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Mr_enforcer1
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Shaking at 90%
#26382017 - 12/14/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This has happened a few times. Shaking around 90% to finish those few Stubborn uncolonized grains on the top or bottom but it doesn’t recover with thick myc it started with. The myc seems very light fluffy without any signs of bacteria. Does anybody have any experience with this? I figure it might be from lack of new nutrients?
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it means its not as clean as ya think.
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: mushboy]
#26382099 - 12/14/19 08:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well given there’s always going to be some contams present, is it accurate that shaking it just gives it a leg up on the myc? My understanding is the whole point of shaking it is to reveal any nastys that are hiding, but without shaking might otherwise be very a decent producer especially in a shoebox if the myc wins the race.
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I somewhat reject the notion that there's always contams present. Even if there technically is, then they shouldn't be noticeable. If you see the signs, the message is clear.
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I always thought that shaking was to get the mycelium spread out more to colonize the sub faster. Cuz correct me if im wrong but time has been the factor that lets contams take over, in my experiences. And I would question that contams are always present, if that were the case it would be hard to run a LC or a g2g.
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: MH5109]
#26382132 - 12/14/19 08:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shaking spreads myc and contams and so it reveals how clean it is as with just days time contams will develop noticeably. Should there be a small contamination before shaking it will be widespread adterward, which is more obvious. Time isn't the only relevant factor for contamination trouble.
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: Failboat]
#26382191 - 12/14/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pc doesn’t kill contams, this is common practice right? This is why we don’t let the jars sit after PCing grains and it best to use them as soon as possible. According to RR shaking actually slows down colonization times
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Id say pc-ing doesn't GUARANTEE. However for funsies I used a couple jars lately that were leftover from 8 months ago successfully. Also just my own experiment but I'd say sometimes, all the nasties get lit by PC.
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Yea i think thats kinda implied that shaking a jar would spread everything inside of the jar, contamination included, thats why folks don't spawn jars that take a long TIME to recover after a shake or colonize, at least I don't. And last time I checked the pc does kill the stuff you don't want inside your jar, i know iv left jars sit for 10-14 days and inoculated them with success, maybe a touch dry but they still colonized for two and three flushes. But im just an amateur grower so what do i really know. Iv also had jars that contam after 2 weeks too, after the pc cycle still in the pc lol.
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: MH5109]
#26382240 - 12/14/19 09:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive let pced jars sit for months on end they donnt mold. sterile is sterile.
if you jars show poor recovery they are like 99% sketch.
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: mushboy]
#26382432 - 12/14/19 11:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Otherwise canning wouldn't be standard for food storage.
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: mushboy]
#26382628 - 12/15/19 04:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Slow to recover is never good...
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Re: Shaking at 90% [Re: mushboy]
#26382713 - 12/15/19 06:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
mushboy said: it means its not as clean as ya think.
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It can also mean that the grain is dry but that's generally not the case. Shaking mixes everything around and reveals what you have going on. Slow and are sketchy recovery means something is awry. I don't recall RR saying that shaking slows down colonization but I'd imagine it was a comment in a larger context. Not all shakes are the same. Shaking at 30% certainly doesn't slow down my cultures. Shaking a jar at 99% would slow down colonization.... i guess.
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"Mushrooms are a species that benefits from disruption"
I Notice after i shake jars the myc comes back stronger and faster. It seems to explode after the shake and colonise faster.
I recently had some baby king oyster jars that did not come back very well after a shake and later discovered them smelled weird and had bacteria in them.
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"Stubborn grains" are usually bacterial grains. They just havent been given the opportunity to spread yet. Shitty recovery on shaking reveals the inevitable. It's going to happen in your jar or in your sub. Better to know when it's still in the jar.
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