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Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked?
    #25290251 - 06/25/18 02:03 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Hello Shroomery, this is my first ever time joining a forum and I do so in the desperation of some much needed advice. I apologize for the length, but I want to give details.

A little background...

I have been using this site for years but never as a member. Thank you for all your posts, you have assisted my ventures greatly. I have been growing successfully using rye grains and my vermiculite monotub method for almost 6 years. Most months I have a 100% success rate when it comes to pressure cooking and inoculating jars. At one point I had 3 years, no contaminations in jars. If I don't have success, I'm usually very good at figuring out what I did wrong...

Until last summer. I ran into an issue where I was having the odd contamination in jars. I pressure cook at 15psi for 2 hours, this is unusual. I started to get more, then more, to a point where every single jar was green. Trichoderma I believe it is. I troubleshooted everything. The syringes, the prints, my inoculation methods, the jars. Then I pressure cooked a batch of 8 jars and didn't inoculate. All 8 turned green. It must be the pressure cooker I thought. I replaced the seal and the weight. I tried raising the setting on the element from 5.5 to 6.5. I had 22quart Mirro pressure Cooker that I got from Canadian Tire. For over 4 years it did the job. I replaced it with the same model now sold by Tfal last fall and like magic, 100% success again.

Not sure what happened to my pressure cooker or why it stopped working. The operation of the pressure cooker never varied, it spit out steam at regular intervals. If anyone has the answer to why a pressure cooker just stops working, I would love to hear it. I've searched for hours on this.

So in May I started to have the same problems again. I pressure cooked some jars with no inoculation 3 weeks ago and 6 of 8 jars turned green and fuzzy on me. I was pissed! This pressure cooker was only 8 months old! So I typed All American Pressure Cooker 921 into Amazon and clicked send.

My beautiful metal monster of a pressure cooker showed up Friday. I read up on the instructions and watched a couple videos and today, Sunday, I load 8 green and fuzzy jars to sterilize. I use a little olive oil on a paper towel on the edge of pressure cooker indicated in the instructions, I line it up so the gap is even, I tighten the knobs gradually using opposite knobs at the same time. I turn it on, wait for 10 minutes of steam to come out the nozzle and place the pressure regulator on top. As it gets to pressure there's steam coming out one side of the metal to metal seal and out of the threads of the pressure regulator. I turn off stove and let it depressurize, tighten more and line up, try again and the same thing happens, depressurize and try for a third time. At 15 psi every 20-30 seconds a little bit of pressure keeps escaping from the metal seal. I thought the all American would have absolutely nothing coming from that seal and out of the threads of the pressure regulator. Is this normal?

So then comes the part where I realize my devastating mistake. Don't give me shit, I am feeling really stupid already. During the couple fails I had getting the pressure cooker to seal I never replaced the water that was lost. So as my alarm was going off at 2 hours I notice there is less jiggling going on and the pressure is down a couple psi. Oh shit! I realize that the water must be super low if barely there. So I turn off the stove very quickly and think oh, I've saved it. Not so. I was wondering why my apartment was starting to get warm, so I go check the stove and sure enough, the knob is not in the off position, it is on MAX. It had been like that for at least 30 minutes! The pressure gauge was showing 10 psi. I carefully turned it off using a 25L pot lid as a shield and left it to sit until the pressure got to zero and removed the pressure regulator. There were a few tings and pressure noises as it cooled down. I was so angry at myself, I'm experienced, these mistakes shouldn't have happened.

I don't know what the inside looks like yet, I expect possible broken jars, but I think I would have smelt burning rye grains. I'm just so thankful that there were no explosions. I've read very little in google searches about what to do if my pressure cooker boils dry. The instructions state that if it boils dry the unit is ruined, it cannot be repaired and must be replaced. I've also read a post where RR says to replace a pressure cooker that boils dry because you don't want to be using a bomb in the future, He also states in another post that all American pressure cookers don't warp.

