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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26380000 - 12/13/19 07:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Awe I left for 2 hours and thread death :frown: Anon 3's silly little checker move made it seem like I was beaten.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26380001 - 12/13/19 07:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've known people like OP
They always think no one knows they are a complete and total liar but in reality, everyone knows they are full of shit and a total joke.  Most people will just play along when they know there is no sense in calling someone on their bullshit

If you feel good about trying so hard to not be an asshole to people, then think about all the pedophiles and serial killers that "try so hard" to resist their urges but still act on their impulses sooner or later...you don't see anyone giving those guys pats on the back for their efforts
:jonespalm:


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26380006 - 12/13/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I get that but I'm finding that my friends and family think im a manipulator now.... but was nice back then. So how do you explain that shit?


They legit dont think I was a liar.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26380015 - 12/13/19 07:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe they are stupid?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26380017 - 12/13/19 07:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So if someone is tricked by someone they are stupid? Dont high IQ people regularly get tricked with some of the most basic street tricks? Thats like a thing. "Nerds".


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26380038 - 12/13/19 07:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

And again its about the fact that they used to say nothing about lies. And now that I'm as honest as I can physically be.... like to an insane degree.... I regularly am accused of manipulating.

Its like people need a clean cut version of something to be told to them. Something that has been formed in such a way as to remove suspicion. Real shit isnt like that so it can be misinterpreted.


Or maybe everyone assumes a layer of deception... and if youre lying they remove the layer to the truth... if youre telling the truth they assume youre lying.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26380759 - 12/14/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe try and mix it up. It sounds like you're bored with being nice, and you were entertained by being manipulative. Be nice to people but find a way to manipulate people into doing nice things. Who knows? Manipulating people negatively is not good morally or "spiritually." The reason you are perceived as a liar now is probably because you told everyone you used to lie to them to trick them. I read your first post and instantly didn't trust the rest of what you were posting out of instinct. I'm not saying you are lying but the baseline of trust I give to someone that I've never met is lower for you because you've flat out said you enjoyed and liked lying. Just be yourself and see what happens, why do you have to manipulate people for negative outcomes?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #26394602 - 12/21/19 08:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
Maybe try and mix it up. It sounds like you're bored with being nice, and you were entertained by being manipulative. Be nice to people but find a way to manipulate people into doing nice things. Who knows? Manipulating people negatively is not good morally or "spiritually." The reason you are perceived as a liar now is probably because you told everyone you used to lie to them to trick them. I read your first post and instantly didn't trust the rest of what you were posting out of instinct. I'm not saying you are lying but the baseline of trust I give to someone that I've never met is lower for you because you've flat out said you enjoyed and liked lying. Just be yourself and see what happens, why do you have to manipulate people for negative outcomes?




Yeah this is exactly it lol.

Scenario:
I'm a former manipulator and I need help.
"OMG HES TRYING TO TRICK US! He doesnt need help!"



Its fucking lunatic shit up in here. Why do we even act like lies are uncommon? Why when someone admits to having been a liar they MUST be a psychopath or sociopath? Because lying is SUPER rare right ? lol get real.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26394854 - 12/22/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Why when someone admits to having been a liar they MUST be a psychopath or sociopath? Because lying is SUPER rare right ? lol get real.



There's a lot more than lying involved here:

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I used to lie. Like a lot. I used to play every single person I met like puppets and could get anything I wanted out of them.



Nice spot of projection here too:

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Its fucking lunatic shit up in here. Why do we even act like lies are uncommon?



What's clear from this thread is that you're lying to yourself first and foremost. I hope you seek help to uncover your delusions.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26394884 - 12/22/19 01:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You clearly checked out from this conversation.

Your only goal is to "win" the convo. You couldnt backtrack if you tried. And projecting? Pot calling the kettle black lol.


I wont be modest. Its manipulation. I dont care if it triggers people like you. All I see in you is a yapping dog taught by society to bark at anything that isnt humble.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26394908 - 12/22/19 02:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395095 - 12/22/19 07:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Actually psycholathy is pretty common.  They are usually well liked.  It's just not great humanity.


