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Killing animals is wrong. 2
#26384469 - 12/16/19 03:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does anybody else agree That killing animals is wrong?
I mean I feel them more these Days. They can help us. And I believe animals are People too.
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#26384501 - 12/16/19 04:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It’s not so black and white. Killing inhumanly is wrong. Animals kill each other every day, all day. I love every animal that I’ve killed and appreciate what they provide. Without death there is no life for the majority of living creatures.
Killing without compassion and respect is whole heartedly wrong though aside from protection of yourself and the ones you love.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: HalfGinger] 1
#26384507 - 12/16/19 05:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So many domesticated animals that are livestock wouldn't exist nor survive if they weren't food.
If you are very hungry, meat can be very beautiful. Although I find that humans have a meat addiction. Too much land is raising food for livestock, to feed this meat addiction.
Not every meal needs to have meat.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#26384511 - 12/16/19 05:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm a meat eater.
I have taken the head of a lovingly held rooster into my hand, invoked God Almighty and severed his neck in a fierce slash of my freshly sharpened chef's knife.
The rooster was made into a soup eaten at christmas dinner to further sanctify the sacrifice.
Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.
Its not right, even if done in the name of God.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Morel Guy]
#26384515 - 12/16/19 05:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No not at all it's completely natural. Killing animals for fun is something worse. I believe we have become very disconnected from the process because of grocery stores and the way society is, Which is wrong. Honestly plants are living things too. I never seen the difference between eating a plant and animal. They are both living things that you kill for your survival. I like to get wide variety of food because i feel it's the healthiest, plants meat dairy and grains, but I love meat. I grew up eating caught fish, hunted dear, and rabbits. I grew up in the city but spent alot of time on grandma's farm and I learned quickly how natural it was after farming Acre's of crops and raising/hunting animals.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
#26384519 - 12/16/19 05:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asante said: ... Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.
Its not right, even if done in the name of God.
Positions on animal sacrifice and meat are a class/sect issue
animal sacrifice is big in worship of the Goddess and in poorer areas of the Indian subcontinent
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KATHMANDU, Nepal — Animal-rights campaigners are hoping this year’s festival season in Nepal will be a little less bloody.
During the 15-day Dasain festival that began this week in the Himalayan country, families fly kites, host feasts and visit temples, where tens of thousands of goats, buffaloes, chickens and ducks are sacrificed to please the gods and goddesses as part of a practice that dates back centuries.
Animal rights groups are hoping to stop –or at least reduce– the slaughter, using this year’s campaign as a practice run to combat a much larger animal sacrifice set for next year at the quinquennial Gadhimai festival.
Such a campaign is novel in Nepal, where four out of five people are Hindu and animal sacrifice is a deeply rooted tradition.
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Krishna Prasad Dhangal, a shopkeeper and devotee who was at the market to purchase animals for sacrifice, defended the practice.
“It is a tradition that our fathers and grandfathers have followed and we will continue to follow this path. We believe offering the blood to the goddess Kali will please her and bless us. The meat is not wasted and we distribute it with neighbours and we all feast,” he said.
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/groups-hope-to-stop-animal-sacrifices-during-nepal-festival
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Hindu worshippers have begun killing thousands of buffalo in what is reputed to be the world’s biggest animal sacrifice, held every five years in a remote corner of Nepal, despite efforts to end the bloodshed.
The Gadhimai festival began in the early hours of Tuesday amid tight security, with the ceremonial slaughter of a goat, rat, chicken, pig and a pigeon. A local shaman then offered blood from five points of his body.
About 200 butchers with sharpened swords and knives then walked into a walled arena bigger than a football field, holding several thousand buffalo, as excited pilgrims climbed trees to catch a glimpse.
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Thousands of worshippers from Nepal and neighbouring India had spent days sleeping out in the open and offering prayers ahead of the event in Bariyarpur village, close to the Indian border.
“I believe in the goddess. My mother had asked her for the good health of my son,” one of them, Rajesh Kumar Das, 30, told AFP, holding a goat in his hand.
An estimated 200,000 animals ranging from goats to rats were butchered during the last two-day Gadhimai festival in 2014, held in honour of the Hindu goddess of power.
Many were hopeful the centuries-old tradition would end after the temple authorities announced a ban in 2015 and Nepal’s supreme court directed the government to discourage the bloodshed a year later.
Animal rights activists say government agencies and temple committees have failed to implement these rulings.
Indian border authorities and volunteers have in recent days seized scores of animals being brought across the frontier by unlicensed traders and pilgrims, but this has failed to stop the flow.
According to legend, the first sacrifices in Bariyarpur were conducted several centuries ago when the goddess Gadhimai appeared to a prisoner in a dream and asked him to establish a temple to her.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/worlds-largest-ritual-animal-slaughter-goes-ahead-despite-ban
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Indian-born Puneet Malhotra, a resident of Bali for seven years, owns the Queen's Tandoor restaurant in Kuta. He shares his experience: "Animal sacrifice is done in a big way here, close to the culture prevailing in Bengal. When we opened our restaurant, Balinese Hindu priests conducted the ceremony, which began with killing and burying a dog out in front. Then a pig was roasted, grilled, worshiped and buried. They killed fifty chickens, burying them in the various corners of the building. I had requested all of this not be done, but I was told it had to be done according to the local traditions, that animal sacrifice is an integral part of any big ceremony. We had to follow the customs; we were told that if we did not, and something untoward were to happen later on, we would be blamed for it."
https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=5262
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“Goddess Kali is being worshiped for more than 150 years here. Our concrete temple was set up in 1966, and since then, this temple has become very popular. Driven by old beliefs, people sacrifice goats and pigeons in our temple during Kali Puja. They believe that they get what they want from the Goddess if they make such sacrifices,” the Secretary of the Baira Kalimata Mandir Committee in Kaliyaganj, Bidyut Bikash Bhadra, said. “During Kali Puja, devotees from different parts of our district, and places like Balurghat, Malda, Kolkata, Siliguri and Berhampur turn up in Kaliyaganj to witness our puja.
https://www.thestatesman.com/bengal/several-animals-sacrificed-north-dinajpur-temples-1502815525.html
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
#26384541 - 12/16/19 06:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If we stopped killing living creatures to eat most of us would all perish, very quickly.
