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Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? * 1
    #26379983 - 12/13/19 06:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26379991 - 12/13/19 06:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?



I've always thought wet mushrooms gave me a more intense high. It's almost as if the visuals are better. Everything else is the same really.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: CypressRage]
    #26380002 - 12/13/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've explianed this many times.



"psilocybin" does not break down easily



"psilocin does break down easily

Fresh shroons have more psilocin.  But psilocin and psilocybin ratios vary.

Psilocin does not need broken down by the liver like psilocybin does.  Thus it is active quicker.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26380009 - 12/13/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?




If dried properly, loss of potency is minimal. I have found it’s easier to dose with dried vs fresh


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26380123 - 12/13/19 08:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fresh shrooms have a higher Psilocin content as well as other organic actives as well.

So yes, fresh is more potent. Its not double the strenght thou, but fresh is definitely more potent than dried when weight is carefully considered.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26380156 - 12/13/19 08:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If I have freshly picked wet mushrooms, then is it better to dose after 1 day of drying started immediately? I’ve been drying these mushrooms for 4 hours I put them behind the fan 15 minutes after picking them from a paper bag and 2 paper towels. My past experience with not drying them is the shrooms turning into a pile of goo, so drying them is completely different


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26380286 - 12/13/19 10:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Pick em off eat em fresh


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26380435 - 12/14/19 12:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My perception is that there's a quality difference rather than a strength difference. Fresh mushrooms have produced a "smoother," slightly more euphoric experience with stronger visuals. For example, specifically addressing visuals, the only time I've ever seen eye patterns on objects / people was when I had eaten fresh mushrooms. Those times I ate less than other times with dry of the same variety.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Rangiku]
    #26380447 - 12/14/19 01:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I like to dry shrooms using a desk lamp with an incandescent bulb. But of course the most popular way is using a dehydrator. Don't use just a fan, you need warm heat, between 100F and 280F. An electric fan heater is a decent method for drying.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26380462 - 12/14/19 01:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I like to dry shrooms using a desk lamp with an incandescent bulb. But of course the most popular way is using a dehydrator. Don't use just a fan, you need warm heat, between 100F and 280F. An electric fan heater is a decent method for drying.




I never use heat, even given the plethora of advice that says gentle heat doesn’t degrade the shrooms. So I always use a fan, directed to the side of the shrooms, to dry them gently over a four or five day period in the dark. I then transfer them to a tight sealed container with trays of silica gel underneath the shrooms, and a humidity meter. This brings the humidity down to about 10% at which point the shrooms are cracker dry. I then transfer them to sealed bags with silica gel packets, to the freezer. I find the potency does not reduce, even after 3 years in the freezer. I guess they’d stay strong longer, it’s just I only started growing three years ago,so have no other data!

Hope this helps,
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] * 4
    #26380595 - 12/14/19 04:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Drying without heat is bad for potency.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26380676 - 12/14/19 05:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Drying without heat is bad for potency.




Ive got some more research to do the. Checking out various potency / drying threads on the shroomery, I’ve picked up the following 2 common bits of advice:

  • oxidation, I.e. exposure to air, degrades potency
  • heat (over 120F) degrades potency


I have hanging screens that can handle 3 monotub flushes, plenty for me! They’re out in open air for four or five days, then in a sealed container with shed loads of desiccant gel for a couple more days. Then transferred to sealed bags with desiccant pouch in each, then frozen.

So I suppose what I should ask, if you could help out please, is: how much oxidation would occur in four or five days? If I were to splash out on a dehydrator or something that dries them with warm air, how much difference in potency could I notice?

Thank you in advance,
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26380703 - 12/14/19 06:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Drying without heat is bad for potency.




Ive got some more research to do the. Checking out various potency / drying threads on the shroomery, I’ve picked up the following 2 common bits of advice:

  • oxidation, I.e. exposure to air, degrades potency
  • heat (over 120F) degrades potency


I have hanging screens that can handle 3 monotub flushes, plenty for me! They’re out in open air for four or five days, then in a sealed container with shed loads of desiccant gel for a couple more days. Then transferred to sealed bags with desiccant pouch in each, then frozen.

