|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
|
I took an ‘impulse’ rip of some salvia a friend had made for me and thought I died, it doesn’t sound intense but it was as serious as it gets. When I was dead the weirdest thing happened, I could see my mind and it was my name spelled out. Like right now we’re ‘in’ our minds, middle center, you know? Well I rose above mine and looked down on it and I could see it was my name spelled out. I eventually ended up back on my bed feeling like I had just survived taking a shell point blank to my face, real as it gets, and as I sat there something came to mind.
Rev 3:5 - 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
It added a new context to these verses that refer to the book of life and having your ‘name’ written into it.
I’ve had the ones where you’re relieved to get back to the point where language makes sense and you have a new appreciation of your ‘boring’ sober mind and I’ve had the ones where right from the start you’re going against the grain and it can’t wear off quick enough even though it hasn’t even really kicked in yet. Horrible anxiety and fear, where you feel like you’re a terrible person for how you’ve conducted yourself. The whole 9, obviously you guys know what I’m talking about. But that salvia rip was something else, it takes 1st place for me..
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Aldebaran
Psilo-Scribe



Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 1,322
Loc: Altered States of Europe
Last seen: 3 days, 3 hours
|
|
Quote:
A lot of you are speaking of your beliefs. I'm curious as to what changed.
The post above yours expresses something I've often felt during trips at higher doses:
Quote:
HolyBolete wrote It felt like going to court in the sense that my belief system was on trial and was being challenged one by one
You could call it "the fear", a deep sense of dread. For me it was connected to a kind of metaphysical shock - coming from a more materialist / atheist position and then suddenly getting a strong sense of a 'higher power' from within the trip. Huxley mentions this feeling in The Doors of Perception:
Quote:
The literature of religious experience abounds in references to the pains and terrors overwhelming those who have come, too suddenly, face to face with some manifestation of the Mysterium Tremendum. In theological language, this fear is due to the incompatibility between man's egotism and the divine purity, between man's self-aggravated separateness and the infinity of God
Or in non-theological language - FUCK! Time to start praying...

The idea of the Mysterium Tremendum is connected to the concept of the numinous
Numinous: "derived from the Latin numen meaning "arousing spiritual or religious emotion; mysterious or awe-inspiring""
Mysterium Tremendum: "a mystery (Latin: mysterium) that is at once terrifying (tremendum) and fascinating (fascinans)"
The C.S. Lewis quote from that Wikipedia page explains it quite well:
Quote:
Suppose you were told there was a tiger in the next room: you would know that you were in danger and would probably feel fear. But if you were told "There is a ghost in the next room," and believed it, you would feel, indeed, what is often called fear, but of a different kind. It would not be based on the knowledge of danger, for no one is primarily afraid of what a ghost may do to him, but of the mere fact that it is a ghost. It is "uncanny" rather than dangerous, and the special kind of fear it excites may be called Dread. With the Uncanny one has reached the fringes of the Numinous.
Now suppose that you were told simply "There is a mighty spirit in the room," and believed it. Your feelings would then be even less like the mere fear of danger: but the disturbance would be profound. You would feel wonder and a certain shrinking—a sense of inadequacy to cope with such a visitant and of prostration before it—an emotion which might be expressed in Shakespeare's words "Under it my genius is rebuked." This feeling may be described as awe, and the object which excites it as the Numinous.
With psychedelics, it can feel as though there is some "powerful spirit" not just in the same room as you, but inside your head...
That skin-crawling feeling of judgement, a powerful sense of wrongness, that everything you thought you knew is deeply, horribly wrong...
Over the course of a trip you can have your existing belief system shattered, to be replaced by the outlandish 'revelations' of your trip, then at some point you realize that you are inside a deep rabbit hole of pure insanity, and you end up back where you started, with a feeling that beliefs are not things to be entirely trusted at all.

One of the more persistent 'messages' of shroom trips always seems to be along the lines that consciousness is more fundamental to reality than 'matter', that there is some greater realm of consciousness out there which you are coming into contact with. I expressed it like this in another thread -
Quote:
the physical realm no longer seems to be the primary reality... There seems to be a core of consciousness that can survive anything... there is a world beyond death where your consciousness will be transformed and combined into something greater, something unfathomably powerful
This has some similarity with the idea of perennialism which Wikipedia sums up as:
Quote:
a perspective in spirituality that views all of the world's religious traditions as sharing a single, metaphysical truth or origin from which all esoteric and exoteric knowledge and doctrine has grown.
This feeling of a "metaphysical truth" suddenly revealing itself during a trip is enough to make you pause, and reconsider the comfortable certainty of your background assumptions and beliefs.
In a non-spiritual type of trip, it can feel as though you have come across some kind of 'matrix' underlying reality, which causes Philip K Dick levels of doubt about just how real everything is. Even moderate doses of psychedelics are enough to make you question reality, perception, consciousness.
Quote:
We're living in an infinity which always blows my fucking mind.

To be honest, whatever you believe in, reality is very weird, to put it mildly!
-------------------- I wrote that, but I meant something else
|
Aldebaran
Psilo-Scribe



Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 1,322
Loc: Altered States of Europe
Last seen: 3 days, 3 hours
|
Re: What 'humbled' you? [Re: Blue_Lux]
#26392644 - 12/20/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
I felt an expanse within myself I didn't know existed and to this day words can never express that experience, the intricate geometry and dozens of epiphanies in wordless conceptions. If there was some way i could just put it in words
I think you express it well 

Quote:
I feel so divided philosophically. Part of me wants to adhere to strict reason and epistemological varifications and logical constructions, but you are right, the psychedelic experience just doesn't make sense philosophically, without resorting to metaphysics, which modern philosophy simply disdains.
I think it can help if you reject the idea that you need to believe in one particular thing and be absolutely certain about it. The default position in philosophy is skepticism; the recognition that there is no certainty about anything, even your own stance of skepticism. Traditional religion usually operates along the lines of 'believe this, or else!" but this is a very narrow way of thinking.
You can 'inhabit' various viewpoints without having to commit to any particular one, and without having to be utterly credulous about every half-baked conspiracy theory.
If you start a trip as a materialist there's no reason you can't temporarily flip to another more mystical or spiritual viewpoint if it takes over during the trip; it makes the trip a lot easier to handle.

Metaphysics still has a role in philosophy - despite the primacy of physics as a way of understanding reality, there are plenty of philosophical questions about what physics tells us, and what it can't tell us.
I still have my copy of Metaphysics: The Big Questions which is a cheap introductory text (full of different essays on various topics) if you get a 2nd hand copy of the original edition - I don't think the fundamental nature of reality has changed since it was first published!
-------------------- I wrote that, but I meant something else
|
|