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Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? 1
#26379983 - 12/13/19 06:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#26379991 - 12/13/19 06:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?
I've always thought wet mushrooms gave me a more intense high. It's almost as if the visuals are better. Everything else is the same really.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: CypressRage]
#26380002 - 12/13/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've explianed this many times.
"psilocybin" does not break down easily
"psilocin does break down easily
Fresh shroons have more psilocin. But psilocin and psilocybin ratios vary.
Psilocin does not need broken down by the liver like psilocybin does. Thus it is active quicker.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#26380009 - 12/13/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blue_Lux said: I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?
If dried properly, loss of potency is minimal. I have found it’s easier to dose with dried vs fresh
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#26380123 - 12/13/19 08:21 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fresh shrooms have a higher Psilocin content as well as other organic actives as well.
So yes, fresh is more potent. Its not double the strenght thou, but fresh is definitely more potent than dried when weight is carefully considered.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26380156 - 12/13/19 08:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I have freshly picked wet mushrooms, then is it better to dose after 1 day of drying started immediately? I’ve been drying these mushrooms for 4 hours I put them behind the fan 15 minutes after picking them from a paper bag and 2 paper towels. My past experience with not drying them is the shrooms turning into a pile of goo, so drying them is completely different
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#26380286 - 12/13/19 10:18 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pick em off eat em fresh
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#26380435 - 12/14/19 12:54 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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My perception is that there's a quality difference rather than a strength difference. Fresh mushrooms have produced a "smoother," slightly more euphoric experience with stronger visuals. For example, specifically addressing visuals, the only time I've ever seen eye patterns on objects / people was when I had eaten fresh mushrooms. Those times I ate less than other times with dry of the same variety.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Rangiku]
#26380447 - 12/14/19 01:03 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like to dry shrooms using a desk lamp with an incandescent bulb. But of course the most popular way is using a dehydrator. Don't use just a fan, you need warm heat, between 100F and 280F. An electric fan heater is a decent method for drying.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26380462 - 12/14/19 01:22 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I like to dry shrooms using a desk lamp with an incandescent bulb. But of course the most popular way is using a dehydrator. Don't use just a fan, you need warm heat, between 100F and 280F. An electric fan heater is a decent method for drying.
I never use heat, even given the plethora of advice that says gentle heat doesn’t degrade the shrooms. So I always use a fan, directed to the side of the shrooms, to dry them gently over a four or five day period in the dark. I then transfer them to a tight sealed container with trays of silica gel underneath the shrooms, and a humidity meter. This brings the humidity down to about 10% at which point the shrooms are cracker dry. I then transfer them to sealed bags with silica gel packets, to the freezer. I find the potency does not reduce, even after 3 years in the freezer. I guess they’d stay strong longer, it’s just I only started growing three years ago,so have no other data!
Hope this helps, DJ Ed
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] 4
#26380595 - 12/14/19 04:51 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drying without heat is bad for potency.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26380676 - 12/14/19 05:41 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Drying without heat is bad for potency.
Ive got some more research to do the. Checking out various potency / drying threads on the shroomery, I’ve picked up the following 2 common bits of advice:
- oxidation, I.e. exposure to air, degrades potency
- heat (over 120F) degrades potency
I have hanging screens that can handle 3 monotub flushes, plenty for me! They’re out in open air for four or five days, then in a sealed container with shed loads of desiccant gel for a couple more days. Then transferred to sealed bags with desiccant pouch in each, then frozen.
So I suppose what I should ask, if you could help out please, is: how much oxidation would occur in four or five days? If I were to splash out on a dehydrator or something that dries them with warm air, how much difference in potency could I notice?
Thank you in advance, DJ Ed
Edited by DJ Ed (12/14/19 05:52 AM)
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26380703 - 12/14/19 06:13 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said:
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bodhisatta said: Drying without heat is bad for potency.
Ive got some more research to do the. Checking out various potency / drying threads on the shroomery, I’ve picked up the following 2 common bits of advice:
- oxidation, I.e. exposure to air, degrades potency
- heat (over 120F) degrades potency
I have hanging screens that can handle 3 monotub flushes, plenty for me! They’re out in open air for four or five days, then in a sealed container with shed loads of desiccant gel for a couple more days. Then transferred to sealed bags with desiccant pouch in each, then frozen.