So I suppose what I should ask, if you could help out please, is: how much oxidation would occur in four or five days? If I were to splash out on a dehydrator or something that dries them with warm air, how much difference in potency could I notice?

Thank you in advance,
DJ Ed



Mhhh.. where did you hear about 125f degrading potency? If anything.. it's the opposite. But maybe it was an old thread or something  I dry my mushrooms @ 165ffor about 8/12 hours.. depending on the size of the mushrooms and the amount. Never had an issue with potency loss.

Also.. when you make mushroom tea.. boiling water sits at 212f. But a lot of us swear by tea. And tea is one of the strongest ways you can consume mushrooms!

Get yourself a dehydrator my friend!


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26380733 - 12/14/19 06:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah mate it was a six year old thread! And yeah I only ever have tea; I never boil, I simmer, so I suppose that’s still about 160 - 170F, but only for 20 minutes.

There has to be a correlation then between temperature reached and duration. Dry at: high heat short duration, or low / no heat and long duration. Where’s our scientist friends who could probably quite easily test for this. It would be fascinating to know.

I suppose I could test at home, I.e. dry half a monotub flush with heat and half without. My problem is multi-spore grows which are inconsistent in potency across the same flush. Have never managed to create a single spore grow using Petri dish samples, they always contaminate 😫. How could you know for sure whether your drying method was efficient, or the batch of shrooms you dried was really potent?

I’m an engineer, so can’t help it! I’ll set something up in a couple of months and report back with any findings, however unscientific!

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] * 5
    #26380769 - 12/14/19 07:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The oxidation of actives is enzymatic. The enzymes only work when the tissue is still wet or hasn't been heated enough to denature them. Air itself poses nearly zero threat to potency.

When people air dry with no heat even still the mushrooms end up strong only goes to show how resilient the actives are. Despite the slow drying.

You can deep fry magic mushrooms in 425F oil.
You can bake them on a pizza at 425F
You can boil them an hour.
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26380819 - 12/14/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The oxidation of actives is enzymatic. The enzymes only work when the tissue is still wet or hasn't been heated enough to denature them. Air itself poses nearly zero threat to potency.

When people air dry with no heat even still the mushrooms end up strong only goes to show how resilient the actives are. Despite the slow drying.

You can deep fry magic mushrooms in 425F oil.
You can bake them on a pizza at 425F
You can boil them an hour.
You can pressure cook them.




Thank you, brother 👊🏻

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26380835 - 12/14/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I switched mine over to a space heater.  Got drier so the fan started to blow them back.  Once I dried them on rocks in sunlight and I read that was bad for them.  One cube I had turned half the size in 3 hours from sunlight. First drying I did was with a space heater.  I had tried the fan.  Air doesn’t effect potency but probably transfer moisture and ruin a dry.  When I started out finding big hauls I didn’t know much but what species and the lookalikes in the are.  I had some mushrooms turn into a gooey liquid and I had left some under a tree for 3 days.  Learned about all that when Instarted to find more than I was comfortable eating at once. Still should get a dehydrator, but I’m thinking space and having to dissect the stipes from the caps for drying space.  Don’t you like to keep them in tact?  Maybe a way around that?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Rangiku]
    #26381125 - 12/14/19 11:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If u find a bunch of shrooms, i highly recommend a dehydrator.

Sun drying on rocks should be fine. I dont think UV rays really break down the actives. If u sun dry, i think it would be useful if u use some tin foil underneath them instead of rocks. Or u could get crafty and build a Solar Oven for your mushrooms. Free drying energy!


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26381154 - 12/14/19 11:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I sundried some voids in a strainer once, they caught on fire from the sun spots lol


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26381887 - 12/14/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I used to actually store them in a drawer of my night table and they would last but they couldn’t just still there in abundance.  Just left inside by the window and they turn to goo or of left outside in the shade they are a puddle of spores especially in a zip lock with air holes .  Even if it rains
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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Rangiku]
    #26382364 - 12/14/19 10:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I am interested in eating wet mushrooms as a comparison of experience/potency, but it seems like a lot to eat if they are like 10x the weight due to water. Advice on getting that much mass of mushrooms down? Or just suck it up and take your medicine? :grin:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: dirtydangus]
    #26382387 - 12/14/19 10:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fresh feels more potent, and more “medicinal” to me. I loved microdosing with a fresh abort or two back when I had access to them.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: dirtydangus]
    #26382528 - 12/15/19 01:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I am interested in eating wet mushrooms as a comparison of experience/potency, but it seems like a lot to eat if they are like 10x the weight due to water. Advice on getting that much mass of mushrooms down? Or just suck it up and take your medicine? :grin:




