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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26387013 - 12/17/19 12:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said: I have a sporeprint of this variety, it is labeled Psilocybe galindoi var. ATL7, should I relabel this as Psilocybe tampanensis var. ATL7?
No varieties of Psilocybe tampanensis have been published, so it should just be Psilocybe tampanensis. You can use strain ATL7 if you like.
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So you are saying that Psilocybe galindoi and Psilocybe mexicana are the same species?
Yes, but no one has galindoi. What people are calling gaindoi is tampanensis.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: inski]
#26387028 - 12/17/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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inski said: t was actually Jerry who did the sequencing and matched up the NZ collections with the fairly newly described Taiwanese species, P. angulospora
Jerry and I both sequenced them. There wasn't really any work to do because Taiwanese researchers put the type sequence of P. angulospora into Genbank.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26387083 - 12/17/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great job very interesting findings thanks so much for doing what you do
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inski said: Alan has now got an ITS sequence of my collection below and it is a 100% match with P. angulospora, thanks Alan

This is such a cool looking species just a beautiful pix ! I've got a culture of it ripping thru wheat bran currently too. So far so good!
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: breeg89]
#26387553 - 12/17/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DnDRnD said: Beautiful work! 
If I'm reading that tree correctly is it saying zapotecorum is the "parent species" for lack of a better term?
The tree shows that zapotecorum is in a separate clade that shares a common ancestor with all of the other species in the tree. So all of the other species shown are more closely related to each other than they are to zapotecorum.
Ahh thats way cool! I havnt read trees like that before so I wasnt sure
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: DnDRnD]
#26388415 - 12/18/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DnDRnD said:
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DnDRnD said: Beautiful work! 
If I'm reading that tree correctly is it saying zapotecorum is the "parent species" for lack of a better term?
The tree shows that zapotecorum is in a separate clade that shares a common ancestor with all of the other species in the tree. So all of the other species shown are more closely related to each other than they are to zapotecorum.
Ahh thats way cool! I havnt read trees like that before so I wasnt sure
To me, this is an excellent example of what makes the shroomery so great, people freely sharing their knowledge and experiences with one another, someone is always willing to try and help others educate themselves.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#26389404 - 12/18/19 07:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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RogerTheRetard said: I have a sporeprint of this variety, it is labeled Psilocybe galindoi var. ATL7, should I relabel this as Psilocybe tampanensis var. ATL7?
No varieties of Psilocybe tampanensis have been published, so it should just be Psilocybe tampanensis. You can use strain ATL7 if you like.
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So you are saying that Psilocybe galindoi and Psilocybe mexicana are the same species?
Yes, but no one has galindoi. What people are calling gaindoi is tampanensis.
True, I guess the correct term to describe Workman's ATL #7 variety of Psilocybe tampnensis would be lineage then. That use of the term variety would indeed be incorrect, as far as correct scientific literature goes.
So yes, good to know that the lineage in question is Psilocybe tampanensis - ATL #7 and NOT Psilocybe galindoi - ATL #7.
Great skills for figuring that out Alan. I'm pleased to know that the ATL #7 lineage is Psilocybe tampanensis. Especially because this is a lineage that had been sitting in my library under Psilocybe galindoi this whole time...
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#26389871 - 12/19/19 12:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Epic!
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#26391028 - 12/19/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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inski said: t was actually Jerry who did the sequencing and matched up the NZ collections with the fairly newly described Taiwanese species, P. angulospora
Jerry and I both sequenced them. There wasn't really any work to do because Taiwanese researchers put the type sequence of P. angulospora into Genbank.
So in Taiwan, do P. angulospora only fruit in dung?
In NZ P. angulospora pretty much only fruit in brown-bark woodchip, often fruiting alongside P. tasmaniana. Sometimes P. angulospora will fruit in tan-bark woodchip, very peculiar.
Notice the brown-bark substrate in these images. P. angulospora and P. tasmaniana prefer the brown chips as opposed to the tan chips that P. subaeruginosa and P. subsecotioides prefer...
 
I know this is not P. tampanensis related, but I'm just curious.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Greenween]
#26392640 - 12/20/19 03:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Greenween said: Not trying to stir the pot but...your telling me that doesn’t look like buried grain spawn? Look where it’s growing from compared to the ground outside the red circle

Looks like water runoff scoured the area in the upper part of that pic and the debris it collected--in this case grass seeds--was deposited in the vegetation in the lower part of the pic, the spot you circled.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: relic]
#26392695 - 12/20/19 04:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Greenween said: Not trying to stir the pot but...your telling me that doesn’t look like buried grain spawn? Look where it’s growing from compared to the ground outside the red circle

Looks like water runoff scoured the area in the upper part of that pic and the debris it collected--in this case grass seeds--was deposited in the vegetation in the lower part of the pic, the spot you circled.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26392775 - 12/20/19 04:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Precisely. If anyone buried something here they did a damn good job putting the dirt back exactly the way it was. 😂
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: bloodycarcass]
#26392793 - 12/20/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly. A natural occurrence. Great wild Psilocybe tampanensis find bloodycarcass, beautiful specimens, crafted by nature.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: RogerTheRetard]
#26397546 - 12/23/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerTheRetard said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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inski said: t was actually Jerry who did the sequencing and matched up the NZ collections with the fairly newly described Taiwanese species, P. angulospora
Jerry and I both sequenced them. There wasn't really any work to do because Taiwanese researchers put the type sequence of P. angulospora into Genbank.
So in Taiwan, do P. angulospora only fruit in dung?
In NZ P. angulospora pretty much only fruit in brown-bark woodchip, often fruiting alongside P. tasmaniana. Sometimes P. angulospora will fruit in tan-bark woodchip, very peculiar.
Notice the brown-bark substrate in these images. P. angulospora and P. tasmaniana prefer the brown chips as opposed to the tan chips that P. subaeruginosa and P. subsecotioides prefer...
 
I know this is not P. tampanensis related, but I'm just curious.
So very interesting. What is published says.. Habitat: on heavily manured soil, scattered. Also says..likely to be a species of Psilocybe genus in Mexicanae section. Inski cultivated them? in? How to understand a phylogenetic tree would be cool to know. Apologises on my mobile.
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Re: Finally got some sequence data from ATL7 & a Psilocybe section Mexicanae tree. [Re: Doc9151]
#28101302 - 12/16/22 10:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yes and the P. weilii species reported from Georgia, according to Mushroom John in his book, Divine Mushrooms is actually the same species as P. caerulescens.
Back in the day, John Allen reported that the P. weil was actually P. caerulescens and people went off on him about that identification.
Later Dr. Guzman from Mexico also verified that P. weilii was a synonym of P. caerulescens. And i recall some shroomers in Georgia had posted photos of P. weilii here back in the early 2000s. So this would be relevant to this thread. Seems that P. caerulescens is also been found in Mississippi and Louisiana. So it might also be in Texas as well.
Has anyone found any P. aztecorum in Georgia? That species also has been found in the northeast and in Canada as well. So maybe that species is also in Georgia?
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