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Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue
    #26375347 - 12/11/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone here ventured into this realm before?

Been considering acquiring some rue for awhile, both to experience its effects on its own and also to do some oral DMT.

Does it make the smoked experience more intense? That seems impossible, but I guess so does the DMT experience itself, so it's  hard to rule anything out with these things. Longer duration seems more likely, which is daunting but certainly intriguing.

I plan on spending an entire night with smoked DMT in a couple weeks, considering whether to add some rue to the mix or not


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: feevers]
    #26375384 - 12/11/19 03:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Just realized I posted this to the pub... too many tabs open :crazy2:

Could a mod please move this to TPE?


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26375754 - 12/11/19 06:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I've done it many times, it's smoother and deeper than plain FB. Not more intense.

I prefer changa still, but it's a nice way to fly with extended duration. Don't be scared, it's much less intimidating than straight up xtal.


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue [could a mod pls move?] (moved) [Re: feevers]
    #26375760 - 12/11/19 06:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: Northerner]
    #26375798 - 12/11/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I've done it many times, it's smoother and deeper than plain FB. Not more intense.

I prefer changa still, but it's a nice way to fly with extended duration. Don't be scared, it's much less intimidating than straight up xtal.




Smoother sounds nice. That's why I prefer doing a small dose of mushroom when I plan on smoking DMT, much less jarring and easier to integrate things.

Do you use caapi/other harmalas in your changa? I know a lot of people just use mullien and other herbs with no maoi

What really interests me though is getting the full smoked experience... but longer.


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: Northerner] * 2
    #26375808 - 12/11/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it can still make a solid difference with smoked. Just make sure to take it 30-45~ minutes in advance so the rue has time to kick in.

I tried dabbing 50mg once after eating around 200-300mg of harmalas, it was like a cosmic bitch slap. Closest I've been to breaking through, but it felt like I was about to have a heart attack.

I'd recommend more building up to it, smoking a bit at a time and increasing your rue dosage over time.

Also very worth trying oral DMT, it might seem crazy and intimidating but start with a lower 20-30mg dose and you might be surprised how smooth it is. It doesn't have the intense rush like smoked, has a more smooth and drawn out effect sort of like mushrooms. And the length can be altered by the harmala dose, a lighter dose might only last for 3-5~ hours like a short shroom trip while a larger harmala dose might make things last 8+ hours especially if you redose harmalas partway through.

Have only tried it a few times but the most euphoric experience I've ever had by far was oral dmt, started doing some breathing meditation partway through and it was like I could feel the oxygen flowing throughout my body cell by cell. Every breath felt like a full body orgasm as my cells rejoiced at the oxygen flowing through them :crazy2: Haven't tried it in years though sadly.


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: feevers]
    #26375821 - 12/11/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I use Rue or Caapi extract in my changas, without it it's just enhanced leaf. Not the real McCoy.

Maybe, as a tester, you could make some changa and try that. It's similar but not with the extra extended duration. Maybe 20 mins flight time, 20 mins plateau, 20 mins coming down. Give you a bit of a feel for it before you commit to larger journey times.


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: musiclover420]
    #26375830 - 12/11/19 07:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I tried dabbing 50mg once after eating around 200-300mg of harmalas, it was like a cosmic bitch slap.
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Lol, I see you you're not a person on half measures.  :lol:


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: musiclover420]
    #26375858 - 12/11/19 07:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes it can still make a solid difference with smoked. Just make sure to take it 30-45~ minutes in advance so the rue has time to kick in.

I tried dabbing 50mg once after eating around 200-300mg of harmalas, it was like a cosmic bitch slap. Closest I've been to breaking through, but it felt like I was about to have a heart attack.

I'd recommend more building up to it, smoking a bit at a time and increasing your rue dosage over time.

Also very worth trying oral DMT, it might seem crazy and intimidating but start with a lower 20-30mg dose and you might be surprised how smooth it is. It doesn't have the intense rush like smoked, has a more smooth and drawn out effect sort of like mushrooms. And the length can be altered by the harmala dose, a lighter dose might only last for 3-5~ hours like a short shroom trip while a larger harmala dose might make things last 8+ hours especially if you redose harmalas partway through.