My ultimate question to the forum is did I totally fuck up my brand new $450 All American Pressure Cooker and should I replace it? I think the answer is yes, but I'm really hoping you guys have something different for me. I will let you know if I see any broken jars, obvious warping or cracks when I unload it tomorrow when it is completely cool.

Kris

Update:

I unloaded the pressure cooker about a half hour ago. 2 of the jars look like there are stress fractures in the glass, so they will all be tossed. The rye grains inside have completely dried out. The pressure cooker looks perfectly fine despite a very slight unevenness to the bottom. I called All American and explained my situation and concerns about the pressure cooker. I was informed to do a shorter test, then a longer test and if the pressure gauge and regulator seem operational, then to proceed normally. I was informed if the bottom was blackened or if there was bulging anywhere I should replace the unit or at least the bottom. He said a slight unevenness to the bottom shouldn't affect it. He said they are really strong and should not crack or become a bomb. I may not have fucked over my brand new metal monster. Will do the tests and find out.

As for the mysterious loss of function of my previous pressure cooker, I'm still baffled. Someone wanted to see a photo of my lids, had some technology issues, every time I choose a file, the sites says it's an invalid file and can't be used. I've tried on both my phone and iPad and no success. Ì tried for like 40 minutes tho. I use cut up hepa filter vacuum bags over the holes and seal them with athletic tape. The heat from the pressure cooker seems to fuse the tape to the lid real well. I'm pretty sure the problem is not lids, because when I replaced pressure cooker last time, I used the old lids with new pressure cooker and 100% success. My batch of green jars are at 18 days, never inoculated. They did a 2 hour cook at 15psi in 8 month old pressure cooker. I'm experiencing about an 80% contamination rate. The jars have been left in the same metal storage cabinet of workbench for the last 5.5 years.

Edit: Figured out how to post photos on the forum. Someone asked for photos of lids. Green jar at 18 days no inoculation, white jar at 22 days and ready to go.



Edited by MissKris (06/25/18 04:24 PM)


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #25290417 - 06/25/18 05:45 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Green mold and all mold dies well before sterilization. If your jars contaminated with mold it points to an issue with you. If your jars contaminated with bacteria your cooker might be to blame.

Im not there and there's no pictures. So I guess I would be asking you if you fucked up your cooker or not..


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25290441 - 06/25/18 06:12 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Where in the AA manuel does it say to use olive oil on the metal/metal seal?


Pics bro. Pics:yuno:

Or are you going to replace 450$ based off random weirdos on the internet?

Also if pced jars spoil it could be your GE filters.


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25290445 - 06/25/18 06:17 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I would guess the concern with repeated mold to be the choice and design of lid one is using.
I use a cheap $65 presto and a crappy fagor. I've never seen mold with an unmodified lid, maybe you could still have bacteria, but like Bodhi said, mold dies way before that.

When you get some pictures of the PC snap a shot of your lids, if you don't mind.

Edit: mushboy beat me to it


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #25290597 - 06/25/18 08:44 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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MissKris said:
Hello Shroomery, this is my first ever time joining a forum and I do so in the desperation of some much needed advice. I apologize for the length, but I want to give details.

A little background...

I have been using this site for years but never as a member. Thank you for all your posts, you have assisted my ventures greatly. I have been growing successfully using rye grains and my vermiculite monotub method for almost 6 years. Most months I have a 100% success rate when it comes to pressure cooking and inoculating jars. At one point I had 3 years, no contaminations in jars. If I don't have success, I'm usually very good at figuring out what I did wrong...

Until last summer. I ran into an issue where I was having the odd contamination in jars. I pressure cook at 15psi for 2 hours, this is unusual. I started to get more, then more, to a point where every single jar was green. Trichoderma I believe it is. I troubleshooted everything. The syringes, the prints, my inoculation methods, the jars. Then I pressure cooked a batch of 8 jars and didn't inoculate. All 8 turned green. It must be the pressure cooker I thought. I replaced the seal and the weight. I tried raising the setting on the element from 5.5 to 6.5. I had 22quart Mirro pressure Cooker that I got from Canadian Tire. For over 4 years it did the job. I replaced it with the same model now sold by Tfal last fall and like magic, 100% success again.

