed to please the gods and goddesses as part of a practice that dates back centuries.

Animal rights groups are hoping to stop –or at least reduce– the slaughter, using this year’s campaign as a practice run to combat a much larger animal sacrifice set for next year at the quinquennial Gadhimai festival.

Such a campaign is novel in Nepal, where four out of five people are Hindu and animal sacrifice is a deeply rooted tradition.



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Krishna Prasad Dhangal, a shopkeeper and devotee who was at the market to purchase animals for sacrifice, defended the practice.

“It is a tradition that our fathers and grandfathers have followed and we will continue to follow this path. We believe offering the blood to the goddess Kali will please her and bless us. The meat is not wasted and we distribute it with neighbours and we all feast,” he said.



https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/groups-hope-to-stop-animal-sacrifices-during-nepal-festival

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Hindu worshippers have begun killing thousands of buffalo in what is reputed to be the world’s biggest animal sacrifice, held every five years in a remote corner of Nepal, despite efforts to end the bloodshed.

The Gadhimai festival began in the early hours of Tuesday amid tight security, with the ceremonial slaughter of a goat, rat, chicken, pig and a pigeon. A local shaman then offered blood from five points of his body.

About 200 butchers with sharpened swords and knives then walked into a walled arena bigger than a football field, holding several thousand buffalo, as excited pilgrims climbed trees to catch a glimpse.



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Thousands of worshippers from Nepal and neighbouring India had spent days sleeping out in the open and offering prayers ahead of the event in Bariyarpur village, close to the Indian border.

“I believe in the goddess. My mother had asked her for the good health of my son,” one of them, Rajesh Kumar Das, 30, told AFP, holding a goat in his hand.

An estimated 200,000 animals ranging from goats to rats were butchered during the last two-day Gadhimai festival in 2014, held in honour of the Hindu goddess of power.

Many were hopeful the centuries-old tradition would end after the temple authorities announced a ban in 2015 and Nepal’s supreme court directed the government to discourage the bloodshed a year later.

Animal rights activists say government agencies and temple committees have failed to implement these rulings.

Indian border authorities and volunteers have in recent days seized scores of animals being brought across the frontier by unlicensed traders and pilgrims, but this has failed to stop the flow.

According to legend, the first sacrifices in Bariyarpur were conducted several centuries ago when the goddess Gadhimai appeared to a prisoner in a dream and asked him to establish a temple to her.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/worlds-largest-ritual-animal-slaughter-goes-ahead-despite-ban

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Indian-born Puneet Malhotra, a resident of Bali for seven years, owns the Queen's Tandoor restaurant in Kuta. He shares his experience: "Animal sacrifice is done in a big way here, close to the culture prevailing in Bengal. When we opened our restaurant, Balinese Hindu priests conducted the ceremony, which began with killing and burying a dog out in front. Then a pig was roasted, grilled, worshiped and buried. They killed fifty chickens, burying them in the various corners of the building. I had requested all of this not be done, but I was told it had to be done according to the local traditions, that animal sacrifice is an integral part of any big ceremony. We had to follow the customs; we were told that if we did not, and something untoward were to happen later on, we would be blamed for it."



https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=5262

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“Goddess Kali is being worshiped for more than 150 years here. Our concrete temple was set up in 1966, and since then, this temple has become very popular. Driven by old beliefs, people sacrifice goats and pigeons in our temple during Kali Puja. They believe that they get what they want from the Goddess if they make such sacrifices,” the Secretary of the Baira Kalimata Mandir Committee in Kaliyaganj, Bidyut Bikash Bhadra, said. “During Kali Puja, devotees from different parts of our district, and places like Balurghat, Malda, Kolkata, Siliguri and Berhampur turn up in Kaliyaganj to witness our puja.



https://www.thestatesman.com/bengal/several-animals-sacrificed-north-dinajpur-temples-1502815525.html


Edited by Tantrika (12/16/19 05:40 AM)


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #26384541 - 12/16/19 06:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If we stopped killing living creatures to eat most of us would all perish, very quickly.

If life is sacred and this is an unalterable tenant then this premise does not stop just with the living creatures that we like. Who are we to play God by deciding which creatures should and should not die? All industrial harvesting of grain crops causes mass carnage daily as millions of creatures are caught up in the machines that bring this food to people. In addition we treat our crops with poisons that basically eliminate all insect and amphibian life that goes anywhere near it. It's a holocaust.

There is no doubt that eating less meat is healthier for the human biome, and gut health is directly linked to mental health. The knock on effects for a society that eats less meat, particularly red meat, is substantially positive. But I really don't think we need to dress it up in hypocritical ethics.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Northerner] * 3
    #26384550 - 12/16/19 06:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No, we wouldn't perish.  We'd be a lot healthier.

Red meat causes a lot of cancers.  We weren't even meant to eat everyday.  It's a fact that eating less gives a longer life.  This is true for rodents and animals as well.  They've done studies.

A vegetarian diet can be very healthy.  Vegetarian diets are twice as successful in losing weight.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Northerner]
    #26384554 - 12/16/19 06:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I take life for sustenance, but when I am done here my body will give life. I am part of the circle. This is how I justify. This debt I owe to the past that can only be re-payed to the future.