I never eat shrooms so I cannot advise you on how you eat that many. From posts on here, you’re looking at about 30 minutes to munch through the amount. I always make a Tea:

Soak the broken up dried shrooms with enough lemon to soak. Pour over boiling water. Put on heat and simmer gentlymform20 minutes. Strain the the tea through a dish cloth. Allow to cool and drink. Minimises nausea, faster come up and come down.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26383354 - 12/15/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Fresh mushrooms do feel more potent to me...I also find that they come on quicker, they're more visual, all around there is just a certain "fresh"/clean/clear and super euphoric quality about the trip that isn't there after they've been dried.

Like others have mentioned...this is likely because fresh mushrooms have a higher concentration of psilocin compared to dried.






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I am interested in eating wet mushrooms as a comparison of experience/potency, but it seems like a lot to eat if they are like 10x the weight due to water. Advice on getting that much mass of mushrooms down?...





When they're fresh you're not eating anymore mushrooms than you would when they're dry. They just weigh more because of the water content...The over all weight of the dose is the only difference, and that weight is coming from the water content of the muhsrooms. When you eat mushrooms fresh you're not eating any more than you normally would, you're just consuming more water than you normally would since they're not dry.


Example...I have 10g of fresh mushrooms in my fridge right now, there are 5 small to medium size mushrooms that make up that 10g. When I dry them out, that 10g becomes about 1g, but the amount of mushrooms that I have to eat hasn't changed at all, there are still only 5 small to medium size mushrooms.

Or say one has 30g of fresh mushrooms....and that 30g is composed of 3 large mushrooms...When dried, that 30g becomes about 3g, but there is still only 3 large mushrooms.

So when dosing fresh mushrooms...you're not actually consuming a larger amount/mass of mushrooms, you're just consuming a larger amount of water.





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I never eat shrooms so I cannot advise you on how you eat that many. From posts on here, you’re looking at about 30 minutes to munch through the amount. I always make a Tea:






30 minutes to eat a dose!?

How big of a dose are you taking where it's going to take 30 minutes to eat through it!?

I can't imagine how big a dose would have to be if it's taking someone 30 minutes just to get it down.


And when it comes to fresh mushrooms specifically, they are super easy to chew up and eat compared to dried...I can eat down stupid amounts of fresh mushrooms within just a minute or two.






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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: openmind]
    #26383373 - 12/15/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lolwut just make a tea.. imagine taking 30min to do a line of blow:notamused:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: openmind]
    #26383415 - 12/15/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

To be honest, I don’t know where I’ve got that from? Maybe thinking larger mounts, and thinking also dried.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26383431 - 12/15/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I seen my boy chew up 14g dried all at once lol
It is fun to stagger your dosage; some of my best trips have been just munching on dried caps all day.


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    #26383440 - 12/15/19 02:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I like blasting off so I do my shrooms like I do hard drugs.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26873152 - 08/10/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I never use heat, even given the plethora of advice that says gentle heat doesn’t degrade the shrooms. So I always use a fan, directed to the side of the shrooms, to dry them gently over a four or five day period in the dark. I then transfer them to a tight sealed container with trays of silica gel underneath the shrooms, and a humidity meter. This brings the humidity down to about 10% at which point the shrooms are cracker dry. I then transfer them to sealed bags with silica gel packets, to the freezer. I find the potency does not reduce, even after 3 years in the freezer. I guess they’d stay strong longer, it’s just I only started growing three years ago,so have no other data!

Hope this helps,
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Can you explain what "sealed container" you are using? I a usual jar sufficient or do you need something else?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: MuteUSO]
    #26884267 - 08/17/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

For me, dried put me in the mushroom headspace but the visuals were far more understated than fresh.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: deathlyoctopusman]
    #26885261 - 08/17/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Im dying to try freash. I want to cultivate so bad.

