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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26886886 - 08/18/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Fresh is always more potent than dried. If u have a fresh harvest, then definitely do a tea or smoothie with fresh fruits :thumbup:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26886955 - 08/18/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Or make tea with the fresh fruits and freeze the doses so you can enjoy a 'fresh' experience anytime:cool:

I'd still like to see real science on how lemon tek extracts/converts more actives. I think the liquid part of the juice works like water extracting the actives.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26887008 - 08/18/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It only matters for concentrated tea. 

Psilocin isn't very soluble in pH neutral water, but it's quite soluble in acidified water.  C.B. Gold in "The Mushroom Entheogen - The Measure of the Mushroom" does extractions at various pH levels and then documents what actives are extracted.  This was the basis of my using citric acid for my tea, which is optimal (thru bioassay) at 2% level. 

Getting fresh fruits down into tea to store that has half the weight in water of the fruits is the result.  It really packs a punch but doesn't make the taste intolerable. 

Being able to consume 90 g fresh mushrooms as one or two chugs is pretty damn useful if you trip often and heavy.  :snoopyes:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26887028 - 08/18/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I heard frozen teas dont last very well over time. Can anyone shed some light on the longevity of frozen teas?


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26887030 - 08/18/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Dont buy it. It's common knowledge that actives are highly soluble in water. Dry mushrooms dont even have psilocin. Those degrade during drying. Your body converts the highly water soluble psilocybin into psilocin. If the dry shrooms have no psilocin there's nothing to extract even if whatever about ph neutral water mattered:shrug:

That article is also old and contains spelling errors galore. Did that guy use controlled parameters and proven isolates for a controlled test? Nope.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26887108 - 08/18/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You're missing the whole point.  The solubility of anything depends on the concentration, and psilocin is only weakly soluble in pH neutral water.  Make a weak tea with a pint of water and it's low concentration.  Make a strong tea with almost no water and it takes acid water to do the extraction properly.  :shrug:

No point at all in first drying the shrooms and then trying to extract the oxidized psilocin. I only do fresh extracts and freeze them.  Tea tastes better, works better, lasts forever

Try it and see some time, you'll change your tune.

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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26887122 - 08/18/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I heard frozen teas dont last very well over time. Can anyone shed some light on the longevity of frozen teas?




3 years good enough for you?  Those were frozen solid the whole time.  If you have a frost free fridge (sadly my old one died) the time will probably not be so good as thawing and refreezing isn't good for it.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26887143 - 08/18/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Seems like extra work for no return.

People claim this and that about lemontek but ask for proof and all you get is..

It works! Or outdated erowid articles rampant with non scientific explanations.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy]
    #26887158 - 08/18/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah if you make tea from dry it's extra work - first you dry them then you make them wet again for tea. :laugh2:  I've done it a few times but the taste is fucking rancid.

What you want to do (what I did) is compare a tea made with little water from fresh with and without citric acid at 2%.  Put it in the water before you put the fresh fruits in, then mash em and boil em, steep and strain.  You'll see immediately that it prevents oxidation because they get pale instead of dark as they cook in the water.  It's a butt-ass simple experiment to do. :shrug:

Since cubes have about equal amounts psilocin and psilocybin, doing anything to lose the psilocin is just wasting your product.  Plus you get comeups that start 10-15 minutes or so and are smooth as anything.  But hey do what you like.

BTW I'm not talking about lemontek.  There's nothing magical that happens there that converts actives to a different form, that requires acid at least as strong as in your stomach (i.e. hydrochloric acid).  Not going there. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26887182 - 08/18/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That happens without acids..




You are talking about using fresh fruits, like my pictures, and using an acid to extract more actives than water alone is capable of.

I'm arguing you dont need the acid at all. I'm arguing what is extracting anything with lemon juice is the water part of the juice. All the other things are just extra flavor.

You are also saying drying is detrimental to potency. I'd agree to an extent. but only because you cant flash dry shrooms with fancy freeze driers at home. If you could I'd wager none of the psilocin would be lost.


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 2
    #26887347 - 08/18/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Eat em fresh out the ground like god intended


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26887528 - 08/18/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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That happens without acids..




You are talking about using fresh fruits, like my pictures, and using an acid to extract more actives than water alone is capable of.

I'm arguing you dont need the acid at all. I'm arguing what is extracting anything with lemon juice is the water part of the juice. All the other things are just extra flavor.

You are also saying drying is detrimental to potency. I'd agree to an extent. but only because you cant flash dry shrooms with fancy freeze driers at home. If you could I'd wager none of the psilocin would be lost.





The argument is BS since it works perfectly fine and can be easily tested.  Don't forget this is ONLY about making concentrated tea, half the weight of the water in the fruits, and basically adding some citric acid to fresh fruits and mashing them up while on simmer until the juice comes out and you get a rolling boil, like it says in the tek.  It's not about using a potful of water.  Try it and see, otherwise forget it and do whatever. :shrug:

No water was added beyond about a tbs, they just stew in their own juices:


It works, I use it, a lot of other people use it and it works for them too. :solidnod:


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: Blue_Lux]
    #26963874 - 10/01/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Fresh have been more potent IMO


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26983010 - 10/13/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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That happens without acids..




You are talking about using fresh fruits, like my pictures, and using an acid to extract more actives than water alone is capable of.

I'm arguing you dont need the acid at all. I'm arguing what is extracting anything with lemon juice is the water part of the juice. All the other things are just extra flavor.

You are also saying drying is detrimental to potency. I'd agree to an extent. but only because you cant flash dry shrooms with fancy freeze driers at home. If you could I'd wager none of the psilocin would be lost.





The argument is BS since it works perfectly fine and can be easily tested.  Don't forget this is ONLY about making concentrated tea, half the weight of the water in the fruits, and basically adding some citric acid to fresh fruits and mashing them up while on simmer until the juice comes out and you get a rolling boil, like it says in the tek.  It's not about using a potful of water.  Try it and see, otherwise forget it and do whatever. :shrug:

No water was added beyond about a tbs, they just stew in their own juices:


It works, I use it, a lot of other people use it and it works for them too. :solidnod:




Hey primal, I would love to try that out. Can you maybe point me to the two you’re referring to? Cheers!


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Re: Are wet mushrooms stronger than dry? [Re: MuteUSO]
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