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Holland is starting to become a Cuntry.
    #26380532 - 12/14/19 03:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

They are eroding the cannabis tolerance policy
They are eroding the sale of shrooms
They are raping the concept of universal health care
They refuse to modernize the racial stereotype of Black Pete
They are working to illegalize the New Years fireworks tradition
We are getting warnings that national policies violate refugee human rights
We mass-import chemical waste, mix it with fuel oil & fuel ships with it.
We're a corporate tax haven and a resident's taxation hell.
Tourists start avoiding Amsterdam cause the fun has died there.


What. The. Fuck.

Personally my main blame is that the average age in my cuntry is as high as 46. Its become a country of OLD PEOPLE, and this in the sense of Get Off My Lawn old and not as in community elder wisdom.

The tolerance for things young and young-minded people appreciate is dying.
The endgame of greed at the expense of everyone else is taking over.

Its truly disgusting.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26380538 - 12/14/19 03:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, for realz?

Thats really surprizing and downright sad. I wonder why thats happening.....

A damn shame :nonono:


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Asante]
    #26380552 - 12/14/19 04:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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They refuse to modernize the racial stereotype of Black Pete
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Here's a question...
why aren't Santa's helpers elves?
recognize that the existing stereotyped helper is from colonial periods
but when Santa and the elves became popularized in other areas (or was this just English influenced traditions?)
why did Holland go another way

got something against elves?


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26380560 - 12/14/19 04:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Actually Santa Claus is derivative of Sinterklaas and it was considered inappropriate to use the Black Pete figure so they went with Elves.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Asante] * 3
    #26380562 - 12/14/19 04:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I know, but the problems are becoming kind of significant, so it is only logical that something's gotta give. You can debate which solutions would be the most appropriate, sensible and bearable, but the fact that things are changing is inevitable in my view.

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They are eroding the cannabis tolerance policy



Given that the cannabis industry is basically one of organized and increasingly violent crime revolving around massive flows of currency, it's plain to see that the current approach has reached its limits. Repression? Legalization? It's not clear what would be an appropriate solution. The tendency towards a more repressive policy does not seem appealing to me either, but the criminal landscape as you are undoubtedly also aware of does ask for some kind of sanitation approach.

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They are eroding the sale of shrooms



Significantly? I mean, has the situation changed much over the past decade or so? It doesn't seem like a particular spearhead of policy at this point. The problems surrounding stuff like GHB and nitrous are receiving a lot more attention, and understandably so as they are currently triggering memories of the heroin epidemic of the 1980s in terms of social and health problems accruing from irresponsible use.

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They are raping the concept of universal health care



As you pointed out, the population is aging on average. Add to that the increasing availability of more complex (and expensive) treatments, turning previously relatively quickly lethal ailments into long-term disease with sometimes fairly 'good' chances of survival, the R&D and market dynamics crisis we are seeing concerning pharmaceuticals and bureaucratic pressure on the health sector (largely accruing from decreasing risk and uncertainty acceptance of our society at large), it is plain to see that costs are rising to unsustainable levels. If you consume too much of something that is becoming more and more costly, it follows that you reach the limits of what is feasible at some point. The logical response of passing the costs to the individual user is not surprising, and in the end is not very different from bearing the same costs collectively; it's a distribution choice. But the fundamental solution is not even in sight.

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They refuse to modernize the racial stereotype of Black Pete



I think you're being pessimistic at this point. Twenty years ago, it simply wasn't up for discussion. A decade ago, there was barely a debate about it, but there was a start. Currently, it's an annually recurring issue with increasing numbers of people choosing not to include this particular piece of heritage in their festivities, discussing with their kids the background and ethical issues related to it. And yes, there's of course also opposition to this change, but keep in mind that this opposition was the de facto default view only a few years ago, and it has now become a viewpoint that some feel need to be defended in the face of inevitable change. If you feel that this change is not happening fast enough, then I understand what you say, but at a societal level, there is no 'refusal' to change - quite the opposite. But it's an evolutionary change process instead of an overnight revolution.

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They are working to illegalize the New Years fireworks tradition



Again, in the face of environmental, safety and criminal issues, it's kind of logical that we're starting to figure out where to draw the line. This tradition has seen quite widespread growth over the past 40 years or so and I think we've come to the point where you need to debate to what extent you really want to continue this. Only a few years ago, permissible explosive charges in consumer fireworks were stretched significantly to keep up and to try and put a limit to illegal distribution. And yet, in the city you live in, you must have noticed that it can get a little noisy in December at times. I mean, the kind of explosions we get on a daily basis all across town are not really something that fit in an urban environment unless it's a war zone. So again, the fact that there's a debate about how far we should take things isn't exactly surprising.

