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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26388719 - 12/18/19 01:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The way you PC them I'm sure they will also get some pooling, why you didn't use the quart mason jars to pc them vertically at least :tongue:? That way you would have much less condensation i believe due to vertical heat transfer between the HG petris. The idea is to stack them up before and after the PC + the insulation of the large container.

I also turn on the sterilizer on high, I only bring from 15 psi to 0 psi slowly, after reaching to 0 i also wait a little more time 1 hr or so for the PC to cool a little bit yet not that much so the agar still hot enough to be liquid, this I BELIEVE helps to reduce the huge temp differential between the room where you will cool the large container and the inside temp of the large container.

Letting the PC to cool off completely will result in more condensation and pooling, you still have to take the large container off the PC while the agar still hot.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26388813 - 12/18/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Filled all my quarts with grain. Pc was completely cool.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26389348 - 12/18/19 06:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

First try. This plate had the least condensation. I’d say easier than a pasty plate due to the size and ease of sight. Had to upgrade my light game tonight so I could see better.



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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26389848 - 12/19/19 12:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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First try. This plate had the least condensation. I’d say easier than a pasty plate due to the size and ease of sight. Had to upgrade my light game tonight so I could see better.






:thumbup: Awesome! I'm going to do the same, use tape on the sides to label them. Easier to take off the tape than to wash the marker ink with alcohol. 

Currently mine look like this



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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26391454 - 12/19/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

2nd try.





They are cooking now. I had to borrow the wife’s drinking glasses. I filled all mine with grain. Shhhhh


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26391469 - 12/19/19 08:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Try to take them off the PC while they still hot and stack them up and cover them with Some T shirt or something. The glass of hot water on top of the top petri isn't a bad idea either.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26391509 - 12/19/19 09:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I took em off the pc while hot. lots of condensation. I’m leaving them be for now. Bed time.



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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26391822 - 12/20/19 03:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Nice, this is cool! I was going to order a big box of petris again, but they're pricey and its a lot of plastic to throw away. I've also never tried no pour, now I want to.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26393730 - 12/21/19 08:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok this is in order of the plates being stacked top to bottom from left to right. The bottom 4 had almost no condensation. I think I may place something on the top of the top plate on the next run. Maybe pint jar lid or something.



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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26393771 - 12/21/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Good results! The higher you stack them the better. Hot glass of water seems like a good idea i will try that as well. Also, next time try taking the mason jars off the PC 1 hr after it reaches 0 psi, they should still be hot enough to be liquid yet there would be less temp differential than lets say taking them off as soon as the PC reaches to 0 psi, resulting in less condensation I BELIEVE.... at least that is how i did It in the first page of this thread.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26394094 - 12/21/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That is what I did. It was about an hour after pc reached 0. It was still warm not hot I should have said.

Have you tried wrapping any in foil or anything like that?


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26394175 - 12/21/19 03:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

oh ok i see maybe because my PC is bigger it takes more time to cool than yours. I bought an infrared thermometer gun with the intention to measure that temp exactly and share it but i found that the gun doesn't work well or is broken. When i point at my PC at 17 psi it says is at 85°F, i will have to return it i guess.

No, i haven't tried to wrap them with foil, since the nutcracker large container that i use provides better insulation than foil and allows me to stack them up vertically before and after sterilization :shrug: feel free to experiment tho! :cookiemonster: idk if foil would allow structural heat transfer between containers, unless the foil that covers the bottom and the top of the container gets really flat without getting bulgy, if it gets too bulgy it will simply stop heat transfer i guess. I'm not a big fan of foil, the less foil i use the better, with the foil that i reuse for the lids of mason jars and media bottles is enough, adding another use case for foil in this hobby is a no no for me and also it adds more work.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26394446 - 12/21/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you could put them in a spawn bag...might need a little support to keep them upright, but...


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26394469 - 12/21/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Mr. Alien!