Have only tried it a few times but the most euphoric experience I've ever had by far was oral dmt, started doing some breathing meditation partway through and it was like I could feel the oxygen flowing throughout my body cell by cell. Every breath felt like a full body orgasm as my cells rejoiced at the oxygen flowing through them :crazy2: Haven't tried it in years though sadly.




Looking forward to experimenting with oral DMT a lot :yesnod:. That's next month though.

200-300mg sounds like a bunch, I was thinking like 100mg of ground rue seeds 45min before smoking. Still have a lot of research to do though, just really started thinking about it today. For me it wouldn't be a DMT trip without thinking I was going to die of a heart attack... it quickly fades away once things get really rolling though.

So you've never broken through fully?


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26375866 - 12/11/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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feevers said:
Anyone here ventured into this realm before?

Been considering acquiring some rue for awhile, both to experience its effects on its own and also to do some oral DMT.

Does it make the smoked experience more intense? That seems impossible, but I guess so does the DMT experience itself, so it's  hard to rule anything out with these things. Longer duration seems more likely, which is daunting but certainly intriguing.

I plan on spending an entire night with smoked DMT in a couple weeks, considering whether to add some rue to the mix or not





Never tried it but smoking it on mushrooms is true synergy. Makes the DMT last longer, easier to remember AND less frightening/no jitters.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: Northerner]
    #26375879 - 12/11/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I use Rue or Caapi extract in my changas, without it it's just enhanced leaf. Not the real McCoy.

Maybe, as a tester, you could make some changa and try that. It's similar but not with the extra extended duration. Maybe 20 mins flight time, 20 mins plateau, 20 mins coming down. Give you a bit of a feel for it before you commit to larger journey times.




Extract? Interesting, I always thought people just used dried cappi leaves. Changa has interested me for a while, it's on my list now. I'd say it'll be a good prep for oral maoi + smoked DMT, but idk how much any one experience really prepares you for the next

Maybe I'll cover all bases and take rue orally then smoke a caapi changa blend :rocket:


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26376027 - 12/11/19 08:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The goodies in Caapi is in the old thick vine. That's why they cook Aya for so long, to leech it out.

Taking rue orally then smoking freebase is much the same effect, just lasts longer than changa.


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Re: Smoking DMT while on Syrian Rue (or other MAOI) [Re: feevers] * 2
    #26376181 - 12/11/19 10:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Looking forward to experimenting with oral DMT a lot :yesnod:. That's next month though.

200-300mg sounds like a bunch, I was thinking like 100mg of ground rue seeds 45min before smoking. Still have a lot of research to do though, just really started thinking about it today. For me it wouldn't be a DMT trip without thinking I was going to die of a heart attack... it quickly fades away once things get really rolling though.





I'm talking pure harmine/harmaline hcl, dosage varies person to person but 150-200mg~ is probably standard/medium strength. Under 100mg and it might not be enough for much MAOI effect, unless you are on the sensitive side. Of course it's always smart to start low and work up to larger doses.

With rue seeds 3-4g~ is more standard, potency also varies a lot though so it might take more or less especially for different people. The raw seeds are more likely to cause nausea but it's mainly a problem with higher doses or weak stomachs.

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So you've never broken through fully?




Not exactly, I've had some strong experiences but no full on break through from DMT. Did black out on mushrooms once and the parts I remember seem like a breakthrough, dissolved into pure energy and ended up in a realm of pure white positive light/energy. But it was a massive overload and I can only hazily recall parts.

DMT tends to more give me "visions". For example once I smoked some on a hike with some friends and saw a clear mental image of a psilocybe mushroom patch. It looked so real that it could have been nearby in the woods, in fact I still have a feeling it might have been since it was mushroom season :lol:

Once on oral DMT I felt like I was on the verge of being sucked into a portal :lol: was smoking a bunch of joints with a friend and closed my eyes briefly, saw a strange vortex/wormhole and almost lost awareness of my surroundings while standing up. But then my friend passed a joint back and it snapped me back to reality. Another time I saw some fairly clear imagery of Egypt and the pyramids, as well as a bunch of eerily prophetic imagery about human kinds past and future which concluded with Terminator like imagery of a city on fire ravaged by war machines :eek: It felt like seeing a possible future if humanity doesn't overcome our greed/hate. It really feels like the universe is speaking to you on tryptamines sometimes.


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I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



Edited by musiclover420 (12/11/19 10:35 PM)


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