If you want to keep being a scumbag you can even be that and a hero.  Ton's of military, police and surgeons are sociopaths.

But I think you'll probably go to prison for a long time.  For every hustler, there's on that knows more games.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26395129 - 12/22/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Come out of the "I hate anon 1" path for a moment.


Is it not possible that I simply lied and now dont lie? And find myself being accused of lying all the time now when I am not. But before when I lied... no one accused me of lying. Also experiencing less love now that I tell the truth?



I mean this thread is DRIPPING with proof of that lol. How many lies do you think I've told in this thread? 50? And yet I've told 0.

I REALLY feel like a large percentage of people lie. Like.... a lot. 70 percent? And people are used to being lied to. Have these packaged "truths" that feel good to hear. And when someone comes around and speaks with no filter.... suspicion is aroused.


I would KILL to know what people think. KILL to know how many of us lie. KILL to know the REAL truth. (maybe not actually kill lol)


If there was a button that would stop all lies.... I'd press it in an instant. And I've thought through the consequences of such a button press.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395177 - 12/22/19 08:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Didn't you accuse me of pulling a strawman argument up above? And now look here you are doing the exact same thing by trying to refocus on lies and how much other people tell them...

Can't say I'm at all surprised.

Fact of the matter is, you came out the gates on this subject arrogant and boastful about how you used to be able to manipulate and bend anyone to your will. You repeated this sentiment many times over. This makes you a distinctly unlikable person to anyone high in moral fiber.

Do you want a pat on the back that you've now stopped lying? Don't you think that most of us have to go through the same challenges to be good people? Why do you think you deserve recognition for not being a shitbag?

FWIW; I am not basing any of my feelings towards you on your past actions. Nobody is beyond redemption, IMO. But right here and now, over the days this thread has been running, all your input points to the fact that you're a shitty human NOW.

I don't want to win. I'd rather you did, cause you've got a lot that needs winning. You came here for feedback and here it is. I'm sorry if you don't like it.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26395186 - 12/22/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Most people don't tell lies.  They probably do reason beyond their full scope of understanding which is like a lie.

Reasoning is like a lie but it's not a bold lie all the time.  I suspect op is trying to reason his way into the same bad behaviour that the world appears to thrive doing.  Yet the world pays a price for reasoning.

Reasoning is not the whole truth.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26395216 - 12/22/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So Anon 3 thinks everyone goes through what I went through..... Anon 2 thinks im a rare breed. WHO TO BELIEVE!


To anon 3: I believe whole-heartedly that modesty is bad. In every single way that it manifests itself. It is manipulation. I will state exactly how good I am at things that I am good at. And if I am proven wrong.... I will learn from that mistake and become better. It REALLY is that simple.

To anon 2: I think 2 things.... 1.... you could not know how many people lie. And 2... I think you are naive to think few people lie. Like... direct over-inflation of the truth to sound better. I think many of them even believe their lies.



Why is this convo so intensely about whether or not I am a "good person".

I am a human. Everything I do is a direct result of the chemistry in my brain and the environment in which I have existed. Same as both of you. How can you even "dislike" me. You should see the people I work with lol. I wonder to what degree you both are shielded from harsh realities of life that you can think of me as such a nuisance. A guy I dealt with last night had a Pez dispenser style finger almost-removal because he tried to stab his cousin over a can of beer. I think that guy is a victim to circumstance... not a sociopath lol.


What is that obi-wan quote? Only a sith deals in absolutes? Lol.





I hate my circumstance.... but.... there is a real joy in 100 percent truth. I dont need memory much for instance. I just say stories or events as they happened and everything I say lines up. That is really quite something! Though... my memory has faded and I wonder if its because I'm not holding up the spider webs of lies that I used to hold.





I have been told by some people irl... that everyone goes through this. That I am "growing up". And this is my first taste of paranoia/conscience/empathy. I dont know how to argue that that isnt accurate. A lot of the other arguments are easy to defend.