If life is sacred and this is an unalterable tenant then this premise does not stop just with the living creatures that we like. Who are we to play God by deciding which creatures should and should not die? All industrial harvesting of grain crops causes mass carnage daily as millions of creatures are caught up in the machines that bring this food to people. In addition we treat our crops with poisons that basically eliminate all insect and amphibian life that goes anywhere near it. It's a holocaust.
There is no doubt that eating less meat is healthier for the human biome, and gut health is directly linked to mental health. The knock on effects for a society that eats less meat, particularly red meat, is substantially positive. But I really don't think we need to dress it up in hypocritical ethics.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Northerner] 3
#26384550 - 12/16/19 06:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, we wouldn't perish. We'd be a lot healthier.
Red meat causes a lot of cancers. We weren't even meant to eat everyday. It's a fact that eating less gives a longer life. This is true for rodents and animals as well. They've done studies.
A vegetarian diet can be very healthy. Vegetarian diets are twice as successful in losing weight.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Northerner]
#26384554 - 12/16/19 06:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take life for sustenance, but when I am done here my body will give life. I am part of the circle. This is how I justify. This debt I owe to the past that can only be re-payed to the future.
This is what runs through my head as I kill for food. The more I can provide for myself, the less I support the abuse of animal product.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116] 2
#26384556 - 12/16/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If we weren't meant to eat them, then why are they so tasty ?
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Loki]
#26384557 - 12/16/19 06:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some people think it's wrong, it your going to eat or make use of the dead animal then its right to me.
Just killing things for fun is wrong in my opinion
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
#26384560 - 12/16/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unless its a particularly sneaky rat that you snipe with a wicked head shot from your window with a .177 air rifle, that is fun.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Loki]
#26384561 - 12/16/19 06:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 There could be a sustainable way to hunt and live off the land the if the world population was much smaller. But being Vegan or Vegetarian is a more environmentally conscious way and has a greater impact of good imo. In my view it's less wrong to kill animals if they are your main source of survival. Although not the case for most people. Is it wrong is more of a question from the perspective of personal morality and judgement.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
#26384567 - 12/16/19 06:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asante said: I'm a meat eater.
I have taken the head of a lovingly held rooster into my hand, invoked God Almighty and severed his neck in a fierce slash of my freshly sharpened chef's knife.
The rooster was made into a soup eaten at christmas dinner to further sanctify the sacrifice.
Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.
Its not right, even if done in the name of God.
Asante, I believe killing high vibratory animals is wrong.
There are some game birds that get picked up by hunters and I believe some of them are very "high vibratory" and eating them is a sin
Cows lamb and poultry like chicken are mid range
I read in a spiritual publication that when we enter golden age we will create a animal rich in delicious meat but very low vibratory. So meat lovers will have something to eat without causing suffering!
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26384581 - 12/16/19 07:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't have a problem with killing for food. I use to hunt at least 3-4 times a week, I remember as a kid my father would wake me @ 3 A.M. to go hunting before school. This was @ a time when there wasn't much work and if we were to eat then we hunted. I would hunt, then after that i would weed and water the veg garden on my way to the bus stop. Now days I'd rather take a photo of my prey and walk away because I don't need to. However, I have a serious problem with the folks posting pics holding the heads up and posing with their kill for photos and saying things like "smoked him" , "busted his ass" etc. I believe a person should be "worthy" of the animal killed. By "worthy" I mean; respectfull, ethical, gratefull, aware of the fact that the animal deservs to be honored, not posed with and used to validate ones ego.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116] 2
#26384589 - 12/16/19 07:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ft116 said: Does anybody else agree That killing animals is wrong?
I think that believing in such absolutes is wrong(ish). Life is too complicated to be able to be viewed through the spectrum of black/white. Only in the folly of youth and inexperience would one do so.
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ft116 said: And I believe animals are People too.
Don't you mean people are animals too? Last time I checked (and I used to breed them) cows are definitely not people.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116]
#26384651 - 12/16/19 08:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wasn't there recently a study done that found plants let off some kind of ultrasonic scream/communication under stress? as well as it was previously found that ecosystems communicate using mycelial and root networks through the exchange of nutrients and electrical signals. If it's alive it suffers. Not every animal can be said to suffer, but how many plants does it take to harvest a field of soy? Life feeds on life
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26384675 - 12/16/19 08:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gypsy Boy said:
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Asante said: I'm a meat eater.
I have taken the head of a lovingly held rooster into my hand, invoked God Almighty and severed his neck in a fierce slash of my freshly sharpened chef's knife.
The rooster was made into a soup eaten at christmas dinner to further sanctify the sacrifice.
Still, the Hindus have it right: killing animals is WRONG. We are allowed to DO wrong but there is atonement in life and the hereafter.
Its not right, even if done in the name of God.
Asante, I believe killing high vibratory animals is wrong.
There are some game birds that get picked up by hunters and I believe some of them are very "high vibratory" and eating them is a sin
Cows lamb and poultry like chicken are mid range
I read in a spiritual publication that when we enter golden age we will create a animal rich in delicious meat but very low vibratory. So meat lovers will have something to eat without causing suffering! 
Explain your vibrational talk 
Wouldnt eating something of a considerably lower vibration than yourself, tune down your frequency more profoundly than eating higher vibrational foods?
