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All side pins, what next?
#26381979 - 12/14/19 07:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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My sub dried out and shrunk. It trapped moisture on the sides and dried out on top. I cased it in hopes of rehydrating the top and creating better growing conditions on top. At this point the first flush is entirely on the sides. I am thinking I will harvest and dunk the whole substrate. When should I harvest the side pins? How can I stop it from happening again on the 2nd flush and encourage growth from the top?




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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26382161 - 12/14/19 08:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The side pins look like mutants or blobs to me. I’d pick them when you notice them stop growing or they start to get soft. You need to work on your Surface Conditions . What varietie is this?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: SFS96]
#26382337 - 12/14/19 10:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the response and link. I was thinking they looked mutant as well but wasn't entirely sure if they were or if it was because they grew against the wall. These are also the fist mushrooms I have grown. I don't know what strain they are. I cloned them from some dried mushrooms I had. Any tips on what to do to encourage growth on top for the next flush and prevent side pins?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26382538 - 12/15/19 02:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used those buckets before and didnt like them because as the sub shrinks it lifts up due to the big groove around the bottom that it deep. Just make sure the bottoms are smooth.
Shoeboxes might be a better place to start. Lots of Trusted Cultivators here using shoeboxes.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: YogiBear]
#26382654 - 12/15/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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How did ur surface get so dry? It looks like your using the unmodified tub tek, correct?
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I did the unmodified tub and introduced straight to fruiting. I left the lid on top of the latches which I found was incorrect. I think the sub may have been on the dry side even though it was at or near field capacity and the way I left the lid allowed too much fae and misting did not keep up with how fast it dried out.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: YogiBear]
#26383095 - 12/15/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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YogiBear said: Shoeboxes might be a better place to start. Lots of Trusted Cultivators here using shoeboxes.
Are you putting the shoeboxes inside a larger tote or fruiting to open air?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26383103 - 12/15/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like to dubtub shoeboxes so I can watch them grow. U can also stack them if u use binder clips to hold the top on snug.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: SFS96]
#26383279 - 12/15/19 12:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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SFS96 said: I like to dubtub shoeboxes so I can watch them grow. U can also stack them if u use binder clips to hold the top on snug.

wait, do you put that shoebox anywhere? I want to try a shoebox with horse poop, but I want to do it as maintenance free as possible... I failed too many times with my fruiting chambers that i'm going in vitro...
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: BentoGrow]
#26383411 - 12/15/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take it out and put it in a larger tub and just fruit it like a cake. Let them grow from the sides.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc] 1
#26383429 - 12/15/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Might have gone a little too long though.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: BentoGrow]
#26383461 - 12/15/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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SFS96 said: I like to dubtub shoeboxes so I can watch them grow. U can also stack them if u use binder clips to hold the top on snug.

wait, do you put that shoebox anywhere? I want to try a shoebox with horse poop, but I want to do it as maintenance free as possible... I failed too many times with my fruiting chambers that i'm going in vitro...
I have shelving with lights I keep them on. U can really put them anywhere they get some light though. I’d skip the poo and use coir instead. Just use 1 or 2 quarts of spawn in a box with 2 quarts of coir and call it good. It’s takes little maintenance just make sure your coir is a field capacity.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26383682 - 12/15/19 04:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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vikingsc said: Take it out and put it in a larger tub and just fruit it like a cake. Let them grow from the sides.
That's a good idea. It's already a fairly large tub. I don't have a larger tub. What do you think about cutting it in half and putting it in 2 tubs? Should I do that now?
 I finally have some pins forming on top.  How does that affect my timing for harvesting the sides? It's difficult to figure out when I can't see the veils. I think I should dunk the whole substrate for the next flush. Just trying to figure out the timing of where it will be beneficial vs harmful to the next flush.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: SFS96]
#26383688 - 12/15/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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SFS96 said: I like to dubtub shoeboxes so I can watch them grow. U can also stack them if u use binder clips to hold the top on snug.

