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insutama
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Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ?
#26375353 - 12/11/19 03:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just wondering how people measure the water for the bucket TEK would you measure the 4L water after its boiling to count for evaporation or do you measure the 4L of water then boil it and then pour it in
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26375363 - 12/11/19 03:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter the difference is really small not even 4% volume change from ice cold water to boiling
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26375368 - 12/11/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I measure before boiling because measure scalding hot water is potentially dangerous. If you’re worried about losing some to evaporation just add a little bit more to account for it.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: dont trust midgets]
#26375391 - 12/11/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay cool thats the way i have been doing it im actually trying bods bucket tek for the first time right now im sick of damions5050 bucket tek always been over field capacity so im trying just coir and multiplying the coir weight X 5 but i was just unsure if i was doing it right by measuring the water first thanks guys
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: dont trust midgets]
#26375392 - 12/11/19 04:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I measure before.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: HeadyHempWraps]
#26375480 - 12/11/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just fill my Pressure Cooker half way, bring it to a boil and PC it for 30min. I literally just fill the buckets with boiling water and don't measure the water. You can just squeeze till you get perfect field capacity, and get rid off the excess water. Really you need to just measure the dry ingredients for bucket tek.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: N0Tmushroom2THINK]
#26375497 - 12/11/19 04:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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N0Tmushroom2THINK said: You can just squeeze till you get perfect field capacity, and get rid off the excess water.
This is also how you get the kung fu grip
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: san pedro guy]
#26375518 - 12/11/19 04:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If i can shoot for not having to squeeze out the access water every time it would make my life much easier thou lol
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26375523 - 12/11/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea fuck squeezing lol
If you have spare verm you can add that too. It will absorb a little moisture and give you more total sub!
I usually just get it wet enough that it’s not dusty
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: san pedro guy]
#26375624 - 12/11/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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well my scale must be broken because i did 3.5L of water for what my scale showed as 700 grams of coir and when i went to mix it after a hour when i squeezed it a crap load of water streamed out so i added 4 cups of verm and mixed it ill check it again tomorrow but most likely ill be squeezing. Time for a new scale
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26375650 - 12/11/19 05:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always use inocuole’s coir tek and it always gets me to perfect field capacity.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: dont trust midgets]
#26375653 - 12/11/19 05:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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dont trust midgets said: I always use inocuole’s coir tek and it always gets me to perfect field capacity.
could you link me to that TEK plz
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26375669 - 12/11/19 06:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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insutama said:
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dont trust midgets said: I always use inocuole’s coir tek and it always gets me to perfect field capacity.
could you link me to that TEK plz
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22072628
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: prettyhatemachine]
#26375750 - 12/11/19 06:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26377935 - 12/12/19 07:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You may be overthinking it...
Ingredients for CVG: One brick of coir (approx 650g) 2 qts verm 3 cups gypsum 4 to 5.25 qts boiling water
You're simply pasteurizing the coir - getting it hot enough for a certain amount of time to kill off most of the bad stuff. Coir isn't a very suitable place for most stuff to grow anyway so it's just knocking back what may already be in there.
Put the 4 qts boiling hot water in there and let it "bake" for 90 min - maybe wrap a towel or heavy blanket around it to help insulate. Set and forget. When you're done thoroughly mix and test. You may need to add a bit more water to it. Since you boiled over 5.25 qts of water it's already good to go - you can just add some of that (now cooler) water remaining to get to field capacity. Add a splash or two at a time, mix well, and test.
If 4 qts water was too much (after some good mixing of ingredients) and you're over field capacity, then just add in some verm and mix in and re-test for field capacity. A little goes a decent way so I would add about a half quart of verm and then re-test.
Each brick of coir will weigh slightly differently. Your verm is different than my verm. Your enviromnment is different than mine. Doesn't matter. Just use the base recipe and then add verm or water to get to where you need. Done and done. Making coir is like cooking and not baking. Use the base recipe and then tweak until it's where you want it. No need to be exact.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: 345536345]
#26377949 - 12/12/19 07:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used 3.5L of boiling water with a brick of coir and it was way over field capacity so i added 4 cups of verm which happened to be fine verm so it didn't really absorb much water and still needed to squeeze a bit of water out to get to field capacity next time im gonna try 3L of water with 1 brick see how that goes
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: insutama]
#26378122 - 12/12/19 09:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok maybe i'm just crazy, but ive done the bucket tek like 10x and it worked twice. Its not a good tek. better to just put it in a turkey oven bag on the stove in some water.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: sublimaez]
#26378179 - 12/12/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I measure out 3.5L before boil.
The weight of my bricks are inconsistent tho so I add verm as needed to dial in field capacity. Usually around 2L
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26378272 - 12/12/19 11:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I liked the weight method and if anything found it to be on the dry side. You may want to weigh your water to double check measurement accuracy. Also is it possible you forgot to zero the vessel you weighed the coir in? Maybe you can recalibrate the scale instead of replacing it.
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Re: Bucket tek messuring water before or after its boiling ? [Re: 345536345]
#26378380 - 12/13/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
345536345 said: You may be overthinking it...
Ingredients for CVG: One brick of coir (approx 650g) 2 qts verm 3 cups gypsum 4 to 5.25 qts boiling water
You're simply pasteurizing the coir - getting it hot enough for a certain amount of time to kill off most of the bad stuff. Coir isn't a very suitable place for most stuff to grow anyway so it's just knocking back what may already be in there.
Put the 4 qts boiling hot water in there and let it "bake" for 90 min - maybe wrap a towel or heavy blanket around it to help insulate. Set and forget. When you're done thoroughly mix and test. You may need to add a bit more water to it. Since you boiled over 5.25 qts of water it's already good to go - you can just add some of that (now cooler) water remaining to get to field capacity. Add a splash or two at a time, mix well, and test.
If 4 qts water was too much (after some good mixing of ingredients) and you're over field capacity, then just add in some verm and mix in and re-test for field capacity. A little goes a decent way so I would add about a half quart of verm and then re-test.
Each brick of coir will weigh slightly differently. Your verm is different than my verm. Your enviromnment is different than mine. Doesn't matter. Just use the base recipe and then add verm or water to get to where you need. Done and done. Making coir is like cooking and not baking. Use the base recipe and then tweak until it's where you want it. No need to be exact.

That seems like a LOT of gypsum for one brick of coir.
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