Not sure what happened to my pressure cooker or why it stopped working. The operation of the pressure cooker never varied, it spit out steam at regular intervals. If anyone has the answer to why a pressure cooker just stops working, I would love to hear it. I've searched for hours on this.

So in May I started to have the same problems again. I pressure cooked some jars with no inoculation 3 weeks ago and 6 of 8 jars turned green and fuzzy on me. I was pissed! This pressure cooker was only 8 months old! So I typed All American Pressure Cooker 921 into Amazon and clicked send.

My beautiful metal monster of a pressure cooker showed up Friday. I read up on the instructions and watched a couple videos and today, Sunday, I load 8 green and fuzzy jars to sterilize. I use a little olive oil on a paper towel on the edge of pressure cooker indicated in the instructions, I line it up so the gap is even, I tighten the knobs gradually using opposite knobs at the same time. I turn it on, wait for 10 minutes of steam to come out the nozzle and place the pressure regulator on top. As it gets to pressure there's steam coming out one side of the metal to metal seal and out of the threads of the pressure regulator. I turn off stove and let it depressurize, tighten more and line up, try again and the same thing happens, depressurize and try for a third time. At 15 psi every 20-30 seconds a little bit of pressure keeps escaping from the metal seal. I thought the all American would have absolutely nothing coming from that seal and out of the threads of the pressure regulator. Is this normal?

So then comes the part where I realize my devastating mistake. Don't give me shit, I am feeling really stupid already. During the couple fails I had getting the pressure cooker to seal I never replaced the water that was lost. So as my alarm was going off at 2 hours I notice there is less jiggling going on and the pressure is down a couple psi. Oh shit! I realize that the water must be super low if barely there. So I turn off the stove very quickly and think oh, I've saved it. Not so. I was wondering why my apartment was starting to get warm, so I go check the stove and sure enough, the knob is not in the off position, it is on MAX. It had been like that for at least 30 minutes! The pressure gauge was showing 10 psi. I carefully turned it off using a 25L pot lid as a shield and left it to sit until the pressure got to zero and removed the pressure regulator. There were a few tings and pressure noises as it cooled down. I was so angry at myself, I'm experienced, these mistakes shouldn't have happened.

I don't know what the inside looks like yet, I expect possible broken jars, but I think I would have smelt burning rye grains. I'm just so thankful that there were no explosions. I've read very little in google searches about what to do if my pressure cooker boils dry. The instructions state that if it boils dry the unit is ruined, it cannot be repaired and must be replaced. I've also read a post where RR says to replace a pressure cooker that boils dry because you don't want to be using a bomb in the future, He also states in another post that all American pressure cookers don't warp.

My ultimate question to the forum is did I totally fuck up my brand new $450 All American Pressure Cooker and should I replace it? I think the answer is yes, but I'm really hoping you guys have something different for me. I will let you know if I see any broken jars, obvious warping or cracks when I unload it tomorrow when it is completely cool.

Kris




Though you grew for three years without problem your current problems sound seasonal. When temperatures go up so does contamination. Have you changed the place you're storing your jars?

If the pressure cooker is not warped on the bottom I think it will be okay. I did the same thing recently (pushed my cooker to the back of the stove and it turned on the burner) and my bottom warped out.

I actually left the house and my room mate found it. He said the house had a layer of steam hanging on the ceiling. Lucky he was there or there would have been a fire for sure.


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: mushboy]
    #25291087 - 06/25/18 02:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Olive oil advice is on pg 9, point 3 under before using the cooker/canner the first time, and on pg 10 under caring for your cooker/canner metal to metal seal with a diagram and an arrow that says apply lubricant to the bottom only in the All American Pressure cooker manual. I just did what it said.

And bro, I'm a chick, lol. Trying to get photos up, having technology issues.


