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ID Request - Northern Cal: active Panaeolus?
    #26378004 - 12/12/19 08:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Apologies, very new to this as well as the board.

I live in norcal closer to nevada than the coast. Found these growing next to my raised bed, medium would be a mixture of bark, potting soil, steer manure, and chicken manure. Area is shady. Outside daytime temps have been around 55 degrees.

Only been sitting out for a couple hours and are noticeably paler. Spores appear black to me. I didnt notice any stem discoloration.

Coloration appears to be dark brown near the tip getting lighter towards the edge, some times with a dark stripe near the edge.

Based on my inexperienced research it seems most likely some kind of panaeolus, no clue on species.








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Re: Northern Cal, active Panaeolus? [Re: nimblemanta]
    #26378082 - 12/12/19 09:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

psathyrella sp. not active


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Re: Northern Cal, active Panaeolus? [Re: Katz 206]
    #26378120 - 12/12/19 09:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

To help me learn, could you explain what gave it what distinctions you used to determine Psathyrella  > Panaeolus for these? Google hasn't helped me much and they look awfully similar :c


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Re: ID Request - Northern Cal: active Panaeolus? [Re: nimblemanta]
    #26378154 - 12/12/19 09:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Katz 206 said:
psathyrella sp. not active


:like:

Study up the differences between Psathyrella species & Panaeolus species until it starts to become easy enough to identify on the field.

The habit & textures were the main indicators for me based off of your pictures.

Panaeolus wouldn't be so moist to the touch, it'd be a bit more firm without being slippery.

Psathyella have tiny stems that are super thin & tends to group in massive little clusters which is pretty common compared to other species like Panaeolus would be rare to find so many without cultivation.


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Re: ID Request - Northern Cal: active Panaeolus? [Re: shroomguy087]
    #26378185 - 12/12/19 10:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The Panaeolus you are looking for would also never grow in woodchips. Only Green Grass, and Manure.

The caps of P.cinctulus are significantly more dense, the gills hang much lower almost equal with the cap margin.

Psathyrella are significantly more fragile and crumble in your hands


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Re: ID Request - Northern Cal: active Panaeolus? [Re: shroomguy087] * 1
    #26378191 - 12/12/19 10:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Very helpful, thanks! I'll go read up a lot the two species, everything feels so new right now.


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