I'll give those tubs a try, thanks!
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26383761 - 12/15/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally wouldn't break it up you didn't have to. When they're side or bottom, the timing isn't quite as crucial as they're generally not able to drop spores most of the time. You just don't want them starting to rot.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26383973 - 12/15/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a small greenhouse because I was also trying to grow some pans. It's set to range between mid 90s to high 70s humidity. How would they do in there if I pulled it out of the tub and just set it on the lid in the greenhouse?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26383986 - 12/15/19 07:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that's probably the ticket for you. Anything that gives it some room to grow or it comes out all stringy and calamari like and covered in substrate.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26384043 - 12/15/19 07:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That range might be ok. I'd set to 85-90 and keep an eye on it that it doesn't look too saturated.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Grimsweeper]
#26387939 - 12/17/19 11:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The mushrooms on the sides look a little better. There are pins on top!
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26388427 - 12/18/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, there you go. PE? Or what variety?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26388857 - 12/18/19 02:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol all those gnarly mutants and then a lone cluster of normals in the center.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26388998 - 12/18/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe? I'm not sure the variety. I cloned some old random dried shrooms. I'm hoping to get a better idea when the top pins grow out more. Maybe someone will have an idea what variety they are. I'm wondering what they are myself.
There are actually several smaller clusters growing scattered over the top. Those mutants were smashed againt the wall of the tub for quite a while until I pulled the whole thing out. I assume that's why they grew that way. Would there be another reason? This is my first grow so I'm not sure at all. Very interesting leaning process.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26389056 - 12/18/19 04:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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My moneys on PE based on the cap color and the overall shape of the side shrooms.
Were the dried ones you grew from absurdly strong?
Also how’d you clone them?? Soak them in water then put it on agar or grain?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: A.k.a]
#26389816 - 12/18/19 11:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I cut a piece out from the inside of the stipe and grew out on agar.
When I took the dried shrooms it was a strange trip and it started taking a dark turn. I ended up taking some molly to change it up and had a great night.
When I moved the cake out of the tub I knocked a few blobs off so I ate them. It was 20g wet and I thought it would be mild but it was actually quite a strong trip.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26389824 - 12/18/19 11:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Goad to hear about the clone 
I’m starting to think taking fresh is more potent, or at least hits you different.
I took 8g fresh once and tripped for like 4 hours, nothing crazy but way more than I anticipated for what the crew’s consensus seems to be mush is 90% would make my 8g only .8 
And then another time I took a 3g (.3) fresh microdose and it had me feeling like it was not so micro, if ya know what I mean... 
I wonder how often people are eating fresh vs dehydrated....
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I was excited as it was my first time eating fresh mushrooms. That was one thing I was looking forward to doing with the growing experience.
I was thinking the same thing wout dose, 20g=2g=euphoria maybe some visuals. Instead it was a full trip on the edging out of ego into infinity.
Maybe fresh is stronger
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Where did you get your info?
From my sources and experience. Yes the mushrooms wet is 90% water. So to get a equivalent to dry. You'll divide by 10 THEN add half the weight. So
30g ÷ 10 = 3g + (half the weight) 1.5g* = 4.5g
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if the mushroom is 90% water then 10% of 30 grams is 3 grams.
Why are you adding half the weight? That would mean the mushroom is 85% water....
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Yeah that half the weight thing makes no sense.
Two grams is just mild euphoria for you??? That’s decent low midrange dose for most people I know.
From what I’ve read fresh shrooms will hit you faster and be slightly stronger cuz of the small amounts of psilocin in there that would be destroyed during drying.
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It's an equivalent equation.
Do 85% in your head and let me know how quick that goes. Also, NO they're not 85% water. They're 92% Also!
You're not taking in account for the psylicybin that evaporats when dehydrating.
I'm not making this shit up lol
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: A.k.a]
