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Painfullyaware1973
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Oh No!!! Yellow patches!
#26382885 - 12/15/19 08:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m working on my first actual mushroom grow and I’ve run into my first real problem. I’m in my third day of the pinning stage and this morning I noticed a few spots in each monotub that have a slight yellow discoloration. As shown on the pics I have a storage bin with a mister blowing mist into each monotub through PVP pipe and both temperature and humidity are monitored and adjusted with a Irkbird ITC-608T controller. I’m thinking that the problem is that even though the Inkbird was keeping the humidity at the levels I set it too I was still spraying the monotub and there was a good amount of water built up on the sides and top of the monotub. I have since whipped off all the water from the sides and top of the monotub and as seen on the pic below although the humidity is at the level it should be there is no longer all that dripping water on the top and sides of the monotub, just a fine mist in the tub itself. Hopefully this will stop the yellow discoloration which I’m guessing is either contamination or something I read about called “mycelium piss). Any thoughts?
     
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bodhisatta 
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You took something that was automatic and made it into a habitat for mold with a lot of extra stuff to maintain.
Monotubs that do well have in common no tubes attached to them.
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Re: Oh No!!! Yellow patches! [Re: bodhisatta]
#26383012 - 12/15/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually there's nothing to maintain at all aside from daily fanning. Are you suggesting that things like Reptile humidifiers or in this case a storage tub should never be used? If so there's quite a few people who would disagree.I also have a small mono tub that began fruiting at the same time as the two large ones and it has no "tubes" attached to it at all just been spraying mist and it also has a small yellow patch so the tubes are obviously not the problem in this case.
Edited by Painfullyaware1973 (12/15/19 09:53 AM)
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You don't fan monotubs they get 24/7 fae automatically
I don't care about a few people who disagree. Opinions are shit. Argue with results. Show me the best results the ones you want to achieve done with humidifier piped tubs. Which only help to grow contamination
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Re: Oh No!!! Yellow patches! [Re: bodhisatta]
#26383338 - 12/15/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree about opinions being like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. But the one opinion i do tend to take stock in is Paul Stamets suggestion in his book The Mushroom Cultivator to provide fresh air exchanges a certain amount of times a day. I also take into account all of the people who dont fan at all in a monotub and decided to land somewhere in the middle of the two and fan a couple times a day. Like i stated in my previous response the small non tubed monotub that i started the pinning stage at the same time as the tubed bigger monotubs also has a small yellowish spot and it is in fact tubeless. The 5th pic showing the slight yellow spot is actually from that small tubeless monotub.One of the two bigger monotub actually has no yellow spots.The yellow spots on both the one big tubed monotub and the small tubeless monotub has very small puddles on top of them from the dripping of the sprayed on water (the mist from the tubes does not build up on the sides) and i think the yellow is the mycelium not liking all that water that was puddled on the top of the yellow patches.Im not convinced yet that this is even contamination. I am no longer spraying the monotub and just letting the tubes mist so if there is no longer any yellow spots then the pooling was the problem...ill post results.
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You'll find that Paul Stamets is a polarising person in this forum. No doubt that here (in Shroomery) are some a lot more knowledgeable individuals about certain aspects of mycology than Stamets. He has made some unsubstantiated claims about mycology that have been proven to be wrong and on some occasions has not commented or recanted the wrong ones. He also has done a lot of good for bringing actives and mycology more mainstream and undoubtedly is an interesting story teller to listen to.
About your point though - The Mushroom Cultivator was originally published in 1983 - doesn't mean that it is invalid but some ideas most certainly have been evolved to better or easier to implement ones.
Here when looking for a viable TEK the first advice is to look for ones that are not older than 5 years.
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Painfullyaware1973 said: to provide fresh air exchanges a certain amount of times a day
Doesn't it make more sense to better have constant & sufficient FAE instead of periodical bursts of it? SGFC is a great example of that - when properly constructed it gives constant FAE and good humidity/evaporation.