Would you eat cultivated meat? (animal tissue that was grown without an animal attached to it)
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I was put on the spot by my spirit guide: Either sacrifice the rooster to my highest allegiance (God) or become a vegetarian.
If I was unwilling to do the dirty work in the noblest sense (halal/kosher) it would be hypocritical *for me* to reap the benefits of other people doing the dirty work for me, in the slaughterhouses.
Doing it would be OK and pussying out would be OK, but if I pussied out I should accept the consequence of no longer eating meat, just as doing it came with the consequence that God willed me to continue to eat meat.
This is "my" rooster Before:

and After:

I'm not saying YOU as a meateater should personally slaughter an animal, just that it was my personal journey to do it.
-I've sacrificed a rooster for God -I deliberately rode MXE straight into a psychosis requiring hospitalization, for God. -I meditated for 50 hours straight and got 3 manic weeks for God. -I threw away all my precious MXE I was infatuated with and addicted to, for God.
And God said: "No more, you have proven yourself, now I will prove Myself to you."
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Right, by high vibratory beings I mean the being is , how should I say it, a being more spiritual, more aware, can channel love energies, behaves in a more godly way, it's hard to say really
Look at fish in the ocean , look at cod and I would say it's a low vibratory being, it's ok to eat it. But then there are say some exotic color vibrant fish not only their spiritual vibrations are higher, there not very pleasing to eat.
I heard one low vibratory animal raised for food is a extra large jumbo sized rabbit...
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#26384720 - 12/16/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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...and He did, ever after.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
#26384729 - 12/16/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think its ok if you use it to become strong and do good things in your life.
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This is "my" rooster Before:

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RIP Asante's rooster
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#26385092 - 12/16/19 12:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ft116 said: Does anybody else agree That killing animals is wrong?
I mean I feel them more these Days. They can help us. And I believe animals are People too.
No, I dont. If you’re going to look at this from a metaphysical sense then what about vegtables, fruits and other vegan edibles. If they have a conscious but we can’t hear or see it, then the only reason we would quit eating meat is because we can hear it scream.
You don’t hear the wheat field scream as it’s being swathed, but you do hear the cow scream and see it kick as it is being slaughtered.
Personally, I think it is hypocritical not to eat meat. It’s part of the natural hierachy and it doesn’t have to be something abused, just respected for what it is.
The circle of life.
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Out of curiosity, do you feel disgust, hatred and a desire for retribution towards adults having sex with minors?
I love meat myself, I just always find it kind of silly when people argue that it’s totally ethical to eat meat simply because it’s natural. But the very same people who say this hate on pedophiles for some reason. But having sex with a 12 year old and impregnating her should be totally ethical and fine too by that logic, since nature has made it so they can get pregnant.
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I’m not a pedophile, I’m just saying the argument that an action is ethically permissible because it’s natural is inconsistent.
If eating meat is OK because it’s natural, why is having sex with 12 year olds not OK? That’s natural too, as animals have sex and reproduce when they reach the age of reproduction. Male Lions don’t wait until female lions are 18 to fuck.
Basing ethics on how wild animals behave is silly but so many people do it. Probably a deeply embedded bias.
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KetamineAndHoes said: Out of curiosity, do you feel disgust, hatred and a desire for retribution towards adults having sex with minors?
I haven’t the slightest inkling how this conversation went here.
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KetamineAndHoes said: I love meat myself,
You appear to be a fan of veal.
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I just always find it kind of silly when people argue that it’s totally ethical to eat meat simply because it’s natural.
Let the mental gymnastics begin.
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KetamineAndHoes said: But the very same people who say this hate on pedophiles for some reason.
I really want my safe space, but I’ll attempt this dialogue because I can’t stand sophistic justification of horrible activities.
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KetamineAndHoes said: But having sex with a 12 year old and impregnating her should be totally ethical and fine too by that logic, since nature has made it so they can get pregnant.
Back when the first humans came into existence natural selection set an age standard for mating because the human life expectancy was so low that procreation was a must at a very early age. We also have these things called societal norms. They change over time as well.
Because of a higher life expectancy we no longer try to mate with twelve year olds(at least some of us) because the societal norm also changed with the time. At this time, in western society, the societal norm is don’t fuck children, it’s gross and fucks them up mentally. In other cultures it is perfectly acceptable, but we are not that culture.
At this point in time and western civilization it is not natural to be attracted to, let alone have sex with children.
Sophism denied.
Please don’t try again, that was gross.
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And I believe animals are People too.
 If that's not trolling you need mental help because that's insane on every level. I'm all about treating animals humanely but human??? Nah, you're way wrong.
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KetamineAndHoes said: Out of curiosity, do you feel disgust, hatred and a desire for retribution towards adults having sex with minors?
I haven’t the slightest inkling how this conversation went here.
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KetamineAndHoes said: I love meat myself,
You appear to be a fan of veal.
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I just always find it kind of silly when people argue that it’s totally ethical to eat meat simply because it’s natural.
Let the mental gymnastics begin.
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KetamineAndHoes said: But the very same people who say this hate on pedophiles for some reason.
I really want my safe space, but I’ll attempt this dialogue because I can’t stand sophistic justification of horrible activities.
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KetamineAndHoes said: But having sex with a 12 year old and impregnating her should be totally ethical and fine too by that logic, since nature has made it so they can get pregnant.
Back when the first humans came into existence natural selection set an age standard for mating because the human life expectancy was so low that procreation was a must at a very early age. We also have these things called societal norms. They change over time as well.
Because of a higher life expectancy we no longer try to mate with twelve year olds(at least some of us) because the societal norm also changed with the time. At this time, in western society, the societal norm is don’t fuck children, it’s gross and fucks them up mentally. In other cultures it is perfectly acceptable, but we are not that culture.