This is what runs through my head as I kill for food. The more I can provide for myself, the less I support the abuse of animal product.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116] * 2
    #26384556 - 12/16/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If we weren't meant to eat them, then why are they so tasty ?


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Loki]
    #26384557 - 12/16/19 06:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Some people think it's wrong, it your going to eat or make use of the dead animal then its right to me.

Just killing things for fun is wrong in my opinion


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26384560 - 12/16/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Unless its a particularly sneaky rat that you snipe with a wicked head shot from your window with a .177 air rifle, that is fun.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Loki]
    #26384561 - 12/16/19 06:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:mushroom2:
There could be a sustainable way to hunt and live off the land the if the world population was much smaller. But being Vegan or Vegetarian is a more environmentally conscious way and has a greater impact of good imo. In my view it's less wrong to kill animals if they are your main source of survival. Although not the case for most people. Is it wrong is more of a question from the perspective of personal morality and judgement.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #26384567 - 12/16/19 06:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
I'm a meat eater.

I have taken the head of a lovingly held rooster into my hand, invoked God Almighty and severed his neck in a fierce slash of my freshly sharpened chef's knife.

The rooster was made into a soup eaten at christmas dinner to further sanctify the sacrifice.

Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.

Its not right, even if done in the name of God.





Asante, I believe killing high vibratory animals is wrong.

There are some game birds that get picked up by hunters and I believe some of them are very "high vibratory" and eating them is a sin

Cows lamb and poultry like chicken are mid range

I read in a spiritual publication that when we enter golden age we will create a animal rich in delicious meat but very low vibratory. So meat lovers will have something to eat without causing suffering! :wave:


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26384581 - 12/16/19 07:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't have a problem with killing for food. I use to hunt at least 3-4 times a week, I remember as a kid my father would wake me @ 3 A.M. to go hunting before school. This was @ a time when there wasn't much work and if we were to eat then we hunted. I would hunt, then after that i would weed and water the veg garden
on my way to the bus stop. Now days I'd rather take a photo of my prey and walk away because I don't need to. However, I have a serious problem with the folks posting pics holding the heads up and posing with their kill for photos and saying things like "smoked him" , "busted his ass" etc. I believe a person should be "worthy" of the animal killed. By "worthy" I mean; respectfull, ethical, gratefull, aware of the fact that the animal deservs to be honored, not posed with and used to validate ones ego.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116] * 2
    #26384589 - 12/16/19 07:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
Does anybody else agree
That killing animals is wrong?



I think that believing in such absolutes is wrong(ish). Life is too complicated to be able to be viewed through the spectrum of black/white. Only in the folly of youth and inexperience would one do so.

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ft116 said:
And I believe animals are
People too.



Don't you mean people are animals too? Last time I checked (and I used to breed them) cows are definitely not people.


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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116]
    #26384651 - 12/16/19 08:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Wasn't there recently a study done that found plants let off some kind of ultrasonic scream/communication under stress? as well as it was previously found that ecosystems communicate using mycelial and root networks through the exchange of nutrients and electrical signals. If it's alive it suffers. Not every animal can be said to suffer, but how many plants does it take to harvest a field of soy? Life feeds on life


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    #26384675 - 12/16/19 08:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Gypsy Boy said:
Quote:

Asante said:
I'm a meat eater.

I have taken the head of a lovingly held rooster into my hand, invoked God Almighty and severed his neck in a fierce slash of my freshly sharpened chef's knife.

The rooster was made into a soup eaten at christmas dinner to further sanctify the sacrifice.

Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.

Its not right, even if done in the name of God.





Asante, I believe killing high vibratory animals is wrong.

There are some game birds that get picked up by hunters and I believe some of them are very "high vibratory" and eating them is a sin

Cows lamb and poultry like chicken are mid range

I read in a spiritual publication that when we enter golden age we will create a animal rich in delicious meat but very low vibratory. So meat lovers will have something to eat without causing suffering! :wave:





Explain your vibrational talk :hug:

Wouldnt eating something of a considerably lower vibration than yourself, tune down your frequency more profoundly than eating higher vibrational foods?


Would you eat cultivated meat? (animal tissue that was grown without an animal attached to it)


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    #26384710 - 12/16/19 08:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I was put on the spot by my spirit guide:  Either sacrifice the rooster to my highest allegiance (God) or become a vegetarian.

If I was unwilling to do the dirty work in the noblest sense (halal/kosher) it would be hypocritical *for me* to reap the benefits of other people doing the dirty work for me, in the slaughterhouses.

Doing it would be OK and pussying out would be OK, but if I pussied out I should accept the consequence of no longer eating meat, just as doing it came with the consequence that God willed me to continue to eat meat.


This is "my" rooster Before:




and After:




I'm not saying YOU as a meateater should personally slaughter an animal, just that it was my personal journey to do it.


-I've sacrificed a rooster for God
-I deliberately rode MXE straight into a psychosis requiring hospitalization, for God.
-I meditated for 50 hours straight and got 3 manic weeks :smile2: for God.
-I threw away all my precious MXE I was infatuated with and addicted to, for God.


And God said: "No more, you have proven yourself, now I will prove Myself to you."


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