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ID request Northern California
#26383122 - 12/15/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Habitat: Wood chips found under some ivy. Northern California. Gills: Brownish Color Stem: Whitish Cap: Brown to light brown Spore print color: Purple brown Bruising: Bluish
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: mushgatherer]
#26383126 - 12/15/19 11:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely a psilocybe. P. Allenii is my guess, but I'm not that familiar with them so not 100% sure. Nice find, congrats!
Edited by shroom28 (12/15/19 11:05 AM)
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: shroom28]
#26383140 - 12/15/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Allenii
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26383172 - 12/15/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice first (?) find. Welcome to the Shroomery. Now you know what you're looking for. Having found these, it ought to be easy to also ID cyans, which although cap shape and color differs from allenii, the white stem and blueing effect and texture is very similar...happy hunting.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Hamra]
#26383215 - 12/15/19 11:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely Psilocybe allenii
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Moria841]
#26383603 - 12/15/19 03:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I concur on allenii but wait for a TI
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Thanks for all the help, this is my first find. What is a TI? I can't seem to find that acronym in the forums.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: mushgatherer]
#26383902 - 12/15/19 06:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trusted Identifier is a title handed to some of the members on this site that have immense knowledge of mushroom identification. There is also a trusted cultivator tag for members that have proven to be successful in growing mushrooms and putting out reliable food information
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26384014 - 12/15/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, pretty cool to see allenii getting that tall.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26384016 - 12/15/19 07:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybe allenii.   
Great pictures & well-formatted identification request! 
Your TI should be arriving as time allows. 

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Edited by shroomguy087 (12/18/19 04:48 PM)
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: shroomguy087]
#26386857 - 12/17/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dried up the smaller caps are brownish, but the largest cap is almost completely black. Other posts I found seem to agree that doesn't mean much except the way they were handled. I washed them and was pretty rough scraping the dirt off. Not sure if that changes the ID at all.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: mushgatherer]
#26386984 - 12/17/19 12:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I first found woodlovers I washed them and they turned really dark blue. I don't wash them now it degrades potency
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26387006 - 12/17/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: When I first found woodlovers I washed them and they turned really dark blue. I don't wash them now it degrades potency
Washing them is like making mushroom tea that you throw away.
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Shroomhunts said: When I first found woodlovers I washed them and they turned really dark blue. I don't wash them now it degrades potency
Washing them is like making mushroom tea that you throw away.
Even a quick dip and shake in some water to get rid of sand/dirt?
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Sirtalis]
#26387122 - 12/17/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sirtalis said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Shroomhunts said: When I first found woodlovers I washed them and they turned really dark blue. I don't wash them now it degrades potency
Washing them is like making mushroom tea that you throw away.
Even a quick dip and shake in some water to get rid of sand/dirt?
I eat the dirt because fuck it, its just dirt. You can use a toothbrush and gently brush it off, if you dont like the grit.
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I give them out to friends and prefer to not have them biting on sand. They're already way stronger than cubensis so I haven't noticed any negatives of a quick rinse.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Sirtalis]
#26387752 - 12/17/19 08:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll know not to wash them that much for next time. So, since Alan didn't say that it wasn't allenii I'm going to assume that it is a positive ID. Thanks all!
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: mushgatherer] 1
#26388611 - 12/18/19 11:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is something that one of you chemist out there with real lab access should test out for us, I wouldn't think that there would be much indole loss with a light wash, especially since the compounds are inside the cells and rupturing those cells is required to release the actives. It's true that those certain indoles are water soluble and easily extracted with water but I believe that without any break down of the cells there will be minimal to no loss of active compounds in a short bath cold water, but hot water promotes cellular breakdown and releases more indole in a shorter period of time.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Doc9151]
#26388701 - 12/18/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure gently rinsing would create minimal waste, but why risk it when you could use a brush? I have thought about washing them again because I have found some that had slugs slime on them which is known to cause problems
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Sirtalis]
#26389121 - 12/18/19 04:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: When I first found woodlovers I washed them and they turned really dark blue. I don't wash them now it degrades potency
Washing them is like making mushroom tea that you throw away.
Even a quick dip and shake in some water to get rid of sand/dirt?
I eat the dirt because fuck it, its just dirt. You can use a toothbrush and gently brush it off, if you dont like the grit.
Dried mushrooms should never be washed in water if you are concerned with retaining potency, fresh samples present an exception.
The most washing that should be done with specimens is one drop of water on your thumb when they are fresh if they have naturally dried out & there is no retained moisture on the samples already.
As you use the grooves in your skin to gently remove all the spores from the surface of caps, dense mats of spores will form & dry on your fingers.
The spore mats on your fingers can carefully wash off into a shot glass with more drops of water added to easily collect the purple spores for your solution.
By freezing these spore solutions you can start a collection that can store well as long as freezing temperatures are retained & applied to landscapes as needed.