At this point in time and western civilization it is not natural to be attracted to, let alone have sex with children.
Sophism denied.
Please don’t try again, that was gross.
Your whole argument is societally acceptable being equatable to ethical.
That’s silly though. The holocaust and black slavery were both societally acceptable. Doesn’t mean they’re ethical.
If you justify natural as good, then you must have no issues with people fucking 12 year olds and impregnating them. I don’t justify natural as good myself but many people do.
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I don’t give a flying fuck what some stranger on a drug forum thinks lol
Digging my own grave? I could care less if you think I’m a pedo. I don’t know you bro and I don’t care about you.
If you’re going to argue that natural is acceptable, then you shouldn’t feel hatred towards killers and rapists because that’s normal in nature and natural. Be consistent or go home.
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I don’t have time for this level of mental gymnastics.
You realize everybody thinks you like cheese pizza now, right?
You generalized an argument with sophistry that was related to pedophilia. That is a red flag.
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I care more about bird shit on the side of the road than worrying about you thinking I’m a pedo lmao
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: lowbrow]
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Me not eating meat isn't going to cripple slaughter houses as long as meat is in the store I'm going to get it. I love food. Now I do feel deeply that dogs and even cats are very much like people and children but to me that's different.
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It's natural is only 1 argument for killing for meat, not the ONLY argument. I think you knew that though. Or you are dumb and or are a pedo.
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Humans teamed up with dogs to hunt in prehistoric times, they are part of the reason we are so successful as a species. And cats have been kept to keep away vermin since time immemorial as well. It's normal not to want to eat them. Only fucken wierdos eat that stuff.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Northerner]
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And I believe animals are People too.
 If that's not trolling you need mental help because that's insane on every level. I'm all about treating animals humanely but human??? Nah, you're way wrong.Quote:
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Seriously_trippin said: Me not eating meat isn't going to cripple slaughter houses as long as meat is in the store I'm going to get it. I love food. Now I do feel deeply that dogs and even cats are very much like people and children but to me that's different.
Humans teamed up with dogs to hunt in prehistoric times, they are part of the reason we are so successful as a species. And cats have been kept to keep away vermin since time immemorial as well. It's normal not to want to eat them. Only fucken wierdos eat that stuff.
What places eat dogs? Countries that eat dog RIGHT NOW, cats too in most cases⤵
China. Dog meat has long history in Chinese cuisine and the practice of cooking with it continues today in many regions. ... Nigeria. Dog meat is a common dish in this West African nation. ... Arctic and Antarctic. ... Vietnam. ... Switzerland. ... Indonesia. ... South Korea.
Horse is commonly eaten in many countries in Europe and Asia.
Are they all weirdos or do we just not share all of our beliefs? It's easy to live in our tiny bubble casting scorn on those who are different but who's to say what's right for billions of people on Earth? There are human slaves being sold right now... literally, and we're worried about people being vegan or what animal they eat, like we're so woke, smh.
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I lived in Switzerland for years and never saw anyone eat dog. Though horse meat is common enough.
In arctic regions they are intrinsically linked with their dogs, that is different.
I've lived in Africa and Asia too, yes they are fucken weirdos. (slavery in those places is a great example). Our general consensus of morality does not apply there.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Northerner]
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I dont kill animals..... I eat animals that have already been killed. I think it is disrespectful NOT to eat them. They were wrongfully killed. Their lives should at least be respected by providing energy to other life.
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I've eaten 7 goats. One was named Curly Sue.
Goats are stupid animals. I suppose it has to do with our emotional attachment. I guess I feel the worst about a systematic slaughter of millions.
I wouldn't feel bad about chickens. How much could you explain to a chicken? A dog I feel bad about, even if they are sick. Again, it's about emotional attachment.
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All living things contain mitochondria. That’s why you don’t burn green wood. But you should eat living food. You must accept the mitochondria of other living things into yourself in order to continue. You haven’t felt the rush of life till you’ve eaten live flesh.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Good point, a fat slow hunk o meat that just the smell of will give most carnivores a small orgasm.
The only reason pigs are still a thing is cause we like them, they wouldn't survive in the wild
If there's a god, he's doing it so wrong.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Morel Guy]
#26387358 - 12/17/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: No, we wouldn't perish. We'd be a lot healthier.
Red meat causes a lot of cancers. We weren't even meant to eat everyday. It's a fact that eating less gives a longer life. This is true for rodents and animals as well. They've done studies.
A vegetarian diet can be very healthy. Vegetarian diets are twice as successful in losing weight.
Is it because of all the chems and food fed to them? https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/diet-and-cancer/does-eating-processed-and-red-meat-cause-cancer
Does eating processed and red meat cause cancer? Yes, processed meat can cause bowel cancer Eating lots of red meat can also increase the risk of cancer However much you eat, cutting down will reduce your risk, and there’s lots of ways you can do this How does processed and red meat cause cancer? It’s the chemicals that are either found in the meat, added during processing or produced when cooking that are thought to increase the risk of cancer by damaging our cells.
These chemicals are;
Haem This is a red pigment that is naturally found in red meat. It can damage cells, and cause bacteria in the body to produce harmful chemicals. This can increase the risk of cancer.
Nitrates and nitrites These are chemicals that can be used to keep processed meat fresher for longer. When we eat them, nitrites can be converted in to cancer-causing chemicals (N-nitroso compounds or NOCs). These chemicals may be the reason why processed meat increases the risk of cancer more than fresh red meat.
Heterocyclic amines (HCAs) and polycyclic amines (PCAs) These chemicals are produced when meat is cooked at high temperatures, which includes grilling or barbequing, and can damage cells in the bowel.
Find out more about the link between meat and cancer on our science blog
What’s the difference between processed and red meat? Processed meat includes ham, bacon, salami and sausages. Red meat includes all fresh, minced and frozen beef, pork and lamb.