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He seemed to know what he was talking about.I first learned of him watching the Joe Rogan podcast and was very interested in what he was saying about Lions Mane mushrooms.I never knew he was such a polarizing figure.If you dont mid me asking... what were some of the unsubstantiated claims about mycology he made? I really didn't read that much of his book so much as i just copied the growing parameters for some of the strains i was interested in like the Psilocybe azurescens but first i would really like to get one damn successful grow under my belt before figuring out how to get the temp in my closet down to 50-60F for that particular mushroom.Hopefuly ill grow at least one frigging mushroom with the tubs Ive got going now so i can get some agar plates going and no longer deal with this spore syringe crap, im really starting here from nothing and am basically rubbing two sticks together. Hopefully ill manage to grow at least a couple shrooms for some agar and maybe even a few spore prints. I have penis envy spores on the way and if they go well after my current Golden teacher grow i would have figured out how to get those low temps in my closet for the azurescens. Hopefully by that time i will be able to build a laminar air flow box because the still air box i made is very annoying.
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Just search this forum for "Stamets" and sort by date starting with the newest. You won't have to look very far for a lot more knowledgeable people than me pointing to a very scientific analysis of some of his work and it's flaws.
I also first got interested into mycology after watching Stamets on Joe Rogan Experience - as I mentioned - he has done a lot of good but he also is a good salesman and you should not take all of his ideas for gospel. As usual - do your own research (and from multiple sources); the best advice that can be given.
E.g. read this thread from the beginning to end : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26189029/fpart/1/vc/1
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Ill take a look. I'm assuming you already have a few successful grows under your belt?
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I'm just a beginner really - I'm that kind of guy who will research a topic until my eyes start bleeding before getting my hands dirty; and I hate asking questions that have been answered before so I just search and read 
I have started some projects but as they take time I can't say that I have completed a serious bulk grow yet.
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I hear ya, I researched for a good long while. Read whatever i got my hands on and when i wasn't doing that i was watching other growers on YouTube but i also like getting my hands dirty. I did everything the way the majority of successful growers had done it and everything seemed to be going well up until the few yellow patches.I know i can only expect so much working with spore syringes and a still air box as far as contamination but hopefully i can get at least a few mushrooms out of this grow so i can get my hands on some strong mycelium to work with.The Paul stamets thread was very interesting.
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Simply put, the "tube" business is garb. Sorry for your wasted efforts. This forum (and my closet) is brimming with results from completely unmodified containers. Mushrooms so densely packed that you find yourself wishing the pinset was worse because now you need to dry all these fucking things.
All in all, regardless of your other tub showing the same issue doesn't mean carry on that way. Use that space for another tub, not tubes.
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I can also show you many examples of brimming results from modified containers on this very forum. Time will tell and ill post results.Like i said this is my first grow and i am not yet committed to any particular method yet but in order to find one that i think works best im going to have to try more then one method and this modified tub is the first method im trying.
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Edited by Painfullyaware1973 (12/17/19 03:57 PM)
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You don't have to use my method but I just want you to use any method that gets you results like this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800/fpart/1
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Re: Oh No!!! Yellow patches! [Re: bodhisatta]
#26387755 - 12/17/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not that i dont want to use any particular method its just that the method im using was the first method i experimented with.Ill definitely take a look at that thread.
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Day 6 and pinning has started.
 
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The pinning was going along nicely but I noticed something very strange. The pinning was progressing at a steady rate as far as growth and although they were growing it did seem a little slow. When I checked on them in the morning that slow steady grow rate had skyrocketed to at least 5 times what I was observing as the norm. I noticed that the temp went from 73 to 80 overnight so besides fanning them more then I had been that temp change was the only thing that was different. Is this type of growth spurt something that happens normally or can a change in temp really make that much of a growth spurt. I uploaded the pics so the side by side can be compared. Also I have harvested the tiny monotub that I was just misting by hand and I have dumb question about harvesting…I have been twisting and pulling to harvest them but when I do a big white ball at the bottom of the mushroom is pulled up with it and has a lot of dirt on it. Is it better to cut the mushroom at the base of that white ball or should I be doing what I have been and take the round white ball with it? You can see that same white ball at the bottom of the mushrooms in the pics.
  
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I've learned home machining 3D printing and fractional distillation all on my own and what I've learned is when starting out follow people who have been successful and don't overthink things. I wish you the best of luck!
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Re: Oh No!!! Yellow patches! [Re: tramalot]
#26411170 - 01/01/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Managed to get 190 Grams dry from my first grow attempt.
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