#26390610 - 12/19/19 12:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to be in the habit of anytime I was harvesting - I would just eat any pins or aborts and not even think about it. Rather than dehydrating them. This lead to several 'surprise' trips. Days when you have a few monotubs to harvest and suddenly you're full on tripping and not expecting it. If definitely doesn't take much if those fresh mushrooms are all pins.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26390645 - 12/19/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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vikingsc said: I used to be in the habit of anytime I was harvesting - I would just eat any pins or aborts and not even think about it. Rather than dehydrating them. This lead to several 'surprise' trips. Days when you have a few monotubs to harvest and suddenly you're full on tripping and not expecting it. If definitely doesn't take much if those fresh mushrooms are all pins.
Ive done that once before and wound up in bed staring at the wall for 2 hours !!! LOL like 10 tiny less than one inch shroomies.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: YogiBear]
#26390659 - 12/19/19 12:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aborts are that strong?? Ten couldn’t be more than like half a gram right? I have a bag full they usually fall to the bottom of the dehydrator so once a bunch build up I’ll pour them out. Haven’t tried any though.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux] 1
#26390802 - 12/19/19 02:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Neoflux said: I cut a piece out from the inside of the stipe and grew out on agar.
When I took the dried shrooms it was a strange trip and it started taking a dark turn. I ended up taking some molly to change it up and had a great night.
When I moved the cake out of the tub I knocked a few blobs off so I ate them. It was 20g wet and I thought it would be mild but it was actually quite a strong trip.
If the trip goes dark then the problem is in your head not within the musbroom...
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: A.k.a]
#26390814 - 12/19/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A.k.a said: Aborts are that strong?? Ten couldn’t be more than like half a gram right? I have a bag full they usually fall to the bottom of the dehydrator so once a bunch build up I’ll pour them out. Haven’t tried any though.
The last time I tripped was 7.5gs of aborts... I dont have any recent experiences with that amount to compare it to but it seemed about the same to me... or double the strength of the 3.5 g dose I took the week before of the mature mushrooms out of the same tub
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BlueTryptoYoshi said: It's an equivalent equation.
Do 85% in your head and let me know how quick that goes. Also, NO they're not 85% water. They're 92% Also!
You're not taking in account for the psylicybin that evaporats when dehydrating.
I'm not making this shit up lol
Wut? Lol
Ok dude all mushrooms differ in water content but the general number that most go off of on here is 90% water by weight. It may very well be a little more or less but that's a general figure and it's a pretty good one
Psilocin does not just magically evaporate into the air either but it does degrade very easily but either way why would that have anything to do with water weight? Are you saying that some of the weight that you loose from them dehydrating is from the psilocin "evaporating" lmao
I dont think so.
90% water weight is a good golden standard....d
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: If the trip goes dark then the problem is in your head not within the musbroom...
For sure. I don't know why I slipped into that darkness that night but it's definitely my head. I've never had a dark trip on molly though. I'm not sure of it's possible. I ended up having a great night after that.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26392660 - 12/20/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Things are looking good I think. I'm getting a good flush on the top now. Are we thinking PE still?
There is some blueing on a couple caps. Is this normal? I've seen some things about blueing when the cap is about to break away from the stipe.
I just want to make sure it's not due to some poor conditions like too much water on the cap or something.
It's in a greenhouse with a humidifier pumping in and a fan blowing air out/sucking air in top to bottom. Thoughts?
  
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26392934 - 12/20/19 06:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice cluster
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: YogiBear]
#26393304 - 12/20/19 11:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, looks like PE to me. A little bluing is normal. Looking good.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26396337 - 12/22/19 08:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks!
I think at least those couple in the middle are ready for harvest. They're surrounded by others that will probably be ready in a day or 2.
I could try to harvest them out of the middle. I could harvest all of the bigger ones.
Although, I hear PE doesn't really drop spores. So I'm thinking they aren't subject to much of the advice for other varieties.
Could those be ok there for a couple days when the others will be ready for harvest?
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: Neoflux]
#26397582 - 12/23/19 02:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Been 17 hours since you posted that. Those few in the middle are probably just about maxxed now. Once their caps start to flatten out near fully you don't want to leave them much past that or they can start to decompose. You can harvest just those few and harvest the others a day or two later.
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Re: All side pins, what next? [Re: vikingsc]
#26398472 - 12/24/19 12:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I harvested the larger fruits tonight. I'll harvest the rest in the next couple days. I appreciate everyone that jumped in and helped with this, my first grow! I'm feeling good about it!
 
I also harvested my first flush of Chitwan tonight.
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