Fresh white meat, such as chicken and fish, are not linked with an increased risk of cancer.
More expensive or organic processed and red meat are not necessarily any healthier, so it’s better to cut down altogether rather than to switch to these.
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KetamineAndHoes said: Out of curiosity, do you feel disgust, hatred and a desire for retribution towards adults having sex with minors?
I love meat myself, I just always find it kind of silly when people argue that it’s totally ethical to eat meat simply because it’s natural. But the very same people who say this hate on pedophiles for some reason. But having sex with a 12 year old and impregnating her should be totally ethical and fine too by that logic, since nature has made it so they can get pregnant.
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Just saw this!!!
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Kmacmo said: The only reason pigs are still a thing is cause we like them, they wouldn't survive in the wild
Feral pigs are definitely a thing.
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I love meat myself, I just always find it kind of silly when people argue that it’s totally ethical to eat meat simply because it’s natural. But the very same people who say this hate on pedophiles for some reason. But having sex with a 12 year old and impregnating her should be totally ethical and fine too by that logic, since nature has made it so they can get pregnant.
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YangSupporter said: WTF
Just saw this!!!
Seems like we might have a new cheese pizza enthusiast in the house.
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Asante's rooster look delicious both before and after.
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Kmacmo said: Good point, a fat slow hunk o meat that just the smell of will give most carnivores a small orgasm.
The only reason pigs are still a thing is cause we like them, they wouldn't survive in the wild
If there's a god, he's doing it so wrong.
Pigs are one of the farm animals that thrives in the wild.
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Kmacmo said: Good point, a fat slow hunk o meat that just the smell of will give most carnivores a small orgasm.
The only reason pigs are still a thing is cause we like them, they wouldn't survive in the wild
If there's a god, he's doing it so wrong.
Pigs are one of the farm animals that thrives in the wild.
did you hear about those pigs that killed and ate some lady recently?
I think it was like a couple weeks ago
she was pretty old but I think they said that the pigs did attack and kill her
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Kmacmo said: Good point, a fat slow hunk o meat that just the smell of will give most carnivores a small orgasm.
The only reason pigs are still a thing is cause we like them, they wouldn't survive in the wild
If there's a god, he's doing it so wrong.
Pigs are one of the farm animals that thrives in the wild.
did you hear about those pigs that killed and ate some lady recently?
I think it was like a couple weeks ago
she was pretty old but I think they said that the pigs did attack and kill her
Went and looked it up. Interesting stuff.
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I love meat myself, I just always find it kind of silly when people argue that it’s totally ethical to eat meat simply because it’s natural. But the very same people who say this hate on pedophiles for some reason. But having sex with a 12 year old and impregnating her should be totally ethical and fine too by that logic, since nature has made it so they can get pregnant.
Just saw this!!!
Yup. That person's argument fell apart entirely the second they made this completely unnecessary comparison. It's almost, like, they're unconsciously projecting something they aren't sure they should feel guilty about or not. Almost like they want to morally shame you for rationalizing meat because they're infinitely more fucked up than that premise, so no harm via comparison fallacy, right?
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KetamineAndHoes said: I care more about bird shit on the side of the road than worrying about you thinking I’m a pedo lmao
We (this entire thread) know, we can tell by the posts you've made in this thread. Not a good look here. The fact that you think this is a defense of some sort is digging your hole even deeper.
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Genghis Khan was fully into reducing cruelty to animals and humane slaughter. Didn't happen to care much for humans who opposed him though.
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Kmacmo said: The only reason pigs are still a thing is cause we like them, they wouldn't survive in the wild
Feral pigs are definitely a thing.
Yeah, there's thousands of them around here fucking up the rainforest and generally being assholes. Impossible to eliminate.
It's the only animal you are allowed to hunt in my part of the world, and hunt them they do. They grow large and dangerous. It's not kids sport.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Patlal]
#26388079 - 12/18/19 04:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Asante's rooster look delicious both before and after.
My Christian friend (who has chickens) and I went to collect the rooster (had to be a red rooster as per decree) and my friend gor the rooster lovingly handed to him by the son of the farmer. "Will he get a good home?" the kid asked endearingly, and my friend started about his chicken coop that lacked a rooster. The farmer looked at us with eyes like: "We as adults know that this rooster will not live to see the sunset." 
He told us that he had to get rid of the rooster because he was so aggessive that he constantly fought for hierarchy and destabbilized the coop.
That was exactly the rooster we needed, full of Yang energy.
So damn Yang that even with his neck completely severed the body had a death struggle that was almost supernatural and scared my Christian friend, used to slaughtering chickens.
Even with his head off, defeathered and all his organs out he had the occasional spasm producing a noise from the lower side of his windpipe.
He was supernaturally full of life and aggression.
We ate him at Christmas with some fava beans and a chianti *slurrrp!* 
We literally murdered that animal, I will not mitigate that, coldblooded premeditated murder. Eating meat is being an accomplice in murder, theres no way around that, even if you only knew the animal as pre packaged cuts in the supermarket.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
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Maybe, but it's a natural way. Animals hunt and eat other animals all the time, and if it's ok with them it's ok with me
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Trust me I know God, I know the guy pretty well, and if u were to go in to the woods with your son for a whole day with a hunting rifle, find a deer and take it down, then bring the meat home and eat with your whole family, God is totally ok with that
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Haem This is a red pigment that is naturally found in red meat. It can damage cells, and cause bacteria in the body to produce harmful chemicals. This can increase the risk of cancer.
It’s spelled heme and it’s not a red pigment, it’s the oxygen carrying molecule of the red blood celll.
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killing animals in excess is wrong and nowadays everything is in excess so i guess what we're doing is wrong.