Louis C K has a good skit about smoking weed and getting paranoid. It really describes the way I interact. "Look at person 1 count to 5 now go left and look at person 2 count to 5 now randomize and go right look at person 3 count to 5." and "The way I am standing is weird no one stands like this! put your hands in your pockets!"


Before I had 0 cares and could handle every interaction very well. I had a really good grasp on the back and forth and was ready 5 seconds before the other person finished talking. I never had doubts, regrets, or these cringe moments I seem to be plagued by.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395222 - 12/22/19 09:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
So Anon 3 thinks everyone goes through what I went through.



No, I think that 'growing up' is what yourself and others go through. I'm pretty amazed you could be so thick as to suspect I think everyone goes through the same things you have. I thought you were amazing at humans?

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
To anon 3: I believe whole-heartedly that modesty is bad. In every single way that it manifests itself. It is manipulation. I will state exactly how good I am at things that I am good at. And if I am proven wrong.... I will learn from that mistake and become better. It REALLY is that simple.



OK so why your value judgement that modesty is bad?

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I am a human. Everything I do is a direct result of the chemistry in my brain and the environment in which I have existed. Same as both of you. How can you even "dislike" me.



No, you're a direct result of your DECISIONS and your ACTIONS. Most humans had unfavourable upbringings and environments, and for many they were downright destructive. I've known many whose sufferings have been intense, but most manage to be good people nonetheless.

There comes a point where one has to shoulder the entire responsibility for who they are. Have you not come to this point yet?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26395252 - 12/22/19 09:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
So Anon 3 thinks everyone goes through what I went through.



No, I think that 'growing up' is what yourself and others go through. I'm pretty amazed you could be so thick as to suspect I think everyone goes through the same things you have. I thought you were amazing at humans?

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
To anon 3: I believe whole-heartedly that modesty is bad. In every single way that it manifests itself. It is manipulation. I will state exactly how good I am at things that I am good at. And if I am proven wrong.... I will learn from that mistake and become better. It REALLY is that simple.



OK so why your value judgement that modesty is bad?

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I am a human. Everything I do is a direct result of the chemistry in my brain and the environment in which I have existed. Same as both of you. How can you even "dislike" me.



No, you're a direct result of your DECISIONS and your ACTIONS. Most humans had unfavourable upbringings and environments, and for many they were downright destructive. I've known many whose sufferings have been intense, but most manage to be good people nonetheless.

There comes a point where one has to shoulder the entire responsibility for who they are. Have you not come to this point yet?





So change "everyone does it" to "its common" if that satisfies you. The point is one of you thinks its common and one of you thinks its rare lol.


I speak of modesty being bad because thats what I believe. I act according to that belief. And you keep bringing up that I'm arrogant. I am literally choosing to act this way for self improvement and I've said this over and over. It is a style of belief I got from Ayn Rand.



And how can you possibly believe our decisions exist beyond our environment? Lol. What do you think decisions are? Magic? Your anecdotal evidence that some people you know went through bad stuff and now are good people.... how can you think that means anything? Lol.

We are but mirrors reflecting our environment. I wasn't aware I was talking with someone that believes decisions are.... what? Just follow your thoughts through and it becomes obvious. What are decisions to you? Lol. "Me" and "my personality" are decisions? How did I come to those decisions? God?



I dunno man all the evidence points to you not being very bright. Or if not that.... simply anti-me and grasping at straws to prove that bias.


Let me ask you this.... if Einstein came back from the dead and traded places with me halfway through this sentence and started typing to you..... would you recognize it? Or would you continue to think I am falsely arrogant?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395292 - 12/22/19 09:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Einstein was very modest.

You seem to be a strait arrogant sociopath.  Perhaps frontal lobe damage.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26395302 - 12/22/19 10:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Einstein was very modest.

You seem to be a strait arrogant sociopath.  Perhaps frontal lobe damage.




So if Einstein was typing to you right now... you would view me as modest then? You wouldnt continue to find ways to see me as arrogant?


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