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We are getting warnings that national policies violate refugee human rights



I think neither you or I are quite happy with how refugees are being treated, as at a human level, we'd wish the best for every individual regardless of background, nationality etc. But here again, given developments over the past 30 years or so, I think it's kind of inescapable that the challenge of dealing with refugee flows has become significantly larger and it's not necessarily straightforward to make everyone happy, including elements in our society who are not very happy to see more strangers appear. Can we do better? I surely hope so.

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We mass-import chemical waste, mix it with fuel oil & fuel ships with it.



And that certainly needs to be brought to public scrutiny in order to improve the situation. Again, taking a historical perspective, I'm not sure if I agree that we're going down the drain in this sense. Was the chemical waste situation that much better in, say, the 1980s?

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We're a corporate tax haven and a resident's taxation hell.



Well, you made an argument for better healthcare - how are you going to pay for it if you don't want individuals to bear the brunt of their own health issues? It's kind of easy to want all the nice things, but not wanting to pay for it. And yes, the corporate tax haven thing has gotten out of hand, it's not necessarily helping our economy, and the problem has become quite visible as well with baby steps being taken to put a stop to it. Again, no overnight change is to be expected, but the whole issue of CSR is increasingly getting attention across society.

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Tourists start avoiding Amsterdam cause the fun has died there.



And why is that? Because the tourist pressure has simply run out of hand. The city has become virtually uninhabitable if you ask me (and my friends and family who try to despite the odds being against middle-income people inhabiting this part of the country). There's only so many tourists a place can absorb before it gets uncomfortable for all involved, and Amsterdam is no different in that sense than Venice, Rome, Barcelona and a host of other places. It's just a pretty small place if you think about it. And it doesn't help that still, many of those tourists are attracted by its hedonistic reputation, while in reality, it just creates a massive nuisance. Honestly, take a walk through Vondelpark on any given day of the week and you'll be in for a very depressing experience.

All of your complaints are certainly relevant, but it's kind of easy to blame it on 'them' (whoever the fuck they are), holding 'greed' responsible etc. Any society evolves, and this change brings challenges. You named a few, and you're right about them, but I very much dislike your implication that this is somehow not about you. You are as much part of this society as anyone else. You're part of the problem, whether you like it or not, as we all are. Do you want to be part of the solution as well, or are you satisfied just whining about it?


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: koraks]
    #26380578 - 12/14/19 04:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i blame corporate interest


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: koraks]
    #26380592 - 12/14/19 04:50 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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They are eroding the cannabis tolerance policy



Given that the cannabis industry is basically one of organized and increasingly violent crime revolving around massive flows of currency, it's plain to see that the current approach has reached its limits. Repression? Legalization? It's not clear what would be an appropriate solution. The tendency towards a more repressive policy does not seem appealing to me either, but the criminal landscape as you are undoubtedly also aware of does ask for some kind of sanitation approach.






Very obviously to us and growing parts of the world, complete legalization is the answer. The only reason crime took a straglehold over the cannabis trade was because it was only halfcocked legalization. We need to go all out, like the other states and nations in the legalization wave.


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They are eroding the sale of shrooms



Significantly? I mean, has the situation changed much over the past decade or so? It doesn't seem like a particular spearhead of policy at this point. The problems surrounding stuff like GHB and nitrous are receiving a lot more attention, and understandably so as they are currently triggering memories of the heroin epidemic of the 1980s in terms of social and health problems accruing from irresponsible use.
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I still regret that.


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They are working to illegalize the New Years fireworks tradition



Again, in the face of environmental, safety and criminal issues, it's kind of logical that we're starting to figure out where to draw the line. This tradition has seen quite widespread growth over the past 40 years or so and I think we've come to the point where you need to debate to what extent you really want to continue this. Only a few years ago, permissible explosive charges in consumer fireworks were stretched significantly to keep up and to try and put a limit to illegal distribution. And yet, in the city you live in, you must have noticed that it can get a little noisy in December at times. I mean, the kind of explosions we get on a daily basis all across town are not really something that fit in an urban environment unless it's a war zone. So again, the fact that there's a debate about how far we should take things isn't exactly surprising.





Fireworks are a discharge of pent up energies, both on the chemical level and on a societyal level. Prohibit fireworks and society will become more of a powder keg because we are no longer setting it off anymore.