But say for instance we went back to te days when there were not many of us, go kill an animal but only in necessity with your own hands and eat every single part of it ensuring none of it goes to waste from the pelts to the liver to the teeth.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: kitten6]
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Eating meat is being an accomplice in murder, theres no way around that, even if you only knew the animal as pre packaged cuts in the supermarket.
I disagree my hands did not deliver the killing blow. I did not help the corporate machine slaughter all the cows and chickens I eat. They were already killed. All I am doing is making sure their life at least meant something.
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Gypsy Boy said: Maybe, but it's a natural way. Animals hunt and eat other animals all the time, and if it's ok with them it's ok with me
True, we are probably the only living thing on the planet that have morals. Crazy, I don't think a lion would feel bad for feeding his pride.
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Meat Is Murder The Smiths Heifer whines could be human cries Closer comes the screaming knife This beautiful creature must die This beautiful creature must die A death for no reason And death for no reason is murder And the flesh you so fancifully fry Is not succulent, tasty or kind It's death for no reason And death for no reason is murder And the calf that you carve with a smile Is murder And the turkey you festively slice Is murder Do you know how animals die? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of murder It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savor the flavor Of murder No, no, no, it's murder No, no, no, it's murder Oh...and who hears when animals cry?
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To add to my point to asante, murder is also all about INTENT. I have no intentions of snuffing out any life(though I have many times in my mind) so that should also count for something.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
#26388520 - 12/18/19 10:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gypsy Boy said: Maybe, but it's a natural way. Animals hunt and eat other animals all the time, and if it's ok with them it's ok with me
True, we are probably the only living thing on the planet that have morals. Crazy, I don't think a lion would feel bad for feeding his pride.
I believe slavery is worse than murder, yet we have more slaves alive today than ever.
Plenty of animals have a sense of morality and behave with a sense of right and wrong.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: koods]
#26388524 - 12/18/19 10:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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^ I was going to use the wolf analogy. And state that even though they have emotions it still does not feel bad for eating the deer.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: koods]
#26388651 - 12/18/19 12:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Plenty of animals have a sense of morality and behave with a sense of right and wrong.
Ofcourse they have their own 'right' and 'wrong'... Raise the cubs well, don't eat em Fight intruders off their territory(for safety of offspring) Kill anything that's weak and can be eaten
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
#26388696 - 12/18/19 01:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Diets that are among those that live long lifes, have little meat. We evolved our social and intelligence life more than physically evolved.
Humans aren't meant to eat meat daily. We are not even meant to eat every day. Then pile on every damn twisted "study" into a new health trend.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante]
#26388716 - 12/18/19 01:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You and your beans Asante!
Not only did you murder a rooster, but you then proceeded to crap all over its legacy by serving beans.
You probably let the whole mess congeal before you ate it too

Beans
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tyrannicalrex said: Meat Is Murder The Smiths Heifer whines could be human cries Closer comes the screaming knife This beautiful creature must die This beautiful creature must die A death for no reason And death for no reason is murder And the flesh you so fancifully fry Is not succulent, tasty or kind It's death for no reason And death for no reason is murder And the calf that you carve with a smile Is murder And the turkey you festively slice Is murder Do you know how animals die? Kitchen aromas aren't very homely It's not "comforting", cheery or kind It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench Of murder It's not "natural", "normal" or kind The flesh you so fancifully fry The meat in your mouth As you savor the flavor Of murder No, no, no, it's murder No, no, no, it's murder Oh...and who hears when animals cry?

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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
#26389854 - 12/19/19 12:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Plenty of animals have a sense of morality and behave with a sense of right and wrong.
Of course they have their own 'right' and 'wrong'... Raise the cubs well, don't eat em Fight intruders off their territory(for safety of offspring) Kill anything that's weak and can be eaten
Some animals occasionally kill and eat their young - including chimps, sharks, hamsters, bears and lions.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Tantrika]
#26390216 - 12/19/19 07:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're welcome! Early smiths and morrisy are pretty damn good. He freaked out recently though. Maybe he just showed his true colors.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26390273 - 12/19/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: You and your beans Asante!
Not only did you murder a rooster, but you then proceeded to crap all over its legacy by serving beans.
You probably let the whole mess congeal before you ate it too

Beans
No that was a Hannibal Lector reference actually
We made a delicious soup out of him as an entree to christmas dinner.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#26390822 - 12/19/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Diets that are among those that live long lifes, have little meat. We evolved our social and intelligence life more than physically evolved.
Humans aren't meant to eat meat daily. We are not even meant to eat every day. Then pile on every damn twisted "study" into a new health trend.
Not true. My great grandmother died at home at 98, almost 99. She ate meat every single day, every meal. She fried eggs in bacon fat every morning. When asked about her longevity she'd say, ''I never smoked, rarely drank and worked hard every day of my life'' which she did. You can't just make shit up to fit your narrative.
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Morel Guy said: Diets that are among those that live long lifes, have little meat. We evolved our social and intelligence life more than physically evolved.
Humans aren't meant to eat meat daily. We are not even meant to eat every day. Then pile on every damn twisted "study" into a new health trend.
Not true. My great grandmother died at home at 98, almost 99. She ate meat every single day, every meal. She fried eggs in bacon fat every morning. When asked about her longevity she'd say, ''I never smoked, rarely drank and worked hard every day of my life'' which she did. You can't just make shit up to fit your narrative.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Asante] 2
#26391240 - 12/19/19 06:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asante said: Eating meat is being an accomplice in murder, theres no way around that, even if you only knew the animal as pre packaged cuts in the supermarket.
Then I guess I'm a murderer.