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #25291186 - 06/25/18 03:33 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Should be easier lol. Chicks and Facebook+instagram I have 40 year old ladies at work that can post pictures while working. And take video of people being high and send em to the boss LOL

Most people use vaseline(petroleum jelly) for the metal on metal seal. Or use very plain unsent chapstick


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #25291236 - 06/25/18 04:01 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Photos of jars... Sorry, I'm very new to forums, didn't know you had to upload a photo and then use BB code. White jar is at 22 days and ready to go, green jar at 18 days, not even inoculated. Don't normally wait so long to sterilize a contamination before emptying the jar, but was waiting for All American Pressure Cooker to show up.

Lids use a cut up hepa filter vacuum bags, and red silicone injection spot. I have had good success using this method. Last October after 3 months of troubleshooting, old lids and old pressure cooker got contaminations, old lids with new pressure cooker, 100% success every month until this May.



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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #25291240 - 06/25/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Just dump out contaminated jars in your trash or outside if you're really worried. Dump them before they get so bad too.
Pressure cooking a contaminated jar is a smelly time, a huge waste of time and energy too. Ever get moldy bread or any other food. It just gets tossed.

Flip your cooker over and lay something flat on it like a cookie sheet(that isn't bent itself) and see if its bowed or not


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25291256 - 06/25/18 04:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Pressure cooker is slightly eneven on bottom, it was perfectly flat, it was brand new. When I called All American they said that it should be ok given the slightness of the bowing. Maybe 1 or 2mm out from what it was. He said to do a short and long test to see if regulator and pressure gauge are operational. If they are, than to proceed normally. He assured me the All American pressure cooker is strong enough that it should not become a bomb on my stove.


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #25291292 - 06/25/18 04:42 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Well that’s good info

A quick run to see if it seals would be the first thing to try. GL

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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: MissKris]
    #26378214 - 12/12/19 10:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I used my brand new Presto PC for the first time, to PC agar.

Put in a quart of water, kept the rocker off for the first 10 minute or so, and then cooked for 40 minutes as described by Pasty White.

1. 3 of 7 food rounds had a fair amount of "splash" from agar on the outside of the rounds.

2. The BIG issue is that my PC was dry at the end and the bottom had bowed out.

Will I need to buy a new PC already?! I paid $195 for the PC here in Thailand, even though it is $70 in the US.

Here are some pictures of the PC. There aren't any cracks or noticeable "stress" on the bottom, except for it being bowed out some.



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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: Northern Thailand]
    #26378221 - 12/12/19 10:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Should have read the manual.


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    #26378223 - 12/12/19 10:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: Northern Thailand]
    #26378228 - 12/12/19 10:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I DID read the manual.

Is this too dangerous to use again??


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: Northern Thailand]
    #26378245 - 12/12/19 10:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The manual says to use 3qt of water. Did you adjust the heat once it reached 15psi? Im suprised you managed to warp it so quickly even with just 1qt, but again 3qt is called for.


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: Northern Thailand]
    #26378383 - 12/13/19 01:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think your PC is fucked with that protruding bottom :sad:

Thats why its super important to watch your PC. If the PC runs out of water, bad things happen and its critical that u turn off the heat ASAP when u do!

Also u should have made your own thread. This thread is old and OP is gone.


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    #26378395 - 12/13/19 01:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That thing is completely ruined. I wouldn't consider it safe to use. Sorry for you loss.

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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26378496 - 12/13/19 04:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Unfortunately the directions were clearly not followed. You ran out of water which won't happen if it's done right.


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Re: Pressure cooker boiled dry and other pc issues... is it fucked? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26378574 - 12/13/19 06:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I may be giving bad advice but if you got no other means and the thing gets up to pressure I don't see why you have to throw it away. I mean don't run it inside anymore. And don't stand over it watching the lid and day dreaming. But if you need to run some jars and got a way to run it outside I'd say go for it. Worst case senerio it blows up like a bomb and sends the lid flying like a missile. But I doubt that will happen.


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