I'm religious about being pro-fireworks, From the clap of hands to the Big Bang, God is a Pyrotechnician and wants us to rejoice in the cosmic fireworks and actively, alchemistically, take part in them.

Pointless to argue this with me :laugh: 


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All of your complaints are certainly relevant, but it's kind of easy to blame it on 'them' (whoever the fuck they are)




I'm not holding an archetypal "them" responsible, instead I point at the fact that the average age in our country has gotten to 46, the age in which your kids, if any, have left the house.

There is an increasing disconnect between the needs of the youth and the interests of old people, and since old people run the show, the youth are increasingly screwed in our country. Their lives are increasingly sanitized, regulated and if they resist, medicated and criminalized.

IT SUCKS.

And people keep on listening to that stupid media brainwash that ligfhts more fires than extinguishes them -- we have it so good that we're turning into monsters.

The country is going off the rails, just like in the US, just like friggin everywhere.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #26380596 - 12/14/19 04:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What exactly about the shrooms? Are they going to ban truffles, and or psilo grow kits?
Shrooms have been banned for more than a decade already, but they still sell truffles and grow kits. That's why I ask..

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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26380626 - 12/14/19 05:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Pointless to argue this with me



Oh I get your point, don't worry. I like bangs and flashes as much as you do I think :wink: But you know, how far should we take it, that's the question.

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What exactly about the shrooms? Are they going to ban truffles, and or psilo grow kits?
Shrooms have been banned for more than a decade already, but they still sell truffles and grow kits. That's why I ask..

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Truffles are only quasi-legal due to a loophole in the legislation that was passed >10 years ago. It was not an intentional exclusion. Same for the grow kits.
I'm not too worried about psilo becoming unavailable to those who desire to do something with it. As long as one can walk into a suitable field in late autumn or winter and pick to their heart's content, it's not much of an issue.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Asante]
    #26380652 - 12/14/19 05:26 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Calling the Netherlands 'Holland' is like calling America 'New England', change my mind.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26380753 - 12/14/19 07:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Calling the Netherlands 'Holland' is like calling America 'New England', change my mind.




Some foreigners call Americans "Yankees" even if they dont live in New York :shrug:


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26380755 - 12/14/19 07:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It originated as a term just to refer to americans. It wasnt till the civil war that southerners adopted it t refer to northerners from new england. It never meant  new yorkers, that's just the name of a baseball team there, dude lol. To the whole world, yankee means american, as it were meant to be.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26380783 - 12/14/19 07:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

cause america used to only be new york when we were called yankees


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: cannabinated]
    #26380945 - 12/14/19 09:06 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Seems where America goes so goes the free world.  America according to old timers is not legalizing anything.  They are reigning in control measures ie laws.

Watchng some SOMA videos, he didn't look happy either.  For some reason far right-ism is spreading across the fre world, making it less free.


Europe went through this in the past.  It cost millions of lives.  Right wingers try to distance themselves by sayig Nazi's were left wingers cause 'socialism' when that is not true.  Right wingers constantly prop themselves up by degrading special programs that benefit all of us.

Nationalism is also a symptom.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #26380952 - 12/14/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone who falls into the “left/right” mind frame is the problem.  They’re all slaves and don’t even know it.  Worship your tv fools, just sit back and let it do all the thinking for you.  Find a channel that tells you what you want to hear! :awesomenod:


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26380960 - 12/14/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That is not productive and will go nowhere good.

Language is made up, all of it.  Should we just speak gibberish?


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26380981 - 12/14/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Why so pessimistic Asante? Shrooms sales have been illegal since 2009. There's been zero motion in the cannabis policy. Tolerance, topless sunbathing and black Pete are dying together. This is just what we get for giving up our country to the EU. As Rammstein says: We're all living in America.. It's wunderbar

But all jokes aside, we're just moving along with this global trend that was started after domestic terrorists blew up the WTC with thermite. This is the plan and 'they' can't have a little nation full of subversive wiseguys


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Tweeq]
    #26380999 - 12/14/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Lol, rust is 'thermite'.

They didn't need to do more than ignore intel.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26381007 - 12/14/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol, rust is 'thermite'.

They didn't need to do more than ignore intel.




Lol yes true. The occasion was however undeniably the kickstart of what is so eloquently described by the op.


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Re: Holland is starting to become a Cuntry. [Re: Tweeq]
    #26381022 - 12/14/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I fail to see the connection, however not rejecting the current state of affairs.


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