Look, I have a deep respect for animals. I consider myself an animal lover. When I eat meat, even a chicken nugget or a hamburger at a backyard bbq, I realize that an animal had to die for me to eat that. I don't take that for granted. I put a heavy premium on not wasting meat. I don't throw anything away. If I buy a chicken from the supermarket, I'm eating the whole thing. If I buy a steak at a steakhouse, I'm eating it all. Not an ounce of meat that I purchase will ever get wasted.
I feel like if an animal had to die for me to eat it, the least I could do is not let it go in vain by letting any go to waste.
But yes, I enjoy eating meat when I do, and if that makes me animal murderer then I guess I am.
But hey the food chain is the food chain. Every single carnivorous predator on this earth would gladly feed off you if given the opportunity.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116] 1
#26391274 - 12/19/19 06:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah sure, killing animals is wrong, but I like meat a lot and probably couldn't live without it. One day, humanity should give up the killing and eating of animals, but we're still really primitive and I think that's a lot way off. I admire anyone who can give up meat. I think that's a very moral and admirable thing to do, but I never could. And let me just say that as much as I love deer, venison is just about the most delicious thing I have ever tasted.
We should as a species give it up one day though, but we need to have a replacement that is identical to the real thing while costing around the same price. That's the one way I can realistically conceive of it happening.
If it was just me, and I had to kill a deer or a cow or a chicken myself in order to eat it, I wouldn't be able to do it. I'd have to survive off of grains and berries and mushrooms and shit.
But since we've got this wonderful manufacturing and distribution system where beautiful meat just shows up in meat form in the supermarket...
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Niffla]
#26391934 - 12/20/19 05:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asante said: Eating meat is being an accomplice in murder, theres no way around that, even if you only knew the animal as pre packaged cuts in the supermarket.
Then I guess I'm a murderer.
We all got dirty hands, we're part of a highly destructive system.
In the split second of holding this beautiful animal's head and holding the butchers knife to its neck, the rooster's neck becomes an object that must be severed as fast as possible. In a split second - objectification to get the job done.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: nooneman] 1
#26392683 - 12/20/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ft116 said: Does anybody else agree That killing animals is wrong?
I'm a vegetarian but I have no inherent problem with eating meat, like I do not feel it is inherently wrong to hunt and kill an animal to eat it and make use of its materials.
BUT!...
What I DO have a problem with and what I feel is super fucked up and wrong, is the industry of meat...The environmental impacts of such industry is very wrong, and I do feel it's wrong to have millions upon millions of animals cooped/corralled up through out their entire life just for the sole purpose of being killed and processed into meat.
That's what I feel is wrong and what I have a big issue with.
Too many people are hung up on the silly issue of "is it wrong to kill/eat animals" , and never really expand their thought to what I consider to be the real issue which is the impact that "eating animals" is having on the planet.
I ask...Is it wrong to destroy millions & millions of acres of pristine forests/land just to grow grain to feed animals? Is it wrong to use billions upon billions of gallons of water to grow that grain to feed the animals? Is it wrong for billions of creatures to spend their entire existence cooped/caged up?
I see things in a holistic way, I see our planet as one single system/organism...and I absolutely feel that growing and eating meat in the masses that is happening is very wrong and detrimental for the planet and "us" ("Us" being all life the resides on this planet).
I don't eat meat not because I feel "it's wrong to kill/eat an animal"...I don't eat meat because the majority of it comes from what I consider to be an absolutely filthy disgusting industry, it's an industry I don't agree with and I feel such industry is detrimental to our planet.
I'll eat small amounts of meat if it was hunted/wild, like if I was at a family members house and they had some venison that they or friend of theirs shot I'll eat a little of it if it's offered during a meal.
But the meat from an animal that spent its entire life in a corral, being fed corn/grain, being shot up with various antibiotics and/or hormones, it's entire life was spent for the sole purpose of being ground down into a "meat product" to stuff the stomachs of humans, an animal which took up hundreds of acres of land to feed and dozens to hundreds of thousands of gallons of water to grow that feed......Nah, I do not want any part of that going into my body/becoming a part of my system and I do not want to support such an industry.
Modern humans are not only totally separated from the kill, but also the animal/consciousness that their plate of flesh came from......Lots of folks in this thread love meat, but I guarantee a handful of you meat eaters don't have the guts to kill and gut out an animal yourself. Seeing the animals eyes, seeing it breathe, pulling the trigger and/or cutting its throat, feeling the warm blood pour down your hands & arms, dismembering and cutting out the guts & innards, snapping joints/bones, butchering it up into nice cuts of meat. I feel some of ya'll couldn't do it at all, and I feel some of ya'll would have a lot of feelings get stirred up about you being the reason the animals life is being taken....
....I feel that a lot of our ancestors actually felt strong feelings for and respect for the animals they hunted/killed and consumed. When modern folks have a pile of flesh on their plate, there is such a major disconnect there. There is no respect or recognition to the animal as being a conscious being, the same exact consciousness that is looking out from your eyes is looking out from it.
I'm a vegetarian and have had a plant based diet mostly for a few years now....but I don't have a problem with hunting and killing and gutting out an animal that I killed myself. I'll eat small amounts of meat from an animal that I hunted/killed myself, or from an animal that was raised/hunted & killed by a friend or family member if it's a special occasion/holiday.
But industrial meat from the store, that garbage will never go into my system and will never become a part of "me" ever again.
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nooneman said: Yeah sure, killing animals is wrong, but I like meat a lot and probably couldn't live without it. One day, humanity should give up the killing and eating of animals, but we're still really primitive and I think that's a lot way off. I admire anyone who can give up meat. I think that's a very moral and admirable thing to do, but I never could. And let me just say that as much as I love deer, venison is just about the most delicious thing I have ever tasted.
But since we've got this wonderful manufacturing and distribution system where beautiful meat just shows up in meat form in the supermarket...
I don't think the problem is that we're still "primitive"....Well, primitive maybe in regards to how we haven't "grown up" and evolved passed our urges/cravings.