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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: shroomguy087]
#26389156 - 12/18/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dirt falls off when they are dried but some people like them fresh and they are not going anywhere near my mouth with all that shit caked in there.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Doc9151] 1
#26389178 - 12/18/19 05:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Dirt falls off when they are dried but some people like them fresh and they are not going anywhere near my mouth with all that shit caked in there.
Eating them fresh from a clean substrate is the most ideal way to experience this species in my experience. 
The flavor profile is very nice & unique but that among other traits is lost to some extent when dried. 
Such a unique taste & textural experience eating these mushrooms fresh. 
It is a shame that at this point in our era's history experiences like that have been limited to few. 
Hopefully cultivation becomes more accepted as a healthful activity as our society begins to accept Psilocybe species for depression treatment.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: shroomguy087]
#26389207 - 12/18/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, I have grown up with Psilocybe cubensis and no way in hell am I not rinsing fresh fruit bodies to eat, dry is another story, but never fresh; other Psilocybe species are fine, dirt isn't the issue, it's the manure I have a problem with.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Doc9151]
#26389284 - 12/18/19 06:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Please, the shit builds character
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26391311 - 12/19/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can confirm that shit eating does indeed build character, but is it possible a TI could help confirm the photos? Thanks in advance!
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: mushgatherer]
#26392343 - 12/20/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushgatherer said: I can confirm that shit eating does indeed build character, but is it possible a TI could help confirm the photos? Thanks in advance!
I have a feeling that the two TI's that graced this page with their time may have seen the six other people identifying it as Psilocybe allenii & gave a confirmation of the ID vicariously.
Just off of the fact that they would have immediately identified it if it was a lookalike, especially if it was toxic or semi-toxic in any way.
The TI's may trust many of us to some extent to have experience identifying woodlovers & tend to only step in if someone has been given a false ID.
If it's any help I have been identifying woodlovers successfully in western WA for seven years now & am very familiar with the species Ps. allenii, that you for sure have samples of. 
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I'm the same way with you there Doc, wash the manure for sure to remove potential contaminant bacteria or viruses that can live there.
Being familiar with woodlovers, small amounts of sand, silt, clay & dirt end up in my samples at points & although it roughens up my stomach, I recover well in time feeling detoxed.
The term shit usually implies random physical material of any sort for me so I totally forgot we are on a mushroom forum dealing with physical manure. 
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: shroomguy087]
#26392404 - 12/20/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The real worry would be pathenogenic organisms is the manure. Which I doubt after it’s been pasteurized or sterilized. Many people do not seem to understand pathenogenic organisms and why they’re called that. Because they can begin to live inside your body and use it as a substrate basically lol
Most often the immune system completely destroys pathogens. Sometimes they can be harder to eradicate. Many humans have candida which is a pathenogenic infection of candida. However the candida is supppsed to be in you body to begin with. A poor diet leads to candida becoming over populated emensely.
I’m interested in the slug slime causing issues however that’s crossed my mind before collecting in the wild
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: Raven44]
#26393144 - 12/20/19 08:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah most people don't realize that almost all disease are caused by having bad guests in your body. It's a common misconception that people are just organisms when in reality we are symbiotic. You actually consist of many species living in your vessel some of which are beneficial and others being malicious. I could talk all day about this kind of stuff but I ain't tryna thread jack
On a side note regarding the consumption of excrement, most modern humans actually survive on a diet of 90-100% fecal matter excreted by the organisms that live in their guts.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: shroomguy087]
#26394264 - 12/21/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eating them fresh from a clean substrate is the most ideal way to experience this species in my experience. 
The flavor profile is very nice & unique but that among other traits is lost to some extent when dried. 
Such a unique taste & textural experience eating these mushrooms fresh. 
It is a shame that at this point in our era's history experiences like that have been limited to few. 
I absolutely concur!
I looooove eating cyans and allenii fresh.
I enjoy not only the texture they have in the mouth when being chewed up, and their aroma when fresh, but also the qualities of the trip itself that aren't present with dried mushrooms. (fresh mushrooms have always had a certain "zest" about them that isn't there after dried)
I might eat some fresh cyans and/or allenii tonight for the solstice. Kept some in the fridge from a harvest earlier this week. If not tonight then I won't have another chance to eat fresh mushrooms until next year's season.
Once I get my own little patch established at home, one of these years I'm going to kneel down and eat the mushroom(s) straight from the substrate with out even picking them . I've always wanted to do that when I see perfect immaculate mushrooms lol...om nom nom nom nom nom .
The stems on those allenii in the OP look chunky, real thick & long lol.
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Re: ID request Northern California [Re: openmind]
#26394539 - 12/21/19 07:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Once I get my own little patch established at home, one of these years I'm going to kneel down and eat the mushroom(s) straight from the substrate with out even picking them . I've always wanted to do that when I see perfect immaculate mushrooms lol...om nom nom nom nom nom .
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#26407893 - 12/30/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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An update on my mushroom patch: I left these babies alone (following Mr. Rockefeller's advice not to pick too early) in the area from the last find for two weeks:

Came back last night to these!

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