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Kratom leaves to be left out of new narcotics list in Thailand
    #26381241 - 12/14/19 02:30 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Justice Minister, Somsak Thapsutin said on Wednesday (December 11) that his ministry would propose new laws related to narcotics in terms of type and legal penalty, and aimed to exclude kratom leaves from the drug lists.

"To consider plants or chemicals as narcotics, the government referred to World Health Organisation (WHO)'s drug regulatory framework, which defined narcotics as having four characteristics," he explained.

First, narcotics must cause effects on the users' body like anxiety or severe dysentery, when they stop using them.

Second, narcotics have no medical advantage or have them slightly, and, third, those who consume it suffer from health problems, such as emaciation, weakness, and being nervous, and cannot control themselves.

Lastly, narcotics can cause an impact on society.

"Kratom leaves do not match those characteristics," said the minister. "Those who use them can stop using it easily, and the leaves can be used as herb to relieve pain, fever, dysentery, or diarrhoea. Also, it is better than morphine thirteen times in killing pain, and has a few disadvantages.

https://www.asiaone.com/asia/kratom-leaves-be-left-out-new-narcotics-list-thailand?fbclid=IwAR0rEec2PFSnoCTiRJh9rObzMxx2vRd0bUvOeF4osckVh8gePEoy3zd3k7k





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Re: Kratom leaves to be left out of new narcotics list in Thailand [Re: openmind]
    #26381306 - 12/14/19 03:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

This is good news :thumbup: .





If you haven't heard some of the latest in regards to kratom over this past summer....As of this past June, Indonesia is considering banning the growing and export of kratom, and since Indonesia is where the majority of kratom is grown and exported this is a pretty big deal for not only consumers of the leaf but also for the folks that make a living from growing/harvesting/exporting the leaf over in Indonesia and other parts of SE Asia.

Supposedly....Sometime this past year some officials from the U.S. FDA went to Indonesia and met with Indonesian authorities & folks from the Indonesian Ministry of Health, and the folks from the FDA basically encouraged the Ministry of Health to ban the exportation of kratom in Indonesia.

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Indonesian news outlets reported at the end of June that authorities are considering a ban on growing and exporting kratom. Nothing is set in stone yet, but the country’s National Agency of Drug and Food Control has proposed a ban that would take effect in 2024, giving farmers time to transition to other crops.....

....Haddow tells Inverse that an Indonesian Health Ministry official told his association that the “top FDA official” had “encouraged the Minister of Health to help the United States by banning the exportation of kratom.”....

....“Theoretically, between now and five years from now, the supply of kratom would be severely limited out of Indonesia,” says Haddow. “And that’s where 95 percent of the world’s kratom comes from.”


https://www.inverse.com/article/57247-aka-versus-fda-indonesian-kratom-ban






Basically...It seems like if the FDA can't manage to easily ban kratom here in the US like they have been trying, then they're just going directly to the source and trying to make it so it's not being exported.

There is no direct "proof" of that other than the claims from the Indonesian Ministry of Health official, but it's not hard for me to believe the FDA/US government would do something like that.



So even if production & export of kratom becomes banned/illegal in Indonesia (where pretty much all kratom is exported at the moment), then perhaps Thailand will take up that market :shrug: .

That's a big "IF" though...I'm not sure if Indonesia is actually going to follow through with the ban. But still something to be aware of and concerned about.




Either way...regardless of what's going on in Indonesia, this is good news, plants/nature should not be criminalized. I'm always happy when I hear about a plant that is no longer criminalized.





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Re: Kratom leaves to be left out of new narcotics list in Thailand [Re: openmind]
    #26381552 - 12/14/19 05:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Are they going to ban alcohol and nicotine then?

Plants shouldn't be banned.


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Re: Kratom leaves to be left out of new narcotics list in Thailand [Re: openmind]
    #26394359 - 12/21/19 07:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I think in a lot of instances, it gets a bad rap because people mess around with the concentrates and take way too much.
That or they mix it with some downer or psychotropic and it causes an adverse reaction.

The only negative thing ive ever really noticed is if I take it too frequently it messes with my moods.

Maybe a little nausea if you get some unexpectedly strong leaf.

Seems pretty benign as long as you don't abuse it.


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