Let me ask is the taste the same between wet and dry?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Cosmic Eye]
    #26885272 - 08/17/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dry has much more intense taste, fresh ones are quite mild compared to them but still unpleasant.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26885487 - 08/17/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My first harvest I ate 45g wet and it was a very positive experience but I can't say whether it was due to my excitement or them being fresh.

  I had a bowl filled with 37g and later about an hour later I ate another 8g off the cakes.

The fresh ones taste like dirt and water. I could munch on them all day.

Dj I suggest trying them fresh, way different than your dry experience.






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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26885496 - 08/17/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Took me about 5 minutes of furious chewing to eat them.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26885503 - 08/17/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

make a damn tea why eat them this isnt the eighties:oldman:

always make tea. always always always.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26885506 - 08/17/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Lol why? I know why for me personally but why do you only go for tea?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
    #26885516 - 08/17/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

extracts all the actives into the water that can be reduce into a manage amount. a single gulp of almost tasteless mushroom water. i dont have to consume gross ass mushroom matter. hits quicker. ime its more intense. doesnt give me the shits. doesnt upset the gut at all. i can eat a full meal after the peak and still be tripping balls.

in the last 3 to 4 years ive easily consumed at least 500 doses. probably more. ranging from .25g to multiple oz for large batches for storage. all tea. all awesome.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26885526 - 08/17/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Meh, Im not bothered by the taste nor do I experience stomach problems. And he'll yeah tea hits like a run away freight train at a carnival.

I have a hypothesis on the nausea. I wonder if being further removed in generations of indigenous people has an effect on nausea. I'm only a handful of generations removed my self.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26885655 - 08/17/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I have heard the psilocin content of psilocybe cubensis is around .06% and psilocybin is .63%. If most of the psilocin is lost during drying, does this mean wet, fresh mushrooms are nearly double the strength per mushroom, ignoring the weight factor?




Your numbers are wrong somehow.  Fresh cubes contain roughly equal amounts of psilocin and psilocybin, but psilocin doesn't survive nearly as well in drying.  A strong tea (about half the weight of the fruits) with 2% citric acid will extract most all of the psilocin (as well as all of the psilocybin) and gives effect like eating them, only with vastly faster comeup and no nausea.

See this chart:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26886886 - 08/18/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fresh is always more potent than dried. If u have a fresh harvest, then definitely do a tea or smoothie with fresh fruits :thumbup:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26886955 - 08/18/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Or make tea with the fresh fruits and freeze the doses so you can enjoy a 'fresh' experience anytime:cool:

I'd still like to see real science on how lemon tek extracts/converts more actives. I think the liquid part of the juice works like water extracting the actives.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26887008 - 08/18/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It only matters for concentrated tea. 

Psilocin isn't very soluble in pH neutral water, but it's quite soluble in acidified water.  C.B. Gold in "The Mushroom Entheogen - The Measure of the Mushroom" does extractions at various pH levels and then documents what actives are extracted.  This was the basis of my using citric acid for my tea, which is optimal (thru bioassay) at 2% level. 

Getting fresh fruits down into tea to store that has half the weight in water of the fruits is the result.  It really packs a punch but doesn't make the taste intolerable. 

Being able to consume 90 g fresh mushrooms as one or two chugs is pretty damn useful if you trip often and heavy.  :snoopyes:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26887028 - 08/18/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I heard frozen teas dont last very well over time. Can anyone shed some light on the longevity of frozen teas?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26887030 - 08/18/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dont buy it. It's common knowledge that actives are highly soluble in water. Dry mushrooms dont even have psilocin. Those degrade during drying. Your body converts the highly water soluble psilocybin into psilocin. If the dry shrooms have no psilocin there's nothing to extract even if whatever about ph neutral water mattered:shrug:

That article is also old and contains spelling errors galore. Did that guy use controlled parameters and proven isolates for a controlled test? Nope.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26887108 - 08/18/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You're missing the whole point.  The solubility of anything depends on the concentration, and psilocin is only weakly soluble in pH neutral water.  Make a weak tea with a pint of water and it's low concentration.  Make a strong tea with almost no water and it takes acid water to do the extraction properly.  :shrug:

No point at all in first drying the shrooms and then trying to extract the oxidized psilocin. I only do fresh extracts and freeze them.  Tea tastes better, works better, lasts forever

Try it and see some time, you'll change your tune.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26887122 - 08/18/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I heard frozen teas dont last very well over time. Can anyone shed some light on the longevity of frozen teas?