The problem is a lot of people are straight up addicted to meat. People are so stuck in their ways and their habits, they think that meat is something that needs to be consumed with every single meal every single day. It's ridiculous and not necessary at all. When I stopped eating meat completely I realized how much of an actual "addiction" meat eating was even for me....Meat is not something that we need to live (at least not with every meal and every day), the growing/production of such is detrimental to our planet, and yet people still go on with "but I could never give it up". I call that an addiction, at the very least it is a bad habit that people don't think twice about.
Most people in our society are too big of a pussy to kill and gut and butcher up an animal themselves (either can't to it because they're grossed out and/or can't do it because they all of a sudden have "feelings and emotions" for the life they're going to take) , but they have no problem stuffing their face with burgers or chicken nuggets with out any thought to what it is they're consuming and how it made it onto their plate . Majority of people these days don't even recognize meat as something that was once a conscious living thing. They just see a "product".
And it's not a wonderful system from my eyes, it's actually a system that is quite detrimental to our planet. I don't consider the meat at the super market to be beautiful in any way. Most meat in stores doesn't even have any true "natural" color, they add coloring to the meat to make it look like it does . When looking at the meat section of a grocery store, I see nothing but destruction and a tremendous misuse of resources and many lives that spent their entire existence caged up.
I feel folks are also way WAAAAY way too black & white...For some reason it seems like people have this view point that they have to give up meat entirely or continue to be a meat eater, as if there is no other possible way...It is possible to just eat less meat.....People should at least put effort into eating less meat, not having it with every meal and not having it every day. Make it into like an every other day thing, or just once or twice a week, or once or twice a month, or only for special occasions/holidays.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: openmind] 1
#26392706 - 12/20/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nothing wrong with getting your meat like this IMO. Brings tears to my eyes to watch this:
Skip to 4:55 for the beautiful part.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: openmind]
#26392719 - 12/20/19 04:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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....and for those of you that go on about something along the lines of, "well what about killing plants to eat, isn't that cruel to the plants?"...or something like "one needs to kill/destroy to eat and survive, even plants".
Nah...A lot of plants live their life and produce fruits specifically so animals consume them, and a lot of plants do not need to be destroyed and killed to be consumed.
When I pick a strawberry I don't rip the entire plant out of the ground, the plant is still alive. Same in regards to all types of berries....When I pick a tomato I don't have to kill the plant. When I pick an orange I don't cut the entire tree down. When I pull a sweet potato out of the ground, a portion of it can go right back into the ground and the plant grows back. When I pick a cob of corn, the corn plant is at the end of its life anyways. When grain is harvested, the plant is at the ends of its life. When I harvest peppers, the plant is still alive.
When I harvest almonds or apples or walnuts or plums I don't have to kill the tree. When I pick edible mushrooms, the mycelium is still intact in the forest floor/substrate. When I harvest sunflower seeds the plant has already lived it's life. When I pick beans off a plant, I don't need to kill the plant to get the beans. When I pick a melon, the fruit is slipping off the vine and the plant is almost at the end of its life. I don't kill an avocado tree just for an avocado....etc etc etc etc.
Many plants "want" and need animals to eat them....A lot of plants pretty much "give themselves" to us, some plants are basically begging us to eat them/their fruits/seeds.
Though I suppose I did "kill" the carrots I grew and ate last spring. Since they were pulled and consumed before they bolted and produced seed/finishing their life cycle lol...but many plants do not need to be killed or destroyed to be used/consumed.
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#26392728 - 12/20/19 04:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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openmind said: I guarantee a handful of you meat eaters don't have the guts to kill and gut out an animal yourself.
It always used to surprise me how people can do this. Openly admit they could not do the kill and the butchering, and yet, be ardent consumers of meat. It just seems unethical to me. I think it's really important to have made a few kills in your developmental years.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: ft116]
#26392753 - 12/20/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got two deer in my freezer both killed this year been feeding my friends and family chilli and roast this month. Venison is lean and healthy plus eating meat keeps you from becoming a giant pussy
This Thanksgiving was mostly wild game we had wild turkey ,venison and pheasant
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I bet your rooster had a much better life than those bred by the millions, stuffed into cages and fattened up un-naturaly quickly. Then the workers kick them around and throw into the slaughter House where they get boiled alive and then their throats cut.
A big problem is the human population, we are not controlling it and these 'factorys' are becoming essential for our continual survival of the ammount of people we have now. Far too many of us to keep up the hunter gatherer.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Kmacmo]
#26393460 - 12/21/19 03:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kmacmo said: I bet your rooster had a much better life than those bred by the millions, stuffed into cages and fattened up un-naturaly quickly. Then the workers kick them around and throw into the slaughter House where they get boiled alive and then their throats cut.
A big problem is the human population, we are not controlling it and these 'factorys' are becoming essential for our continual survival of the ammount of people we have now. Far too many of us to keep up the hunter gatherer.
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Re: Killing animals is wrong. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26393462 - 12/21/19 03:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Speaking of which, one of my friends who was a meat eater all his life went completely veg
I on the other hand still eat meat, but only high quality, like organic free range chicken fillets 5 quid for 2 fillets, at least those animals were bread with respect and care
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openmind said: I guarantee a handful of you meat eaters don't have the guts to kill and gut out an animal yourself.
It always used to surprise me how people can do this. Openly admit they could not do the kill and the butchering, and yet, be ardent consumers of meat. It just seems unethical to me. I think it's really important to have made a few kills in your developmental years.
I wouldnt have a problem with killing and gutting, the only problem is I dont know how to gut, when I was like 12 I helped kill, gut and wax like 20 ducks, it was kinda morbidly cute when the duck with its head chopped off started wagging its tail while nailed to a post
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