No luck to pouring agar in glovebox. See this perfect for my erroneous


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: hummingbird]
    #26394548 - 12/21/19 07:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks Mr. Alien!

No luck to pouring agar in glovebox. See this perfect for my erroneous




Glovebox or SAB? If the gloves are attached they will suck dirty air in when you move your hands. Also, if you don't have good sterile technique even with these plates you will get contaminations when opening the plate or or when doing agar to grain transfers. Get better at sterile technique :smile:.

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Maybe you could put them in a spawn bag...might need a little support to keep them upright, but...




I've tried but is a mess and hard to keep them upright, i wouldn't recommend.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26401552 - 12/26/19 12:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So I’m liking the plates. But I did notice that the condensation buildup won’t dissipate after a few days and I’m getting some pooling in plates. I loosened the lids on those plates but it looks the same. I may redo half the plates I cooked. I just got some of the quart pp5s to use.

It’s actually the 2nd batch of plates that I did in purple with less condensation that have the pooling.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: eatyualive]
    #26401783 - 12/26/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I also noticed some pooling and condensation on my first tests but then i completely manage to get results like these





No pooling or condensation. If i could do it, then is totally possible :grin:

The thing is that you need to follow the tek as close as possible because i already gone through that, EDIT: also you only have 8 plates right? You need at least 16 plates to stack them up higher resulting in less condensation. I don't have much pictures but these that i found was one of the first tests:



And yeah, if you don't have the perfect conditions, the plates are susceptible to pooling or condensation. I only have 16 plates so far, I'm still waiting for the other 100 HG plates to arrive, when they get here i will make a video or something. But the key is to stack them before and after sterilization and use large containers as insulators, wait the right time to pull them out of the PC also helps. I hate that i don't have plates to document another batch, they are taking too long to arrive.


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405465 - 12/28/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is sikk going to order a few and see how I like em

I've been wanting to find a 4oz screw top pp5 container for time now. I think you might have found the holy grail!
Thanks for sharing :thumbup:


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #26405562 - 12/29/19 12:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I had an idea regarding the condensation issue. I wont be able to try it for awhile myself, but maybe its worth the effort for someone getting ready to do a cook to give it a go.

I think the condensation has to do with the top of the plate cooling faster than the bottom of the plate. Im thinking a wet towel placed as a top layer in the PC will add some thermal mass to the stack, slow cooling on the top of the dishes, and minimize or eliminate the pooling/condensation.

Might work....might be Im a bit cronked...


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Re: Alien's Holy Grail No pour Agar unmodified containers. [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26405577 - 12/29/19 01:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

These large containers are made from PP and they have the right size, completely cylindrical and cheap.

https://www.amazon.com/Storage-Container-Spaghetti-Airtight-Cookies/dp/B07L7P23DC/ref=sr_1_112?crid=192L2G4D7VRS&keywords=spaghetti+noodle+container&qid=1577606077&sprefix=spage,aps,400&sr=8-112&th=1

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I had an idea regarding the condensation issue. I wont be able to try it for awhile myself, but maybe its worth the effort for someone getting ready to do a cook to give it a go.

I think the condensation has to do with the top of the plate cooling faster than the bottom of the plate. Im thinking a wet towel placed as a top layer in the PC will add some thermal mass to the stack, slow cooling on the top of the dishes, and minimize or eliminate the pooling/condensation.

Might work....might be Im a bit cronked...




:thinker:

I'm dying for the amazon package to arrive. I ordered around 170 holy grail plates. But the package will arrive between January 5 to Janaury 20. I will make a video so you all can see the whole process. The wet towel is a creative idea.

Make sense, if you see this picture from the OP:



These 13 plates were stacked vertically and they didn't have condensation at the top, no pooling either. But, the majority of the stack, the only part where it has condensation is on the sides, there is no thermal mass structural contact on the sides, that's why they get condensation there, so your theory makes sense.. I actually forgot to mention in the OP that i also unscrew the lid of all the stack after they cooled completely, that helps to clear out the condensation on the sides with time.


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