So I suppose what I should ask, if you could help out please, is: how much oxidation would occur in four or five days? If I were to splash out on a dehydrator or something that dries them with warm air, how much difference in potency could I notice?
Thank you in advance, DJ Ed
Mhhh.. where did you hear about 125f degrading potency? If anything.. it's the opposite. But maybe it was an old thread or something I dry my mushrooms @ 165ffor about 8/12 hours.. depending on the size of the mushrooms and the amount. Never had an issue with potency loss.
Also.. when you make mushroom tea.. boiling water sits at 212f. But a lot of us swear by tea. And tea is one of the strongest ways you can consume mushrooms!
Get yourself a dehydrator my friend!
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Yeah mate it was a six year old thread! And yeah I only ever have tea; I never boil, I simmer, so I suppose that’s still about 160 - 170F, but only for 20 minutes.
There has to be a correlation then between temperature reached and duration. Dry at: high heat short duration, or low / no heat and long duration. Where’s our scientist friends who could probably quite easily test for this. It would be fascinating to know.
I suppose I could test at home, I.e. dry half a monotub flush with heat and half without. My problem is multi-spore grows which are inconsistent in potency across the same flush. Have never managed to create a single spore grow using Petri dish samples, they always contaminate 😫. How could you know for sure whether your drying method was efficient, or the batch of shrooms you dried was really potent?
I’m an engineer, so can’t help it! I’ll set something up in a couple of months and report back with any findings, however unscientific!
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] 5
#26380769 - 12/14/19 07:20 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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The oxidation of actives is enzymatic. The enzymes only work when the tissue is still wet or hasn't been heated enough to denature them. Air itself poses nearly zero threat to potency.
When people air dry with no heat even still the mushrooms end up strong only goes to show how resilient the actives are. Despite the slow drying.
You can deep fry magic mushrooms in 425F oil. You can bake them on a pizza at 425F You can boil them an hour. You can pressure cook them.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26380819 - 12/14/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: The oxidation of actives is enzymatic. The enzymes only work when the tissue is still wet or hasn't been heated enough to denature them. Air itself poses nearly zero threat to potency.
When people air dry with no heat even still the mushrooms end up strong only goes to show how resilient the actives are. Despite the slow drying.
You can deep fry magic mushrooms in 425F oil. You can bake them on a pizza at 425F You can boil them an hour. You can pressure cook them.
Thank you, brother 👊🏻
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26380835 - 12/14/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I switched mine over to a space heater. Got drier so the fan started to blow them back. Once I dried them on rocks in sunlight and I read that was bad for them. One cube I had turned half the size in 3 hours from sunlight. First drying I did was with a space heater. I had tried the fan. Air doesn’t effect potency but probably transfer moisture and ruin a dry. When I started out finding big hauls I didn’t know much but what species and the lookalikes in the are. I had some mushrooms turn into a gooey liquid and I had left some under a tree for 3 days. Learned about all that when Instarted to find more than I was comfortable eating at once. Still should get a dehydrator, but I’m thinking space and having to dissect the stipes from the caps for drying space. Don’t you like to keep them in tact? Maybe a way around that?
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Rangiku]
#26381125 - 12/14/19 11:05 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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If u find a bunch of shrooms, i highly recommend a dehydrator.
Sun drying on rocks should be fine. I dont think UV rays really break down the actives. If u sun dry, i think it would be useful if u use some tin foil underneath them instead of rocks. Or u could get crafty and build a Solar Oven for your mushrooms. Free drying energy!
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26381154 - 12/14/19 11:26 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sundried some voids in a strainer once, they caught on fire from the sun spots lol
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26381887 - 12/14/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to actually store them in a drawer of my night table and they would last but they couldn’t just still there in abundance. Just left inside by the window and they turn to goo or of left outside in the shade they are a puddle of spores especially in a zip lock with air holes . Even if it rains One way of preserving is to make tea and freeze it right away
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