3 years good enough for you?  Those were frozen solid the whole time.  If you have a frost free fridge (sadly my old one died) the time will probably not be so good as thawing and refreezing isn't good for it.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26887143 - 08/18/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Seems like extra work for no return.

People claim this and that about lemontek but ask for proof and all you get is..

It works! Or outdated erowid articles rampant with non scientific explanations.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26887158 - 08/18/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah if you make tea from dry it's extra work - first you dry them then you make them wet again for tea. :laugh2:  I've done it a few times but the taste is fucking rancid.

What you want to do (what I did) is compare a tea made with little water from fresh with and without citric acid at 2%.  Put it in the water before you put the fresh fruits in, then mash em and boil em, steep and strain.  You'll see immediately that it prevents oxidation because they get pale instead of dark as they cook in the water.  It's a butt-ass simple experiment to do. :shrug:

Since cubes have about equal amounts psilocin and psilocybin, doing anything to lose the psilocin is just wasting your product.  Plus you get comeups that start 10-15 minutes or so and are smooth as anything.  But hey do what you like.

BTW I'm not talking about lemontek.  There's nothing magical that happens there that converts actives to a different form, that requires acid at least as strong as in your stomach (i.e. hydrochloric acid).  Not going there. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26887182 - 08/18/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That happens without acids..




You are talking about using fresh fruits, like my pictures, and using an acid to extract more actives than water alone is capable of.

I'm arguing you dont need the acid at all. I'm arguing what is extracting anything with lemon juice is the water part of the juice. All the other things are just extra flavor.

You are also saying drying is detrimental to potency. I'd agree to an extent. but only because you cant flash dry shrooms with fancy freeze driers at home. If you could I'd wager none of the psilocin would be lost.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 2
    #26887347 - 08/18/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Eat em fresh out the ground like god intended


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26887528 - 08/18/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That happens without acids..




You are talking about using fresh fruits, like my pictures, and using an acid to extract more actives than water alone is capable of.

I'm arguing you dont need the acid at all. I'm arguing what is extracting anything with lemon juice is the water part of the juice. All the other things are just extra flavor.

You are also saying drying is detrimental to potency. I'd agree to an extent. but only because you cant flash dry shrooms with fancy freeze driers at home. If you could I'd wager none of the psilocin would be lost.





The argument is BS since it works perfectly fine and can be easily tested.  Don't forget this is ONLY about making concentrated tea, half the weight of the water in the fruits, and basically adding some citric acid to fresh fruits and mashing them up while on simmer until the juice comes out and you get a rolling boil, like it says in the tek.  It's not about using a potful of water.  Try it and see, otherwise forget it and do whatever. :shrug:

No water was added beyond about a tbs, they just stew in their own juices:


It works, I use it, a lot of other people use it and it works for them too. :solidnod:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26963874 - 10/01/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Fresh have been more potent IMO


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26983010 - 10/13/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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That happens without acids..




You are talking about using fresh fruits, like my pictures, and using an acid to extract more actives than water alone is capable of.

I'm arguing you dont need the acid at all. I'm arguing what is extracting anything with lemon juice is the water part of the juice. All the other things are just extra flavor.

You are also saying drying is detrimental to potency. I'd agree to an extent. but only because you cant flash dry shrooms with fancy freeze driers at home. If you could I'd wager none of the psilocin would be lost.





The argument is BS since it works perfectly fine and can be easily tested.  Don't forget this is ONLY about making concentrated tea, half the weight of the water in the fruits, and basically adding some citric acid to fresh fruits and mashing them up while on simmer until the juice comes out and you get a rolling boil, like it says in the tek.  It's not about using a potful of water.  Try it and see, otherwise forget it and do whatever. :shrug:

No water was added beyond about a tbs, they just stew in their own juices:


It works, I use it, a lot of other people use it and it works for them too. :solidnod:




Hey primal, I would love to try that out. Can you maybe point me to the two you’re referring to? Cheers!


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