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Squeezing out access water bulk substrate
#26377911 - 12/12/19 07:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know this sounds pretty straight forward and im sure it is but i have a few questions because i had to do this to get my bulk to field capacity today. So i have my bucket full of over hydrated coir/verm at first i was just grabbing a handful and squeezing the water out back into the bucket then putting the squeezed sub into a bowl but slowly as you keep doing this the sub in the bucket is obviously becoming more and more wet to the point were you have a soup in the bottom of the bucket. So then i started squeezing over the sink but it seemed like i would loose quite a bit of the sub falling into the sink and i didn't wanna chance contam by using the stuff that fell in the sink. So im just wondering what you all do when squeezing your bulk sub to field capacity.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: insutama]
#26377922 - 12/12/19 07:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drill some small holes into the bottom of the bucket and up the sides slightly. Cut the lid to fit inside of the bucket, place lid on top of the wet coir in the bucket, press down until the excess water is gone.
Coir press. Works kind of like a mop bucket press.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26377928 - 12/12/19 07:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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p9hu7 said: Drill some small holes into the bottom of the bucket and up the sides slightly. Cut the lid to fit inside of the bucket, place lid onto of the wet coir in the bucket press down until the excess water is gone.
Coir press.works kind of like a mop bucket press which also works.
That sounds like a wicked idea i would like to get my ratio of water down to the point were i don't have to squeeze every time but until then i think ill go buy a other bucket to make one of these "Presses"
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: insutama]
#26377941 - 12/12/19 07:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It works great, good for when you switch up coir brands or the inconsistency between batches leaves you with a big batch of over saturated coir. Just press until it barely dribbles, gtg.
I'm sure you could get pretty fancy with it if you wanted to, but this works fine.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26377954 - 12/12/19 08:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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right on thanks do you just put it in your sink when you press it ?
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: insutama]
#26377974 - 12/12/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just get another bucket. Squeeze the water into the other one. Then when you have a pool at the end scoop up as much of that soupy coir as possible and squeeze the water out.
I use a long ice chest, I put something under one side so itβs tilted, and I squeeze the water out on the down side and all the water pools there and I put the coir I will use I a five gallon bucket. when Iβm done I squeeze whatever soup coir is left in the pool. Very simple I like the coir press idea though
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Cybin_man] 2
#26378071 - 12/12/19 09:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Use less water and add verm straight out of the bag to adjust next time.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: AyePlus] 1
#26378109 - 12/12/19 09:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya 
I just add more verm until it's where I like it if I think a batch is too wet.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: natedawgnow]
#26378187 - 12/12/19 10:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: insutama]
#26378249 - 12/12/19 10:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe put it into a stainless steel strainer and press down
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: AyePlus]
#26378260 - 12/12/19 10:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: Use less water and add verm straight out of the bag to adjust next time.
or put it in a pillowcase or burlap sack and squeeze.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Failboat]
#26378532 - 12/13/19 05:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lots of great ideas thanks
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: insutama]
#26378543 - 12/13/19 06:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only good idea was adding verm
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: filthyknees]
#26378810 - 12/13/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not everybody has verm, or any reason to buy it. Iβve always used straight coir and donβt plan on using verm for future grows.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Cybin_man]
#26378821 - 12/13/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's a fair point
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: filthyknees]
#26378850 - 12/13/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its the only thing I use it for. I think its worth having on hand for that reason alone.
Why are you so against verm? Its just a mineral...
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: filthyknees]
#26378930 - 12/13/19 10:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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filthyknees said: The only good idea was adding verm
Why is it a bad idea to squeeze out the excess water? It works just fine. I mean, you might not like it for whatever reason but you can't say that it's a bad idea if it not only works but it couldn't possibly harm anything.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: AyePlus]
#26378953 - 12/13/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: Its the only thing I use it for. I think its worth having on hand for that reason alone.
Why are you so against verm? Its just a mineral...
Who said anything about being against verm? I just donβt use it, probably never will. I donβt mind getting my field capacity correct without it.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26378959 - 12/13/19 10:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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love the bucket tek lol. maybe better to use three same size buckets- bottom is water catch (add spacers , middle is overly wet load of concern buncha holes drilled (maybe add screen on bottom if losing a lot of coir thru), then top bucket is your press.
also appreciate using verm, got a fuckton of it, like 4cu ft, gotta use that stuff somewhere
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Cybin_man]
#26378982 - 12/13/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iβve noticed there is a lot of inconsistency in coir, and I usually make big batches because the coir that is available locally comes in ~10lb blocks, usually takes 1/2 a 6$ bag of verm or less. Huge timesaver for me. YMMV.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: AyePlus]
#26379002 - 12/13/19 10:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you prep 5+ blocks in the same container, i use coolers, then verm is a pretty awesome tool to have. Coir blocks vary quite a lot
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26379028 - 12/13/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
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filthyknees said: The only good idea was adding verm
Why is it a bad idea to squeeze out the excess water? It works just fine. I mean, you might not like it for whatever reason but you can't say that it's a bad idea if it not only works but it couldn't possibly harm anything.
As ayeplus said and others agree there's a much better way. If someone chooses not to buy verm and thus have no better course of action than to squeeze, sure squeeze away, but having to squeeze an overly hydrated substrate is something I haven't done for over five years because adding verm is much much easier.
That's where I'm coming from, relative to other ideas it's not the best idea IMO. I will never again squeeze a overly wet substrate over simply adding more verm, it's a question of better methods, not that one cannot squeeze but it's like a last resort IMO in mine and others situations.
A huge bag of verm is $20 just sayin. Beats squeezing wet substrate.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: filthyknees]
#26379056 - 12/13/19 11:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah...yeah I don't use massive amounts of coir, I'm sure pressing that much would be a chore. I have no need to make that much though, I assumed if the OP was doing it by hand he would be in a similar situation.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26379070 - 12/13/19 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Verm is great for controlling moisture, but if you dont have verm, you can use tissue paper to transfer some moisture to them or just boil the water out of it for stuff like coir in a pot.
It's a slow job, but it gives a high amount of control.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: meaculpaUIO]
#26379089 - 12/13/19 11:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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TP or just boil the heat out of it? lol
and wipe off your popcorn?
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26380911 - 12/14/19 08:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The verm i have doesn't seem to do much for getting rid of excess water i think its to fine of a grade 4 cups wasnt even enough to get my moisture content correct
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: insutama]
#26381681 - 12/14/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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4 cups is only 1qt. I always use 2qt-ish in my mix.
try adding another 4 cups.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: staytrippy420]
#26381713 - 12/14/19 04:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm with most in regards to verm. It's a great equalizer for overly wet grains and smaller bulk subs. For larger bulk subs an old pillow case and a spin cycle through the washing machine can works wonders. Sounds funny I know but it works great.
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Re: Squeezing out access water bulk substrate [Re: Darkslide]
#26384189 - 12/15/19 09:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ya maybe i just needed more verm i ended up squeezing all the excess out but next time ill try more verm first
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